I'm very guilty of this. I'm an old man set in my ways.

It's select and start.
What's it supposed to be, windows and hamburgers?
- I won't give it up. Select and Start.
  My wife makes fun of me for it whenever we play couch co-op games. "What do you mean press start? My controller doesn't have a Start"
  
  So you married her for her looks, it could be worse.
  
  "Press the button formerly known as Start"
  
  I won’t give it up.
  Will you let it down?
- It’s going to be windows and hamburgers to me from now on
  
  I thought it about it again. Should have said cheese slices and hamburgers.
  
  I'm 100% Hamburger and Tie Fighter.
- ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️🅱️🅰️🅱️🅰️[select][start]
  REST 30 REST 30
  🏅🏅🏅🏅 🎖️🎖️🎖️🎖️
- WTF was the select button actually for? I get start because it was often the button on arcades or gamepads that allowed you to choose menu options (which still works but has mostly been replaced by A).
  What were we supposed to be "selecting"?
  
  On the title screen of older NES games, the select button changed what mode you played in, then you hit start to start that mode/variation.
  
  Select and Start was how the Atari 2600 did things. At the time, everybody was designing in terms of having one set of controls for when you're in the game, and a set of meta-controls for adjusting stuff outside the game. The 2600 configuration GUI was the dumbest thing in the world. You look at a grid chart of game options in the manual, and you press the Select button 35 times to get to the version that you want.
  The Famicom was much more able to draw and interact with a real configuration GUI. But Nintendo's own experience was mostly in making the arcade game "Donkey Kong", where you pick how many players by "pressing" the insert coin button and then Start. Nintendo was selling to a market that mostly knows home games from picking up a 2600 at a bankruptcy sale. So, keeping the separate meta-game buttons and game buttons was natural at the time. Later games developed a better design language for the meta-game UI, so most game studios left the Select/Start interface behind.
  (Lol now I see that TubbyCustard said it all, but better)
  
  It was originally for selecting different options.
  You're on the start screen and it says:
  1 Player.
  2 Players.
  You press select to choose which one. That's just an example, lots of NES games were like that.
- I actually have a windows button on my gaming device. Still searching for the hamburgers button though
- Honestly I call them "start" and "the tab button."
  I grew up with a PlayStation and PS2 but haven't owned any console since the switch, preferring PC. So I remember start because it's the start menu but select is usually on tab on PC.
- This is the way.

Did the buttons really need renaming? It's not like options and share or + and - make any more sense
- For the switch, plus and minus have a symbolic benefit of matching their position on the console itself when the joycons are detached. It's not significant enough to warrant the rename but it at least is more than just a rename.
- I get being nostalgic for Start/Select but how does Options/Share not make more sense? The options button brings up a menu of options for most games and share allows you to share screenshots or video from the game. Whereas start did the same thing options does now which has nothing to do with the word Start and Select was sorta a catch all button for an action you only used occasionally, but was never used for selecting which was usually X but sometimes one of the other shapes.
  
  Options I kinda get but it sounds dumb to me, would've been better as "menu" because it's not exclusively for options, also for pausing and other menus.
  Share isn't what that button normally does at all in my mind, sure maybe PlayStation have it bound to that but normally it brings up an alternate menu to start that isn't the pause menu (like in Minecraft and overwatch it brings up player list/scoreboard as an example
  A lot of games I believe use it for the map too
  
  The traditional role of the Select button is actually handled via the D-pad in most games. It was the button you used to change your selection, not to actually select something (that would be done with Start.)
  Of course, even in the NES era past the first couple of years menus could generally be navigated with the D-pad, so even then Select was pretty useless, which is probably why the Genesis didn't bother with it.
  
  Is that functionality for share a console specific thing? I don't remember any games that used it for that purpose (on pc)

- Brother

My nephew was so confused when I kept telling him to press "Select" when we played on a PS5.
- You must teach the boy the old ways.

The touchpad is just "big select".
I'm not sure who in the name of all fuck decided that controllers should have a dedicated Tweeting button, but I suspect this gen will be the last of that.
- a dedicated Tweeting button
  Wait what?
  
  Well, it's called a Share button I think, but I can't find any way to actually share screenshots other than Twitter.
  So I don't use it.

Everytime I start up Burnout: Paradise Remastered it tells me to hit Options to start the game. No! It's Start to start!
- Blasphemy

Yeah, same. I actually forget the name of the button, too, so when I give someone the controller so they can play and they ask “how do I open the menu?” I’ll say “oh press start. It’s not called start actually but you know press the button that looks like it should be called start.”

Could we take the guy who put a dedicated screenshot button on the controller instead of another options button and drown him in the nearest septic tank?

Same. My older SO corrects me. I won't have any of it.

Had this argument with someone a couple days ago. Said my start button was sticking and they gave me shit for it.
I am not a violent man. I do my best to be as kind and caring as possible. I wanted to drown him.
- That's entirely reasonable and even noble.
  
  Good to know I was justified

I'm sorry, are we discussing paddles?
- Everywhere I look, you’re 40% of Lemmy
- Like...the Atari kind? Because I'm old enough for those.
  Wanna play some Combat?

So... I believe I'm old now...
*insert "I'm in this meme and I don't like it" picture.

But....we have two buttons right? The right one was always start and the left one was options ig? I'm an Xbox 360 player
- start and select
- Start and Back, respectively. Now it's "Menu" and "View"
  ...or possibly "hamburger" and "restore window to smaller size". Because that's logical?
- This habit is pre Xbox 360

I will always call it the start button, but to be honest, menu or options are better names for what it does.
- Same, but never liked options as the name though sounds like that should be the word to replace 'select'. Menu is an adequate replacement for 'start'. Won't call it that but makes sense.

Hello my name MonsiuerPatEBrown, and I use two spaces after a period.
- I like to think that you did it here too, even without a 2nd sentence.
- Man my brain must be getting old, I just like the way it looks mang

I'm the same with Nintendos new controllers.
➕ and ➖ are Start and Select to me.

Curiously enough, the "start" button is now more of a "pause" button. Sometimes also a "skip cutscene" and "open menu" button. Microsoft was into something by actually renaming it to "menu" in the Xbox, since that's what it's used for nowadays. Sony probably chose to call it "options" on the PS4 onwards solely to avoid being sued for plagiarism.

My main controller is the 8bitdo sf30 pro, which as basically the Super Famicom controller but with sticks and extra buttons for modern functionality labels them Start and Select, as ordained by heaven.
- This is why 8bitdo is the best

Should've gone the Nintendo route and used symbols. "+" and "-"
- What are you talking about? The NES was what solidified the select/start names for me. No matter what any manufacturers call the two bottoms in the center of their controller, they will always be select and start.
  
  What I wouldnt give for two bottoms in the center of my controller right now
- They already have symbols for their face buttons, PS using symbols for start and select would make more sense than any other company
- Let's not get political now.

the worst is when they change the shapes to make them smaller (switch & ps5), gotta save pennies on manufacturing costs i guess
- Sure, over the course of making 253489291647802 controllers with that savings we can use the excess profit to throw a pizza party instead of paying you a living wage!

I didn't even realize till like last year that the big square button in the middle was also a touchpad. I kept going into the map in farcry and it would keep wiggling around. Didn't realize till later that you can use that pad as a cursor
- If you connect it to a PC, it works like a laptop touchpad.

The zoomers of today are the the boomers of tomorrow.

Unpopular Opinion: The Playstation Controllers dont have an X button. Everyone should be calling it cross and would save so much confusion. Like there is a triangle, a circle, a square and another geometric shape. Hate having to specify when playing couch coop with friends if they have to press the xbox x or the playstation x. I know with nintendo people it gets even worse.
- That's not even an opinion, it's fact. PlayStation calls it the cross button. Watch Dogs Legion has an accessibility option to read things out that's permanently turned on for the opening menu. It says "Press the cross button". Various manuals and in game text say cross too.
  That being said I will be rotting in hell before I ever call it the cross button.
  
  Had me in the first half. But I like your gusto
- I hate that Xbox stole the buttons from Nintendo and then swapped them over just to fuck with me more.
  Between Sony, MS, Nintendo and Gamecube Nintendo, the X button can be in four different places.
  
  They didn't steal it from Nintendo. It was a carryover from their collaboration with Sega on the Dreamcast. [link] (https://news.microsoft.com/1998/05/21/microsoft-sega-collaborate-on-dreamcast-the-ultimate-home-video-game-system/)
  
  RIP Sega

On one hand yeah sure back in the day I get it.
Now dang near every game is press x to continue/begin so the start button just begs a question.

A is the only button
- Atari?

The shtart button.
The shtart button.
Don't push.
The shtart button.
Be right back!

On Xbox we have Big X and Little X too!
- My primary gaming is on Xbox and I still can't tell the hamburger and copy button icons apart without looking at them when a game refers to them in a tutorial or menu.

It's the start button, I agree

In another timeline, Windows 95 introduced the 'Options' button, a revolutionary breakthrough in graphical interface design.

The boomer traits of old gamers
- What boomers? Gen Z was the first to mostly grow up without a Start button - and even then, the older ones might still remember the PS3/Xbox 360 Controllers.
  
  As explained in the other chains it was a joke about the "my boomer trait is ABC"
  Really tired of how quickly people jump down each other throats on this platform
  
  Gen Z here, I had a ps2, ps3 and psp which all had start and select. I was a child but that's still how I learned it
  
  You're skipping a generation.
  But we're used to it, so whatever.
- I understood your comment, DreamButt. I call any old person stuff I do "boomer" habits.
- Boomers didn't play video games. If you're going to joke with generational slurs at least get the generations right.
  
  Was moreso joking in the way people say "XYZ is my boomer trait," but sure
  To be clear I also call it a start button (because that's what it is)