The fuck, Finland?!
The fuck, Finland?!
The fuck, Finland?!
Really funny too because it was the USSR that gave them their independence.
"They will never forgive us for it"
Try telling it to finnaboos. I bet you'd be able to see the results from space
Fascist 80 years ago, fascist today
Yep
Isn't it weird how we've collectively gone back in time 50 years to the Cold War? It's become more and more common to hear libs and conservative call each other commies, the Hammer and Sickle are being banned, and Capitalists talk about the Russian Federation like it's the actual Soviet Union.
also isn't it weird how communism is to blame for every problem in this society created by a hegemonic capitalist system?
Turns out class conflict is a real thing that emerges from material conditions and not just something the Soviets made up.
Who'd have thunk it
pretty funny in its own way that the fall of the soviet union didn't end the cold war
Fascism requires an enemy.
I'd argue we are going as far back as the 1920s, with the global economy on the verge of imploding, socialism becoming popular in western nations, and the increasing tolerance of fascism (even nazism) and anti-communism reaching dangerous levels.
One day very soon, something is going to wake people up to the reality that they've been so scared by Russia and China that they've opened the door for a new Nazi regime.
It sometimes feels like the cold war never ended
What a joke. The government consisting of neoliberals and nazis banning communist symbols, when the communist parties of Finland get like 0,1 % of the total vote every single election. Stalin should not have stopped at Tali-Ihantala.
Fascists gonna fash
Finland: Bootlicking fascists since 1939.
since 1939
Freedom and democracy. Free speech. Civilized world.
Right 😂
Heated NATO moment
I'd be lying if I said I was surprised
I'm only surprised it took them this long
stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin
He had attempted Finland already
Safe to say that banning the symbol of the people that defeated the Nazis probably makes you a Nazi
Well their air force flags literally still have swastikas in them. But no, hammers and sickles are the problem! Nazi scum nation.
Actually, they replaced it a few years ago with something that's totally not a sonnenrad.
A certain intelligence community has been hard at work minimizing the contribution of the Soviets to ending WW2. It's gotten so bad, I expect the next WW2 era first person shooter won't be having a Russian campaign this time.
It’s gotten so bad, I expect the next WW2 era first person shooter won’t be having a Russian campaign this time.
The next? Call of Duty: WWII already came out six years ago and only had an American campaign lol
It was honestly pretty hilarious how hard that one went into "America won WWII" territory when previous WWII ones were pretty good about showing how other countries made the bigger contributions (even with them still having biases and propaganda), most of them had a Russian campaign too
It's gotten so bad, I expect the next WW2 era first person shooter won't be having a Russian campaign this time.
Nah they'll have one but it'll be about all of the destroyer battalions of the NKVD with you playing as Putin's father burning Ukrainian villages with zero context in regards to why it was done.
Then just make a new symbol, the sickle is not as representative today as it used to be when it was invented anyways, since agriculture is more industrialised now, at least in Finland.
Hammer and sickle is over ❌🙅 Time to use tractor and keyboard 🚜⌨️✅💪
I'm sympathetic to the Juche symbol as well.
They can't ban stars and the color red, lmao. So long as those are around they'll be good.
Don't give them ideas.
They can ban anything they want. The cops and judges enforcing the law instinctively knows who to target and who to ignore.
The problem is that they’ll just ban the new symbol if it gains enough traction
Of course, but that's dialectics for you. There is no eternally solved problem with no negative effects.
This maybe
Based.
I fucking love this symbol.
I've seen that symbol before, but I can't remember where or when
It's always either Ukraine, Baltics, Finland or Poland, even Balkans, Hungary, Czech and Slovakia are silent, alwayse these bark 24/7.
The trufinns party demands the existence of falsefinns. Thank you liberals for allowing them to rule.
Do they still have swastikas on their fighter jets in Finland?
I'm not 100% sure but I think it was dropped a couple of years ago. Plenty of war memorials over here still have at least one swastika on them though
Stalin should've steamrolled their asses 100% of the way to the gulf of Bothnia during the great patriotic war.
Few years ago they banned the swastika from their airforce
Actually no, they are still using it
More messed up is that it took them this long to do it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Academy_(Finland) The air force academy still has the swastica in its flag.
Not big surprise
They can expel our ambassador and break diplomatic relations with us
I'd like to hear the youtuber Finnish Bolshevik's take on this in particular.
Trump is my favorite communist.
I'm not gonna say I agree with this or defend censorship but when your country got invaded by the most famous communist country in history and had a bad time under their rule, then it's quite understandable why people there don't like symbols associated with said country.
The entire affair is just a mess of history. A fascist dictatorship being replaced with a communist one.
Look who was constantly working for the independence of Finland from the Russian Empire (bolsheviks), look who actually did helped and allowed Finland to become independent (bolsheviks), look what happened in Finland after independence (revolution was drowned in blood by protofascists), look who supported white army general Yudenich invasion of RSFSR (Finland plus Estonia and UK), look who supported head white general Kolchak even though Kolchak explicitly denied Finland independence (Finnish "hero" Mannerheim).
Finnish counterrevolutionary romance, or more actually marriage with fascism didn't started in 1940, it started in 1917 by attacking communists with the help of every protofash possible.
I didn't say that the dislike for the symbol was rational; I just said that I understand how people could come to dislike it.
"I'm not gonna say I agree with this or defend it..."
Proceeds to agree with it and defend it
I hope your realise that people can understand why others think in a certain way without agreeing with that way of thinking. You seem to think that because I said that I can understand why Finnish people might not like the hammer and sickle, I must therefore support banning it. I don't.
A fascist dictatorship being replaced with a communist one.
Most informed liberal.
and had a bad time under their rule
A fascist dictatorship being replaced with a communist one.
I'd like to hear more about this alternative history you got rolling around your skull where Finland became communist. I live in the reality where they joined nazis (as Stalin knew they would, which is why he had to move the border away from Leningrad), participated in starving a city to death and threw POWs into death camps, not the other way around. And then they turned around, seeing the writing on the wall, and avoided justice that way.
And now they're still nazis.
Finland was never communist though. When the Russian Empire became the Soviet Union, the Finnish government asked to secede, and Stalin (who was minister for nationalities) convinced everyone to let them have independence. Finland then became independent without a fight.
Even after the winter war Finland never became communist.
I would not say without a fight. The Finnish Whites massacred the Finnish Reds (...and by extension anyone at all thought to be sympathetic to workers).
https://www.marxists.org/archive/serge/1930/year-one-sa/finland2.html
The victors massacred the vanquished. Since ancient times class wars have always been the most frightful. There are no more bloody and atrocious victories than the victories of reactionary classes. Since the blood-bath inflicted on the Paris Commune by the French bourgeoisie, the work had not seen anything comparable to the horrors of Finland. From the first shot of the civil war, “belonging to a workers’ organization in White territory meant arrest; to have been an official in such organization meant execution. The massacre of socialists reached such proportions that it ended by interesting no one.” At Kummen, where 43 Red Guards fell in battle, nearly five hundred persons were executed! There were “hundreds” executed at Kotka, a town of thirteen thousand inhabitants. “They didn’t even ask their names; they just led them away in groups.” At Raumo, according to a bourgeois newspaper, “five hundred prisoners captured on May 15 got the punishment they deserved the same day.” “April 14 in Toeloe, a suburb of Helsingfors, two hundred Red Guards were killed with machine guns ... The Reds were hunted from house to house. Many women perished.” At Sveaborg the public executions were set for Trinity Sunday. In the neighborhood of Lakhtis, where the Whites took thousands of prisoners, “the machine guns worked several hours a day.” “On one day alone two hundred women were killed with dumdum bullets; pieces of flesh flew in every direction.”
Finland was socialist for a short while before their revolution was drowned in blood by reactionaries. Also it's not just "Stalin convincing everyone", Finland independence or at least autonomy was one of the constant communist points since tsar crackdowned on Finland in 1890's.
What were they doing before being invaded?
Maybe participating in a lil seige, just a cheeky lil seige of Leningrad?
Tbf the siege of Leningrad happened after.
And just to be clear, in case any historical revisionists are reading this: the Continuation War was not the USSR invading Finland, it was Finland invading the USSR alongside Nazi Germany.