The Supreme Court rejects Biden's plan to wipe away $400 billion in student loan debt
A sharply divided Supreme Court has ruled that the Biden administration overstepped its authority in trying to cancel or reduce student loan debts for millions of Americans.
Yesterday they made higher education less accessible to non-whites, today they made it harder for the poor...
I wonder if there's a pattern here.
Yes, higher education is now less accessible to non-whites. Which is good, because affirmative action was never a fair solution to the issue and was simply unfair in principle imo. We shouldn't raise the eligibility of people based on their race, college admissions and race should have nothing to do with one another. Class-based affirmative action actually makes sense instead of deciding off race.
Your whole argument could have been just that last sentence and I’d bet you’d have significantly less downvotes.
Although I’m disappointed by the courts decision I do believe class basis is a better measuring stick for AA. That said, I think there would be a pretty close correlation between the people who benefit now and the people who would benefit if the system was based on socioeconomic class.
We have class based affirmative action. Rich people buy their kids into school all the time.
Why does this make it harder for the poor to access higher education? A debt forgiveness will make current debtors less burdened but will probably make it more expensive for new applicants. Isn't it the other way around?
Relieving debt for the poor would allow them to spend their money on other things, or save it. Best case scenario, they're able to support their kids' educations and help break the generational cycle of poverty.
I believe he's referencing the decision on the Harvard affirmative action case, not the student debt relief decision. Supreme Court has been busy this week!
Honestly, this decision wouldn't probably impact future college attendees. But, there are other changes coming to federal borrowing that likely will. Income based repayment is being restructured and it's looking pretty good.
However, this will probably hurt the economy. A lot of people are about to hit repayment at a period of high inflation. It's not a great economy. And, if a lot of people decide to ignore their student loan bills a la 2008 financial crisis, were in for a global economic doozy.
Fuck Trump and his supreme court. We're going to be suffering the effects of Republican stupidity for the next 40 years.
If you need any reason not to believe in god, it's that Trump got to appoint THREE FUCKING SUPREME COURT JUSTICES
It’s Republican moral bankruptcy and cruelty that we will all suffer. If anyone’s stupidity got us here, it’s the Democratic Party’s stupid leadership since AT LEAST 2000, if not earlier. Republicans have telegraphed their intentions for 50 fuckin years and Democrats continued over and over to attempt reaching across the aisle, trying to pass bipartisan wins, “take the high road,” … all the while the Republican party continued putting their racist, xenophobic, mysoginistic, jingoistic, classist platform out year after year, abandoning all sense of decorum and norms, gerrymandering the fuck out of every district possible, blocking every bill that helps anyone aside from billionaires and corporations, and generally lying and cheating their way to what we have today.
since AT LEAST 2000
Democrats: It's just a coincidence that two lawyers who worked on the Supreme Court case that handed Bush the election in 2000 happen to be Supreme Court Justices today!
I think, if there's independent historians in the future looking back, they'll be mentioned in the same sentence as Neville Chamberlain often.
We'll see. I think the courts gonna get nuked soon one way or another.
But the forgiven PPP loans are A-OK, right? Fuck this shit.
On top of that 1.7 trillion in tax breaks for the rich over ten year. Benifits like 600 people. The same 1.7 trillion could wipe out debt 43 million people and that is debt accumulated over 40 years.
Unless the dems take back court we would be all living through a nightmare.
Maybe Hilldawg could have campaigned in Wisconsin or taken seriously that even if she won the popular vote, that the Electoral College actually mattered.
Reminder, she did win the popular vote. The majority did vote for her.
Or maybe Obama could have kept his campaign promise that codifying Roe vs. Wade in law was his first order of business.
This has been the Democrat strategy for a long time now: make wonderful promises they don't intend to keep, then blame everyone else when they don't come to fruition. People keep voting for them despite this obvious fact, because Republicans make terrible promises that they actually try to keep.
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. The only winning move is to not play flip the table and play a different game.
The dem politician's tactic. Pretend like you give a fuck (pretending bc they dont actually do the things to solve the issue), and then hold your constituency hostage during elections. Then continue to pretend like you give a fuck.
Or maybe Obama could have kept his campaign promise that codifying Roe vs. Wade in law was his first order of business.
I don't disagree that Democrats should have done this, but I doubt any Senate during his presidency would have passed it. The Democratic super majority lasted only a few months and he used that to pass the ACA. I don't think it would have passed if it had codified Roe.
Wow. The SCOTUS is firing through all sorts of shitty changes this week. They’re like the koolaid man on meth.
Gonna be this way for the foreseeable future
OH YEAH!!!
Vote! Encourage those around you to vote. Help drive someone to the polls. If you know a young person who's never voted, get them to vote.
Don't care who they vote for, just get them to the ballot box.
The more people vote, the better things turn out for the majority.
I know this will likely upset many Dems but:
Dems have the Senate and the Presidency and are completely within their power to pack the Supreme Court and basically alter all of the terrible rulings the Supreme Court has made lately. The problem is that many Dems do not think it is worth packing the court for women, students, or the environment. You can't just vote your way out of this as you would literally have to pack up and move to West Virginia to vote for a Senator who would be ultimately determining this.
The system is ultimately flawed and just voting isn't enough.
Addition after some research:
It looks like the Supreme Court is set in size by law and FDR had some of the same problems so it would be likely that this would take an act of congress and not just the Senate.
Ultimately I feel this is certainly more difficult and makes my criticism of inaction now invalid as Dems do not hold enough of a majority to pass legislation; however I do still see them as responsible for inaction when majorities have been held throughout my lifetime.
With that being said, you’re also correct that voting is NOT enough. Protesting and direct action, mutual aid, and more are all required!
Democrats wouldn't pack the courts
That would be uncouth, you know, decorum is after all VERY important
I also think the Parlementarian said no
Of course it upsets the Dems knowing that they're on the only side that has to govern well and we honest.
But the alternative is for our side to be as much of a malignant tumor on the country as the other side is.
I'll take this version of the Democratic party, despite the fact the Republicans are trying to destroy the US and rebuild it in their own image.
Could expand on that? Any good methods to vote out a Supreme Court Justice?
Without a socialist party (as in, completely purged and free of all bourgeois influence), there's isn't a whole lot worth voting for at the federal level. Democrats repeatedly show that they are incapable of resisting the Republicans and take L's constantly (see here).
I encourage everyone to instead organize with local political orgs that can eventually build this power. The DSA being the largest currently available (and just as flawed as the other options one may have, ofc)
Dont forget to thank RBG, who refused to retire under Obama for some fucking reason, only to get owned by COVID after officiating a wedding for some dumb liberals (while having an immune system shredded by cancer)
Well it gave us the funniest trump interview imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knlJWu815C0
If there is a minimum age in government, there needs to be a maximum. I'm over these 70 year olds running things.
Downvoted by people who refuse to look at when Democrats make stupid decisions that fuck us.
I thought Lemmy was supposed to be full of tankies, not milquetoast centrist capitalist apologists....
Just like when Dems had congress and the presidency but refused to make law to defend abortion saying the supreme court wouldn't overrule it. Oopsy poopsy.
He's not wrong, just an asshole.
Your hyperlink is wrong, it's pointing back to the post.
for some fucking reason
The reason is that she expected Hillary to win and the satisfaction of the first female president appointing her replacement.
It's a great example of how these justices aren't as wise or smart as they seem to think they are.
Expecting Hillary to be a shoe-in was just so naive. I know hardly anyone democrat or republican that actually liked her.
My "favorite" part of the majority ruling is how the loan forgiveness was struck down because it would harm the loan servicers. Not the government, not the people, the companies that have been contracted to collect the loans. That's who SCOTUS is most concerned with. Should tell us everything we need to know about who's interests are most important - capitalists
Not only did they admit that MOHELA didn't have standing, MOHELA itself said this wouldn't impact them and they didn't ask to be part of the case.
Funny how it turns out that standing doesn't matter when they don't want it to.
Kinda similar to the other case they dropped this morning, allowing LGBT discrimination... despite the fact that it turns out that no gay person ever actually asked this bakery to make them a cake for their wedding. When contacted, the man who purportedly sent the email claimed he never sent it and has been married to a woman for years. They don't even give a shit if it's made up they will sign off on it.
Who here still thinks republicans should be allowed to vote and hold elected office and write and pass laws?
Show of hands?
Great, everyone who raised their hand deserves this shit. Everyone wants to hate on Republicans, but when it comes to the voting booth, everyone defends them to the death. Well this is what you get. But DeMoCrAcY is more important than anything and everything, right?
Gotta be a troll, right?
I personally think it doesn't suddenly stop being "democracy" because you decided to make laws about disallowing people who are trying to dismantle democracy and replace it with authoritarianism to participate in democracy, because they're obviously participating in bad faith.
I don't think you should lose voting rights for felonies. I think you should lose voting rights for trying to dismantle the state and remove hard-fought for citizens rights. But maybe I'm a crazy person for thinking that a lot of these people are pretty dumb motherfuckers, and for the pretty dumb motherfuckers, its pretty easy to prove that they're acting in bad faith and to deny them voting rights until they get their ass educated accordingly.
I'm with you, at this point it doesn't make sense to let literal fucking terrorists be involved in democracy, because it's already no longer democracy when they're threatening you at the voting booth with their guns so you "vote right."
Are they participating in bad faith or are they acting in line with their class interests?
Come on, you play right into their bullshit propaganda with that message. If they go low we don't stoop to their level. We do not win elections by removing voting rights for those we disagree with - that is an authoritarian tactic.
"sure, we let fascism run rampant over society, but that was the respectable thing to do"
What? Of course they should be allowed to vote, if you don't like it, leave the US
Democracy is bad when I don't get what I want. Interesting take.
Friendly reminder Biden lost the battle but he hasn't lost the war. He is currently working out an income related savings plan and doing a hail mary long shot roundabout come in the back door play using the Authority he has from the Higher Education Act to create debt forgiveness regulation. He's still out there trying, though anything through the Dept of Education will take a while because of how policy works there.
Roe, Affirmative Action, LGBTQ protections, this is why you should vote in every election, including (perhaps especially) midterm elections. It's the composition of Congress that makes these things happen, and you can't pass on voting if you want to prevent it.
I'm typically a swing voter, but not anymore
A very poor application of standing doctrine. Kagan cuts right to the heart of it when she asks "Where is MOHELA" as well as if anyone honestly thinks Missouri is there over MOHELA losing some fees. Heck, MOHELA wanted nothing to do with the suit and that the payments Missouri claimed MOHELA made back actually were never paid.
Then the recurrence of the "major questions doctrine," this invented idea that lets them throw out the plain text when they disagree.
That said, I did disagree with the plan. It was poorly targeted, hitting wealthier grads that still had loans, while ignoring poor people that never went in the first place, or were frugal and had limited loans. As someone that saw the Great Recession hit just after graduation, I wonder where my relief was from that emergency, as my lifetime earning took a massive hit, all while still having to pay my loans, with not so much as a payment pause or interest forbearance. To me, it was a thinly veiled attempt to buy votes for the midterm. Had it any other goal, Biden wouldn't have waited so long.
I don't understand how someone can sue over someone else being harmed. Doesn't the person or entity suing have to be directly harmed in order to sue?
Yep, they upended the standing doctrine that requires you to be the party injured to sue the party causing the injury. But also these aren't true judges, they're political advocates. They will uphold standing doctrine where they see fit, and strike it down where they don't like here.
Sucks
I don’t have kids but am perfectly happy to pay more tax to make education free or cheaper. How can anyone argue that a less educated society is better? The more people that can experience higher education is plainly a good thing. There could be someone out there who could make a medical or technological breakthrough but doesn’t get the chance because they can’t afford to go to college.
I think the main argument is that this isn't the way to go about that. The universities are totally out of control and need to be forced to curb their spending to make things more affordable before we just start handing them public funding like this.
Well I think this move is only going to hurt people in the short run, it was just asking for further dive in a recession, I do agree with this sentiment of it.
Tuition prices are absolutely insane. Colleges and universities are spending money on ridiculous nonsense, and that needs to be reigned in severely before Just throwing billions more taxpayer dollars at them.
That said, these funds weren't going to the universities. They were going to the banks, so cutting this off isn't going to influence tuition rates in any way.
need to be forced to curb their spending to make things more affordable
How? Students are choosing more expensive places. The market is driving this.
I don’t really think anyone in the government has a good solution for this, do they?
Remove the available money? Only the rich go to college. Add more money? The prices go up.
You could try regulating it, but then you just get colleges that refuse to accept government money, while simultaneously asking for the same amount.
I’m sure someone has a solution that would work, but it’s not anyone with the power to implement it, that’s for sure.
Another W for capitalism, another L for the worker class.
most of what's happening in todays world is not a W for capitalism. Modern conservative thoughts on capitalism have long abandoned the necessary regulation of free markets we enforced for 2 centuries. capitalism only works if markets continually divide winners at the top. If you don't bust monopolies then capitalism begins to rapidly break down. We've known that for a long time and only recently stopped. You lose all the benefits of capitalism without that feature. What we have in America isn't capitalism really at all anymore. This whole concept that the government has no role in capitalism and free markets will always correct themselves is a myth and we've known that since before America. John Locke knew that he was a tax collector for the english crown.
I always vote for Democrats up and down the ballot. But this just confirms my choice once again. Hopefully the 26 million people the Republicans screwed over will come to the same conclusion.
they won't they don't care to go anywhere near reality. It would never fit their perception of the world.
I disagree. I was raised in a strongly Republican family. Fox News was perpetually on in my house, and Rush Limbaugh was a staple in the car. It took me until my 20s to start thinking for myself politically, and many years later, I now despise the Republican party and have gained the confidence to be outspoken about it. (I'm quite introverted, so that's kind of a big deal for me.)
For example, I grew up praying in Catholic churches for an end to abortion without really understanding its need as a medical procedure. It was only through education that I learned it isn't the horror show I had been told it is.
I'm just one person, but I know there must be more like me. People do change their views, and I hope more formerly brainwashed people like myself can be encouraged to change as well. There's still hope. Encourage people through education, not insults.
Fuck the SCOTUS.
from here on out, should be referred to as SCROTUS
Supreme Court Republicans of the US.
I know this upsets a lot of people, but the ruling isn't without justification. $450B++ in government spending should not be accomplished through a legal loophole. (Quite aside from the fact that fiscal stimulus is the last thing the economy needs right now.)
It is absolutely without justification. The language of the HEROES Act allows the Secretary of Education to "waive or modify any statutory or regulatory provision applicable to the student financial aid programs under title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965." This is not a loophole, it is the law, passed by Congress. And regardless of any foreseen impact on the economy, SCOTUS should not legislate. Otherwise, they're just an activist court.