Unlike previous attempts at trying reddit alternatives (like Voat), kbin and much of the lemmyverse doesn’t seem to be plagued with extreme far right buffoonery.

"Far right buffoonery" starts with people batching about how they're being """censored""" for saying slurs or trying to have "honest conversations about race" or whatever.

Nip 'em in the bud and voila, no Nazis on your kbin.

What stuff of yours was censored?

That is the key question.

fascism doesnt play fair in the marketplace of ideas, if you invite a nazi to sit at your table you've made it a nazi table. free speech is necessary and important, but we still draw lines for things like defamation and hate speech. another line is not offering a platform to fascists, they arent entitled to a seat at the table to spread fud.

you're like "but i'm not a nazi" , great, let's keep it that way.

It certainly doesn't. It's just that alt rtght absolutely abuses good will and rules to the extreme and systematically hijacks certain phrases.

See Elon Musk's Twitter as a light example (giving in to authoritarian censorship, and skewing content visibility, while constantly touting himself a "Free speech absolutist"), or thedonald from Reddit, which was mostly made of bots, conspiracy theorists and some sane, but malicious people, banning anyone who's even slightly misaligned.

Some people like the previous commenter are then incorrectly shortcutting hijacked slogans to the alt right. Which was their goal to start with - increasing the friction, uncertainty and division.

To elaborate about free speech we want to mantain sensible environment. So we need to give a boot to astroturfing bots and far, far right neonazis. Though as with most things, moderation is the key.

Yes, but the "censorship" and "freedoms" they talk about isn't about malicious censorship (I.e. Spez going around quietly editing dissenting comments) or freedom about how our content is used (I.e. Reddit refusing to let people delete their comments).

Their version is about spreading misinformation and hate speech of all kinds, alongside racist and facist ideologies unfiltered and unimpeded. They're malicious actors acting like victims.

We don't want any of that, we want all folks to feel welcome, which is why we have to shoot that down. To maintain a tolerant society, we must only be intolerant of the intolerant.

Same. I hate censorship there and came for the freedom here

Reddit was filled with a special brand of removed always trying to police language always acting smug about taking about some weird moral high road it is exhausting to deal with. People irl dont have such tight asses about speech. And permabanning someone for having an opinion you dont agree with is an abuse of power (not like it matters much to people who are so zealous about policing public morality). Obviously dont be a shitter and start spouting off trump supporters special brand of koolaid but if you feel like trans women should not compete with biological women in professional womens sports then you are free to think that way.

many people on the fediverse are extreme authoritarian progressives who call literally any other political view "nazis"

Sorry, but what comic are you referring to? Some other users also referenced panels of a comic, but I don’t see any comic—or any link other than to Wikipedia.

Has the user edited it out?

I really liked /r/latestagecapitalism but I got banned for talking smack about China, and how the authoritarianism of the USSR and its child states didn't line up with the values they tried to espouse.

Permanently banned. Appeal ignored. Disappointing, but good riddance I suppose.

Indeed, people tend to forget that the left-right meet isn't a half circle, but a full circle. You lean far enough one way on either side and you start wandering into the other side.

This is one of the major benefits of upvotes/downvotes not being anonymous in activitypub, IMO. Anyone can run a bot that detects patterns like this and calls it out for all to see.

That's like closing the eyes. I like tje political communities, that was the main reason I was on reddit.

The Lemmy Devs are tankies

As opposed to the clearly smarter, enlightened little guys on the left. You're going exactly what they're describing.

it's important to see that both sides have extremes and to assume that anyone who tips the scale "left" or "right" is somehow more right or more wrong is what keeps us from being able to find common ground. turning the words "conservative" and "liberal" into slurs is equally damaging. we both have ways of lashing out at each other when we are not the enemy. I bet we can agree that extremism is dangerous regardless of which side of the fence it resides on.

What OP doesn't seem to want to understand is that Left vs Right is Up vs Down.

The origins of Left vs Right as terms come from the days of the French Revolution. There was a vote called to ascertain the power of the King. Those who wanted to grant the King an Absolute Veto were asked to sit on the right side of the speaker's podium, those who were against, or wanted no king at all, were asked to sit on the left. There were many such votes.

Thus left vs right was born, the left represented the power of the people, and the right represented the power of the nobility.

Then conservatism was created, replacing birthright nobility for those who were merely rich and powerful.

Right and Left then became shorthand in the press for Conservatism vs those with more Democratic ideals, be it communist, socialists, or merely those who believed in taxing the rich and using that money to improve the lives of everyone. The press in Europe used the terms from almost the beginning, but it took a while for those terms to reach America.

Sadly, the Right figured out pretty quickly how to suppress and demonize the Left. They also figured out how to turn hatred to their advantage, to expand the ranks of the Right Wing supporters at the expense of the Left. Because you don't personally need to be super rich if the people you're taught to hate are super poor.

The thing is, the Left cannot abide attacks on those people. Which is why minority and lgbt+ rights are such a big part of the platform. Because those people are in fact part of The People, and the Left is the Power of the People. The goal is to lift everyone up, to protect everyone equally under the law.

After all, as Frank Wilhoit said;

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"

The way I see it, is that they are not exactly the same, but there seems to be a greater tendency in the "up-directed" people to be also right-leaning, also a greater tendency in the "down-directed" people to be also left-leaning, which makes sense, since many elements in those pairs of tendencies/ideologies almost line up, or are at least very compatible.

However, there IS also right libertarianism, and left authoritarianism, but those seem to be less probable than the opposites.

Take a look at the Political Compass mappings of famous politicians and political parties in different parts of the world: The up-right and down-left quadrants are almost always the most populous, while there are dots in the other two quadrants.

(See the "Elections" section on the left column, click on several elections in different locations.)

Say sike right now

This is my thought exactly. As it becomes easier and easier to use these sites, with apps and everything, we will start to see more crazy and stupid conservatives.

They're too stupid to figure it out at the moment. Most of them at least. And the ones who aren't, are the ones who are aware that they're ideology is trash, but they are using it for financial and/or tax reasons.

I mean, there instances that exist as havens for far right folks. But they are not defeated with the bulk of the instances. See the exploding heads thing.

And main original dev is apparently a "tankie" which appears to be a communist apologist of some kind. For this part I'm just reporting what I've seen others say. I know nothing about him myself.

Yeah, that was the explicit event that set things off, so it's hardly surprising it went the way it did.

Haha, I remember that Reddit episode. Yes, fatpeoplehate getting clubbed created the first wave of filth wandering off. Banning r/incels and r/pizzagate and the other nonsense around qanon helped Reddit shed off some more.

I'm surprised there isn't a fat people hate here. They got all sorts of politics from that group.

They have to control what you read and it's always the same argument. 'Dogwhistle', 'Groomer', 'Nazi', 'Pedo', etc...
Funny thing is you never see this IRL and it's only the terminally online who write like this. IRL discussions are much more mellow and you can talk with people about stuff, even controversial topics and you can always drop it and be good.

Every comment in this thread you could've found on reddit and copy pasted it here. Same quality of discourse.

Yeah, I joined VLemmy.net because they do not defederate with anyone and the admin made this post. Specifically the part where they said:

I feel it is important as many people have mentioned to “leave the power to the users” and let them decide the content they wish to see.

The great thing about the fediverse is that you can join a site that caters to what you want, or if it doesn't exist you can make it yourself.

'When there is nothing to complain about just make up an enemy'
Whatever enemy you're projecting doesn't exist except in your head.

See, I don't think it's likely to work out that way. I think a lot of people think we're more divided than we are - and the President & VP will both work to their own profit before their party line (hopefully), and that should lead to cooperation. Granted, it's cooperation that screws the little guy, but there's at least a hope of visible bipartisanship.