In Germany, dozens of people are in 'preventive detention' because they might otherwise engage in climate protests

being out of reach of nazis or conservative christians can increase safety and well-being

Eh, I don't expect random tourists to be locked up by the fascists, nor do I necessarily expect the not-quite-fascists to distance themselves from the fascists, just from losses in the tourism industry.

I'm mostly just saying, there's tons of places you could be traveling to and "drinking beer with fascists" isn't quite as attractive anymore.

Hurt the bavarian economy.

Maybe they should arrest everyone that might protest against this before they arrest the other people that might protest against climate change. But then people might protest against that too. I guess everyone is under arrest! You're all under arrest. Get in the hole!

Actually, Bavaria has a 2 month limit. Schleswig-Holstein is the one with no limit.

Nope, it's actually only that the police has reason to believe that they might commit a crime.

No need for them to be prior offenders or anything. The police can arrest anyone at any time if they believe you might commit a crime. And even comparatively minor things like blocking traffic counts.

but that's not the case here

But this is in fact how the police argues. Climate protests are terror attacks (since they disrupt traffic) and therefore this is justified.

Pretty sure the Bundesverfassungsgericht (basically our supreme court) will shut this practice down – just like all the other times Bavarian laws have been ruled unconstitutional – but Bavaria doesn't care. They scrap the law and replace it with a similar unconstitutional version and wait 2 years until the Bundesverfassungsgericht rules it unconstitutional and so on.

But Munich

But yeah.

Additional Context: The state government of Bavaria (and several others around that same period, with similar ideas) passed a controversial reform of police laws in 2017-2018 (It was polemically called "The strictest police law since 1945").

It included changes such as:

• increased allowance of use of personal data by the police forces.

• allowing the police to openly film and photograph people participating in public gatherings.

• allowing the police to infringe on postal secrecy and to confiscate mail without a person's knowledge. (if given permission by the courts)

• allowing the use of police spies. Including even entering people's homes if given permission.

As well as making previous restrictions such as on "probable danger" way more lax.

It's not a slippery slope fallacy, if the slope is actually slippery.

Bad actors are everywhere and are especially drawn to positions of power (normal people see life-changing power over others as a major responsability, hence a burden).

This is why you limit power concentration on any single individual or organisation, have checks-and-balances on power and have higher demands of transparency and reporting one those with power than on run-of-the-mill citizens.

Of course the assholes drawn to power will do everything they can to subvert, nullify, remove or bypass those mechanisms and the reasons why we see right here in how these people (never forget, organisations are not sentient: it's always people making decisions) because they could choose to use these kind of laws that break the spirit of the Rule Of Law in democracies - which we were told were for use against terrorists (a very specific type of mass murder) - against demonstrators who have not even committed an actual crime and whose history indicated that the biggest crime the would ever commit would be mild property damage, something nowhere near the range of actual murder, much less mass murder.

In Canada I'm very wary of the current trial against the leaders of the Freedom Convoy for this reason. Popular sentiment at the time of their protest was that they were bad for blocking the road, and what comes from this trial could set precedent that could be used to criminalize climate and social justice protests in the future.

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this some kind of deep fried 10k times folded turbo meming that wouldn't even be allowed on the autobahn.

I know.

I was just stretching the application of the emoji to summarize bad futuristic outcomes because there isn't a Minority Report related emoji yet.

It's not the cause, it's the tactics. Throwing people in jail before they actually do anything is a classic hallmark of tyranny.

I mean, Nazis have a consistent record of being everything anti human and good personified. Capitalists want oil production to continue, they'll fund fascists to be their force to ensure it goes uninterrupted

"Become"? No. It just has been for lone one of their indicative "modern" traits.

More pro-fascism

Yeah, but there's a solution for that.

Ah yes, protesting destruction of the environment and terrorism killing thousands, definitely equivalent acts

Unironically would be an awful world if people could be arrested for suspicion of wanting to potentially someday do a crime

This is sort of a reverse godwin.

Didn't they try twice? We we're back to back World War champs for nothing.

No, but we have this thing called the 6th amendment that lays out the minimum requirements for prosecution. (known as due process). Pre-crime clearly breaks those minimums.

well, you have a history of authoritarianism and warrantless detention in many, many European countries, the US is all entirely subject to the US constitution which explicitly forbids warrantless searches, detention absent due process and things like that. It has a few blind spots, and the rules are broken, but generally can be corrected and the culprits prosecuted. Detention in Germany for example without a jury trial and evidence of illegal activity is perfectly legal, as it is in the UK and almost every other European country so long as it protects the general welfare or some other such broad meaningless condition.