Police discover 80 Russian torture chambers in Ukraine

Fuck elon musk for not allowing Ukraine to dismantle those war machines providing cover for this type of diabolical behavior to continue.
- Elon, like any other conservative sub-human, will always side with oppressors. Always.
  
  conservative sub-human
  Hey man. There's no need for that
  Very redundant
  
  Now now. You don't want the Musk rats attacking you.
- Not sure what Elons reasoning is here, but i guess if it wasnt for Starlink, communication would have collapsed in the first week.
- You're still relying on old information. He clarified this. Starlink was never active over crimea. He was asked to activate it and said no as that was part of the restrictions on the deployment and would have been breaking the terms that clarified it as an act of war from the west.
  He didn't shut them off. Access was never active in that region.
  
  "Raytheon never deactivated their missiles, they just don't work over the target."
  That's deactivating them dummy. Where do you think Ukraine is going with their Starlinks? Disneyland?
  
  You do know those starlinks move over the planets surface, right?
  The only way to not have them active over a certain area (excluding the poles) is by deactivating them when they fly over.
  Either Elmo doesn't know how his own planet wide network works, or he is lying.

Oh boyyyy can't wait to hear from the Tankies going NUH UH THOSE ARE FAKE AND/OR RUN BY UKRAINIANS ON RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PEOPLE THIS IS EVIDENCE OF UKRAINIANS COMMITTING GENOCIDE OR ITS THE CIA COMRADE PUTIN WOULD NEVER DO THIS
SOURCE: TRUST ME BRO
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- I doubt there are stupid enough people who would deny Putin's crimes.
  I'm not surprised given that even drafted are tortured in army, or sledgehammer thing when Ukraine exchanged POWs.
  COMRADE PUTIN WOULD NEVER DO THIS
  If militant gang pensioner did it Russia with chemical weapon or in Britan, he sure will do it again.
- No one would post if there were Ukrainian torture chambers, let's be honest
- No, the tankies are also most definitely swallowing up the same bullshit because they believe Russia and China to be freer states than the rest of the world.
  
  You haven't been paying too much attention then. The tankies are vomiting the same pro-putin propaganda as the right-wing fascists. The right-wing fascists want to suck Putin's dick because he hates gays and loves economic corruption. The tankies want to suck Putin's dick because they have some kind of delusion that modern Russia is a communist country and believe west=bad so anything westerners hate must be good.
  
  There are a lot of pro-putin (and other shitty regime) tankies, that's really my problem with them. If they were just militant communist types I wouldn't have too much of an issue with them, I may not agree with them, but I'd at least understand their position, maybe even be somewhat sympathetic in some cases.
  When you dig into their reasoning, it's usually something like they support them because they're also against the US/NATO/the west, sort of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" kind of deal, but that argument doesn't really hold water for me, throwing your lot in with someone pulling the kinds of shit Putin does is totally indefensible, even if your plan is to ultimately turn on them after you've successfully toppled the west or whatever, you've still been supporting or at least turning a blind eye to some pretty horrific shit.
  
  tankies and extreme conservatives are the same kind of stupid and both deserve mockery
  
  Tankies and conservatists do not differ that much in practice. They superficially claim to have different philosophies, but that's pretty much it.
  
  fascist alignment happens on the left - rarely, but it does. And when it does, they are very LOUD, and they unironically believe that ukraine was genociding russians.
- I'm not a Russia or Putin Stan but this isn't evidence of anything. A Ukrainian blog stating the Ukrainian police found 80 places the Russians used to allegedly hold and torture civilians? The article offers nothing but a statement as evidence this happened. The only photo in the blog post is a room with what looks like a mattress and clothes.
  I'm sure the Russians are doing fucked up shit. I'm pretty tired of the pro-ukraine take.

And that is why I am against forcing Ukraine to accept lost territory. If you let russia keep territory it has currently occupied, they will get away with all the torture, killing and abduction of civilians.
- I thought you were against it back when Putin ordered Navalny
- Russians have a history of doing this. And russians also have a history of having useful stooges spreading "both-sides-ism" and similar nonsense. What are you?
  
  I've read this about five times and I still don't understand what you're getting at.
  Are you accusing OP of being a Russian shill because I don't see where your getting that from.

It's so sad that russians have been so brainwashed to do this to their fellow man.
Literally all they need to do is divert their military to building instead of destroying and Russia would be in a much better place now.
- It's so sad that so many impressionable fools believe this crap.
  
  Given what happened in Bucha and the constant shelling and targeted attacks on civilians, this is entirely believable. Whether this story is true or not is another matter and it should be verified, but it wouldn't be surprising.

This is a really misleading title if it's just grouping places where people were imprisoned with places people were actually tortured. There's obviously a massive difference. This seems like the original article in Ukrainian: https://mvs.gov.ua/news/pid-cas-zustrici-iz-specialnoiu-dopovidackoiu-oon-z-pitan-tortur-katerina-pavlicenko-povidomila-pro-viiavlennia-v-ukrayini-80-rosiiskix-kativen
Are they actually saying people were definitely tortured in all 80 places there? (Also kind of funny, Google Translate seems to do a better job than the link in OP but it's still not clear to me exactly what they meant.)

Putin chambers

- human what now?
  
  Human chippers
- can you explain?

why would Ukraine have 80 torture chambers for russians? isnt it war crime?

One little question nobody here has asked himself:
How do YOU know that that's true? Can you verify this information for youself? Could the source have any incentive to lie? Have you read any response about this from the other side?
- I think you have a point in that it's very possible government sources are exaggerating about this - I'm not too invested in what the invaders have to say about it though.

I would be extremely careful about these claims from Ukrainian officials. They showed before that they are capable of anything to have attention of mainstream press and western countries. It's propaganda on both ends - Russian and Ukrainian.
- They need to make this moral conflation work because it's the only way their position isn't monstrous and genocide apologia.
  
  (sorry, I'm on a low pixel diet)
  
  Well, yeah...
  
  You're the type of idiot that would be living in Africa during the 1910s holding arguments about whether Germany or the US is better, while refusing to let anyone speak up about them both being awful.
  
  Both propagandas are bad. They obviously want to make themselves look better than the other and the other as bad as it gets. This kind of information war is a basic instrument in wars since Americans invented it.
  To your question that both are bad.. Russian are killing people which is bad but to say that Ukrainian soldiers are good and that Ukrainians were saint nation before the war is a false statement as well.
  From my point of view Ukraine is just a victim of global politics. To blame only Russia for this development is not fair cause Americans pushed them to this.
  When USA attacked Iraq everyone was praising them and not placing sanctions against them even though that all reasons they provided to attack were intentionally falsified. And millions of civilians died and were tortured. But it's middle east so why would west care, right?!
- I would prefer if you kept your propaganda to yourself.
  
  As a matter of fact I don't give a damn what you prefer. 🤣
- Be extremely careful about bad translations