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Mildly Infuriating @lemmy.world

FireWire400 @lemmy.world

1y ago

Updated Edge and it now seems to put a frame with rounded corners around every website

Edit: Looks like you can opt-out of that "new look and feel" pretty easily under the appearance settings but still, whats with putting rounded corners everywhere?

Edit 2: "Explore the web with a softer, more friendly aesthetic featuring rounded corners [..] Designed to complement your operating system, whether on Windows 11, MacOS, or Linux." The fuck does that mean? Windows 11 fair enough but most Linux distros don't look like that at all.

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No corner. Only Edge.
- Yeah there goes my coffee ...
- This made me chuckle more than I’d like to admit.

Wha... Why are you using Edge?
I'm so confused
- I mainly use Firefox but have Edge to test website with, can't really uninstall it anyway.
  
  Alright. This guy's story checks out. Let'em through.
  
  Well, I managed to uninstall it fully through Safe Mode and regedit but that made the fingerprint reader stop working. (It’s my sister's laprop, okay? I use Mint on mine.)
  
  It is possible to remove it, needs a bit of work and running scripts as admin to do it but you can figure out if you look it up. I can't remember how I did it and I don't use windows anymore but first page results should bring it up.
  
  not with that attitude you can't. (C'mon. You know you wanna convert to linux.)
  
  Why not just use Ungoogled Chromium for your tests? It's the same browser anyway, just without the spyware.
  
  You can...
- Much to the chagrin of a large portion of lemmy users Edge is not actually a bad browser. If you're using a chromium based browser anyway there's really nothing worse about edge than the other options. Obviously not talking about Firefox here.
  
  Exactly. It's my Chrome browser of choice. I use Firefox virtually all the time, but if I need somethiung that works in the cases where non-chromium does not, I use Edge. It's a fast, its already installed so no extra fuss, it has the best vertical tab implementation that really should be standard for every single browser.
  
  Chagrin. When your step father Steve tells everyone in your school that you're quote: as smooth as a seals behind down there... much to your chagrin.
  Chagrin.
  
  I chose edge over chrome nowadays. But I'm still a firefox man. The AI help chat thingemejig of edge is also pretty okay.
- Edge is really the best browser for Windows users with low end PCs.
  
  pretty much because like IE, when using Windows part of it runs in the background whether you like it or not.
- One browser to actually use and one without anything to test shit on
- The experience in the enterprise as well as the management of it make sense for any company who are a m365 shop. Native seamless single sign on with corporate identities, along with syncing the browser make it a no brained for me to use for work. For personal stuff though I stick with Firefox.
- It got way better in the past few years. I think everybody hates it, because the internet explorer was that slow. So it just stayed in our minds that the Microsoft browser sucked.
  
  It still sucks, but in a different way.
  
  No. It sucks because it's Chromium.
- I have a few sites that do not work on FF. I have to use it sometimes.
- Got stuff at work (Microsoft services, for the record) that'll work in Edge or Chrome, but not entirely in Firefox (gee, wonder why)

Sure they can add rounded corners but can they fix this mess?
- MicmosHoefteEdgehat my beloved <3
- It's like they somehow overcentered a div. I didn't even know it was possible. They used
  display: 'crunch'
  in their CSS.
  
  Maybe their devs did their work in Firefox rofl

I gotta say I love that Microsoft has the self confidence to think that there are people who use edge on Linux.
- There are. It was surprising to me but apparently there is a decent number of people who use edge on Linux.
  
  I use it to access bing chat.
  Firefox for everything else
- Is there even a version of edge for Linux??
  
  Yea.
  It's reskinned chromium. You can google it if you want. One of the top links is a .deb for me (I am running debian).
- I do. It's more secure than any other alternative. Not private, but really, really secure.
  
  How is Edge secure in any way? It isn’t even open source & and both Google (Chromium) and Microsoft add their code to it, so even if Chromium were more secure than Firefox, you could just normal Chromium, couldn’t you?

Softer...like they just wanted to take the edge off.
I'll see myself out now.
- i wish they would take the edge off my computer
- One of my son's steam buddies is nicknamed Microsoft edging. I think it's pretty funny, not sure my son gets it... (He's 15 though, so it won't be long)

As it's Microsoft, you can be pretty sure the option to turn off the new look and feel will be removed in 6 months
- Or half finished and left in there for decades
  
  It could even be both, if you really think about it

Smartphones: Rounded everything, nobody actually likes it. Edge:
- Just because a few people on Reddit and Lemmy don't like a thing, doesn't mean that "nobody" likes it.
  
  I was being hyperbolic. In the billions of people who inhabit this earth, I bet there's like two or three who genuinely like it. But they are crazy, and their opinions are wrong.

That way you can't cut yourself on the sharp edges

I... Kind of like it?
- So you'd say you're not ... ( •_•)>⌐■-■
  ... edgy (⌐■_■)
- I’m almost afraid to admit, but I dig it.
  
  Like I'm not going to use Edge, but it's nice. 😛

Use Linux and Firefox

If you're lucky, it'll follow along with Chrome and start sharing your browser history to advertisers, too!
- Actually, since it’s based off Chromium, I’m pretty sure(don’t quote me on this) that those changes will go downstream into most Chrome-based browsers automatically, unless they take the time to remove it manually.
  
  You're probably right. IMO Chromium should be dropped wherever possible.
  
  Brave at least claims to be an actual fork of chromium, they cherry pick upstream apparently. It's still full of crypto bs, so choose your poison.

Use Firefox

I've noticed that there's a shift in UI design currently back to the 2000s style of round UI design, which eventually moved out of the way for nice straight crisp corners when we shifted from CRTs to LCDs which could render pixel perfect images at last.
We never limited the viewport on a browser of course, that's madness. But just look at XP's bubbly design and interfaces of the time vs Win8/10's very angular, clean crisp interface.
I do hope we're not descending back into an age of curves, I'm not a fan. But styles come and go every few decades, and maybe younger people today are ready to experience their "age of curves" for the first time?
- I wish cars stopped being curvy and went back to rectangle lights and straight lines
- It might just be down to nostalgia, especially when it comes to the early 2000s Windows XP style aesthetic. Just think about all the Vaporwave stuff (although that seems to be mostly late-90s-ish).
  I'm more of a Windows Aero fan, myself. Frutiger Aero in general has a very dystopian vibe for me but I'm a sucker for transparency.
  
  I miss integrated transparency

I sort of understand rounding outside edges for aesthetics since there's nothing lost and it might be easier as a target for resizing, but inside corners are just stupid. You're arbitrarily cutting corners out of content for no good reason.
- Also looks a lot better in a multi-window environment, i.e., not your phone.

Guess they're going for the CRT look? Next up, all pages default to 4:3?
- "This website looks best on Microsoft Edge at a resolution of 800x600"
- You're joking, but that's how I unintentionally use the web with Arc Browser. It has rounded corners and an adjustable sidebar of tabs on the ~~right~~ left*. The resulting viewport is ~~tightly~~ approximately* 4:3. Iirc, Edge can also have tabs on the side.
- When you close a tab everything shrinks to a tiny square and then blinks out of existence.
  If you hold a magnet too close to edge it goes all weird.

Probably to match windows 11 borders
- Remember: less viewport and more whitespace = somehow more ergonomic
  
  I mean you can like or dislike it of course but are you really complaining about a viewport 20 square pixels smaller than normal
  
  Gosh I love scrolling through 7 pages just to read two paragraphs!

They can't even make it consistent. The border radius on the tabs, the URL bar, and the main page are all different.

Edge corners the market!

Counter opinion: I think the rounded corners look nice. And do a good job matching up with the windows 11 aesthetic
- That's perfectly fine. If you like it then more power to you. Everyone is acting like I cursed Microsoft for doing this and that my (internet) life in now meaningless because of this lol.
  The design change itself is ok, I guess. What I don't like is forcing design changes upon users (and just removing the opt-out later on).

Settings -> Appearance -> disable 'Try new look'
- Try
  More like "Enforce"
- Im surprised we get a choice
  
  For now.
- make sure to also click "I don't like the new rounded corners"

I actually like rounded corners but I wouldn't ever touch Edge.
- Edge was fine until they Chromium’d it. I mean, there were always better browsers, but it wasn’t IE-level garbage.
  
  I won't go so far as to call it "fine," but I agree that not being Chromium was the single greatest thing it had going for it.
  
  I would rather use Googles search engine than put up with majore dissatvantages in terms of speed and performance to be able to use Microsofts, never forget how they treated the internet before!

I get we're all old blokes and don't like change, but these rounded corners and UI changes are arguably better. Nothing wrong with a new modern look
- How is it better? Your screen in square. Pages are rectangular

Uh, I use Gnome and rounded corners are all around the gnome apps I use. I wouldn't use Edge, but I'd like to see Chrome have this.
- Edge > Chrome these days

The real mildlyinfuriating part is that they probably got inspired by Arc, a relatively new browser. They already copied how their window splitting works.
Pretty crappy for MS not to have good designers themselves and then copy (often poorly) what one of the small players is doing.
- Have you ever looked at MS’s business plan over their lifetime? This is nothing new.
- Rounded edges have been a trend in UX design for a while now. It's not really a concept that they need to have stolen from anyone else.

I blame Apple for that trend.
It's like 20 years on and the rest of the world is still trying to ape it.

The rounded corners part of Web 2.0 was honestly the worst.

Edge is copying a lot of stuff from the yet-to-be-released-on-Windows arc browser. This is one of them. They seem to have not added the other stuff that interfaces with it like the one window split screen.
- The latest Edge update does have a split screen option.

Nice security feature, you don't know how many people get hurt by those angular corners.

Rounded is the new thing? Aren't YouTube videos also rounded now
- It's not really a new thing but it's something that there's seemingly no real reason for other than it looked good to whoever came up with it?
  
  Rounded corners make sense for phones (cause they provide better protection against falls), but I'll never understand why they would do this to a desktop browser.
  
  Big companies don't make highly visible design decisions like this on a whim... at least most of the time. They probably have research showing that rounded edges are preferred by end users. Maybe less anxiety inducing or something.
  
  other than it looked good to whoever came up with it?
  That's just objectively wrong. Biologically speaking.
  We have pretty much since we are Sapiens preferred rounded everything. Boba and Kiki are a thing.
  The oddity (biologically speaking) is finding sharp edges more appealing whee they offer no considerable advantage...
  When browsing even the least reactive webpage EVER; you won't be needing those 32.5 missing pixels.

I actually like it tbh

A E S T H E T I C S
- Microsoft finally getting on board with Web 2.0.

The text overlap really gives

I remember a version of Chrome in the early days where I feel like they finally got the UI perfect. Of course, it's been changed a hundred times since then. Can't developers just leave well enough alone?
Edit: Within a day of posting this, I started getting pop-ups in Chrome saying something to the effect of "You can change the appearance of Chrome". I changed it alright. I'm using Firefox now.
- Here’s is something I don’t see a lot of people mention. Around the release of Pixel 3XL, Google kinda updated lot of their designs to make that hideous notch look intentional. Chrome Tab Headers were changed too. They got bigger with a lot more padding and rounded to look like the “notch”. They got rid of the notch in their phones, but the chrome tab header design somehow stuck

Oh god, this is going to be the next must-have design for everything, isn't it? Argh.
- It has been for a very long time. It really ramped up when border-radius came to CSS, maybe around 15 years ago now. Every site started using rounded corners as it was much easier than the old approach of using images for it. Then apps started copying it, and now everything has rounded corners.
- it already is border-radius: 12 is already here
- Yep, the latest and greatest from...Mac OS System 6. From 35 years ago. Windows has had roundrect windows from 95 or earlier up until Windows 8.
  That said, I can't think of anything more stupid than rounded corners on monitors/smartphone screens, except for curved edges.

Fuuuuck edge

Might be that this is just part of the Chrome/ium Redesign 2023 that just startet to get published.
- yep, Chrome just redesigned everything to have no square edges anywhere, so I assume this is related.

to help you protect your data
Somehow that bothers me...
- Please update edge to protect your data.
  Protect my data from what?
  From what we're gonna do to it if you dont update edge.

Opera did it, and since opera's always the first to bring any useful featurse, other browsers usually just follow troop.
Opera did it well - if this is edge's attempt and you use that as main browser, I feel sad for ya!
- Maybe read other comments before posting one? I mainly use Firefox, Edge is only for testing purposes. I can't (easily) uninstall it anyways so I might as well use it for something.

Bro I don't understand why would anyone use chromium? Its fucking shit!
- Mozilla can't listen to it's users and Apple only makes Safari available on Apple devices
  
  And Chrome listens to their users?
  
  Microsoft is really known for listening to it's users 🤣🤣🤣

Web 2.0.2.0

Doesn't appear to have been rolled out for all markets (yet), or perhaps they excluded/disabled it for Win10 users. I still have my edged corners with the latest update.
- I'm on Windows 10 as well

I think this was kind of copied of arc browser

I will write an unpopular statement:
I use Microsoft edge even on Linux because it's the only browser that has an option to save temporary downloads in /tmp instead of littering /downloads with unwanted trash. I open 100s of PDFs every day and the behavior of every browser to save in downloads without my consent is infuriating. Firefox allowed this but then they really had to copy the behavior of Google chrome. Reverting to the old behavior requires too many hacks, it's easier to uninstall and use Edge
- But you can just change the default download location to /tmp on firefox. Or you can choose ask me every time and set /tmp as your favorites, then you can reach it with a single click.
  I don't know if this fits your use case
  
  But it's still a workaround, I have to save it and waiting for the save dialog to appear
  It's much easier to just have two buttons, "open" (save in tmp and open) and "save"
  On windows, temp doesn't get cleaned automatically at boot, but edge takes care of that and deletes the file when you close it
- I was explaining to someone in another thread that the only browser that works with the site I have to use for work is Chrome. I can't help it if the Indian contractors made it Chrome-only somehow. I can't use any other browser. Sometimes you're stuck with the shitty option.
  
  Contractually they can't fire you for refusing to give up your human rights. Yes, privacy is a human right.

laughs in Linux
- what does a browser have to do with linux?
  
  yes

How about not using that shitshow?

god that looks ugly

God you poor thing! Are you okay? You'll get through this, don't worry.
- So your take is no one can have an opinion on anything. Got it
  
  What's infuriating about fucking rounded corners on a webpage? Mildly or otherwise.
  Y'all need to learn some coping skills. Jesus.

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