Iranian Engineer Who Protested Forced Hijab Sentenced to 74 Lashes

Nah, the religious fanatics should all just move to a mountain top monastery like they did in ancient times. They'd be much happier there.

Well one of them managed to escape

https://www.youtube.com/@ElectroBOOM

They already are!

Who is going to take them? Every country puts up walls to keep refugees out.

Conservatism is a global plague. Pacifism has never worked to cure this disease. Until the normal people rise up and do the horrific dirty work needed to erase this disease, it will continue to infect and kill.

The cure is not clean, but history has proven that conservatism is a fatal disease when left untreated.

I was heartened to hear about the people keeping up the public opposition of the clerics, beyond knocking off their turbans. I hope that the clerics understand that their time is passing and that they are shaking in their sandals with the very realistic fear that they will continue to get randomly gunned down by the people anytime an opportunity presents it. Fuck theocratic Islam and all other exclusivist religions.

Even the Gulanist movement from Turkey, who likes to put on a friendly face to the western world, is exclusivist -- if pressed, their real opinions come through their strategic friendly face da'wah, e.g., it is not hard to get them to call Sufis (one of the few mystical/not-exclusivist islamic groups) heretics or "not real muslims."

Start by protesting religion in your own country. Religion is bad everywhere. If some crazy groups want to believe in fairies, that's ok, just do it in your home and don't bring it out of there.

What can anyone do to free them?

Arm them.

I think they had a very large effect, hence this pathetic pushback from the govt.

What can anyone do to free them?

The problem is religion. The best way to deconvert people is to show them that you can function without skydaddy. Allah (as a concept) has always been a narcissist, you are nothing without it.

Me personally if I was given the task I would move billions into generating content showing people of Iranian background living normal lives with diet-Islam to no-Islam. From movies and TV, to hiring Instagramers. An ocean of content being pumped into there every year.

This is wrong by an islamic standpoint. Go to reddit with this bs... Life isnt that simple you 🤡

Lashes is for the lucky ones.

The less lucky ones get hanged. And if you think hanged as in a quick drop and neck snap, no. They hang you slowly with a crane so that you suffer more, that is required by Darth vader the ayatollah...

Fuck everything about those religious zealot nut cases

It's the age where in many muslim countries, if you say something even mildly critical about the ruling class or the priests or Islam, there's a very high risk of being executed for it.

In Muslim countries it's always the middle ages

yeah welcome to the real world

cancer of all modern religions

Meh, they're all pretty bad imo

Modern Religion is an oxymoron

Oh none from me, though I'd pool just about every other religion in with that. They're all shit in their own ways. The concept of a modern religion also makes no sense, by their nature religions are archaic power tools used to control the masses against their individual will via their collective will.

A religion where women are beaten and people are blown up for fun.

I'll just say that we (well most of us) also hate the people who do these things. I'll also say that you're a bigot.

Dont say muslims, i dont give a shit what you think this is OBVIOUSLY not what the majority of muslims want or support. This isnt even right in the most literal islamic pov

every religious-led country is a country of barbarians.

it is the human collective absolving themselves of responsibility in liue of some greater power

religion is a transmissible poison that must be removed, like cigarettes

I thought 74 Lashes were clearly lethal?

AFAIK there is nothing humane about such a sentence, on the contrary, it can mean slow and painful death.

I just tried to find this out, in most muslim countries, the too many lashes are spread out over several times, to avoid death. A limit is for example 50 lashes per time in Saudi Arabia.

Her back. It was a female engineer protesting being forced to wear a hijab.

From what I understand they can stretch that over multiple sessions. No idea if they have a fixed set of lashes per session or if they simply stop when a doctor signals it gets problematic and continue when the wounds have somewhat started to heal.

It's actually a pretty common punishment in Iran so should be survivable for most people, or people would revolt if their teenager lashed to death for drinking alcohol.

Obligatory what Iran is doing makes no fucking sense.

That aside, lashing in Islam doesn't mean lashing with all your strength and ripping the flesh off the guy you're lashing. There are a lot of restrictions to make the process painful, but survivable without permanent injuries.

Talk about a non-sequitor.

That's actually really interesting. I wonder if any religious folks are able to deconstruct their own beliefs after seeing this movement.

Can Iran not be a victim of the west but also wrong in their treatment of women?
Society isn't stuck in the medieval ages there. It's cruel, sure. But they have phones, coffee and automatic weapons just like everyone else, so they're firmly in the same age as everyone else.
This woman is using her privilege as a prominent(ish) figure to highlight the injustices prevalent in Iran, so she's unlikely to get the worse punishments you've mentioned. I say fair play to her and I hope more people get to speak out.
Sadly, though, history tells us that dictators can do whatever the fuck they like to their own people with no repercussions.

It’s an evil theocratic dictatorship, but do you know how it got that way? There was a revolution opposing a US puppet ruler. The west would like all Middle East nations to be like the Saudis: nice, stable petro states who are compliant for the most part and who cares what happens there internally. But this formula has gone wrong several times (Iran) or the west hasn’t tried as hard to achieve stability because the oil incentive isn’t there (Syria) or the borders were specifically drawn to crate instability (Iraq).

There’s no pointing fingers at the Middle East without acknowledging the culpability of the UK, France, Russia and the USA in their horrid dysfunction. Understanding this is a rite of passage. Children point and hoot about the horrible Arabs. Adults know what’s actually up with that part of the world.

Yeah it’s all the west’s fault

Give me a fucking break, the west isn’t responsible for them treating women like literal trash for hundreds of years

There's no 'freeing' Snowden. He dumped US intel, got scared, and decided to move to Russia of all places, where he couldn't be charged or extradited. He has now lived there for a significant portion of his life. For the entire war against Ukraine. If he were half as critical of Russian or Chinese spying as he is American, I might see things differently. Point is, he made his own choices and moves a long time ago. His allegiances are clearly elsewhere. Maybe he was dumb enough to believe the Russians and Chinese respect privacy more than Americans.

I'd rather see Navalny freed.

Did you miss the mass protests in Iran?

What do you mean by this? I am not sure I follow.

I’m very surprised at you getting mass downvoted.

Their current plight goes all the way back to the 70s, where they literally got everything they wanted.

The Shah deposed, check. Carter humiliated and out of office, check. Religious oligarchy / theocracy / Islamic fundamentalism and Khomeini in power, check. Reagan elected, check. The US embarrassed and shamed, check.

Nothing good it seems come out of getting involved in the affairs of the Middle East.