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the API changes occur tomorrow, gentlemen, it's been an honor (inb4 Lemmy completely crashes)

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Goodnight Apollo, my sweet prince.
Hello Memmy 🫡
- You may have already seen this, but there is a web app for Lemmy that looks and functions very similar to Apollo:
  https://wefwef.app/
  I’ve been trying it today, and it’s pretty good.
  
  Holy shit, the developer has put some serious work in. I didn’t know web apps could be that good. There’s some insane attention to detail going on here
  
  WTF! i been on lemmy for 2 weeks and this is my first time seeing this! Thanks
  e: This is friggin amazing!
  
  Damn... I hadn't been paying attention and thought that was actually exclusively an iOS app when I'd seen it mentioned before... Looks interesting.
  
  Wow! It really does feel very similar to Apollo. It will undoubtedly make the transition easier.
  Thanks!
  
  +1
  Incredible, and the dev keeps updating it like twice a day.
  I'm also running a copy alongside my instance, thelemmy.club at app.thelemmy.club
  I never was really fond of web apps but this is great.
  
  Wefwef feels like home. I was using Apollo for years and this feels very natural
  
  Damn, that looks just like Apollo!
  
  Wow, thanks for this.
  
  The dev is constantly updating it and is super communicative. Heres a link to the community
  
  If only this was a native ios app 😭
- Didn't the Apollo developer say that he was planning on porting his app to the fediverse?
  
  No, some other apps have
  
  Voyager now.. i know this thread us really old.

Even as somebody who has never used, and will likely never need Apollo, I am really grateful for what he did. However unintentionally, I think he ripped the mask off how rotten the management structure was. It's one thing to sell ads and collect hidden metadata. Pretty much all the apps do it. But the whole way Reddit treated him was beyond despicable.
- Agreed. When I saw the Apollo thread, my first thought was 'Nah, not even spez would do this' but I choked on that very fast when I saw the e-mails, the audio recordings and everything. It was so blatant, so asinine, so horribly fucked up.
  I've never used the Apollo app, but millions of people did and in stead of thanking him for all his work, reddit just stabbed him in the back. Can't believe there are people still taking reddit's side on this, it's crazy.
  
  undefined> Can’t believe there are people still taking reddit’s side on this, it’s crazy.
  The AMA where Christian called his bluff was just magical.
- It blows my mind that people are actually defending Reddit on this.
  
  because they think it's just some dude who profitted off of reddit's goodwill without giving anything back, and now poor ol' reddit just wants to make a couple bucks to pay the bills.
  
  It blows my mind that people are actually defending Reddit on this.
  I seriously think Reddit is operating a sock puppet scheme to push a narrative. They've done it before, and they've bragged about it to the press.
  That is why there are so many baby accounts or long dormant accounts that suddenly came to life in the last couple weeks. This is a company which is coming off a month-long campaign of libeling and slandering its top third party developers, and then gish galloping all over the site after the recordings and emails were published.
  Then you have Huffman idolizing Musk, saying he wants to do to Reddit what Musk did to Twitter.
  Good third party apps cannot come to Lemmy and Kbin fast enough.
  
  Are there? Must be a bigsub/shill thing.

I just joined Lemmy today after uninstalling Reddit Is Fun. It was absolutely surreal just how much habit was in pulling out my phone and pressing the space where RIF used to be. Decided I'm kind of mostly done with Reddit other than quick information look ups on the website.
So here I am! First post! The only constant in life is change. Hello everyone, I hope we all get along! :)

Over a decade lurking on reddit; never posted. Just made a lemmy account. I don't need lemmy to be "the next big thing"... just need it to not be overrun by bots and astroturfing. Hopefully some of the smaller subs I visit move over.
- Yeah, my least favourite paart about all of this is that I had to abandon most of the smaller subreddits I was active in.
  Oh well, they'll reform here, I bet
  
  you can bring those sub yourself, I did it with the yokaiwatch community
  
  So far, the smallest of my subs to even have a presence here are ones with ~400,000 subscribers. Anything smaller than that doesn't exist yet :(
- There's already enough content here that I don't run out of things to read ever. That's all I need.

I think a lot of moderators are just going to back down and return to business-as-usual from tomorrow. Reddit will suffer as a business but this isn't going to downright kill the site. Unlike say... Tumblr or OnlyFans, Reddit has a far more diverse clientele and many of them couldn't give a shit about third-party apps.
These half-arsed protests staged after the 14th June have told me that most of Reddit's mods are fucking cowards who are more afraid of losing their status as internet janitors than all the third-party apps.
Reddit's moderators could have easily brought the site to its knees if they just collectively stopped enforcing rules (including site-wide ones), removed Automoderator, unbanned everybody, then told the community to just go nuts.
The mods of /r/interestingasfuck had the right idea by encouraging users to post NSFW content, since this would have chased away advertisers in droves.
I mean the whole "sexy pics of John Oliver" protest that /r/pics had isn't going to chase away advertisers and was something that Spez could easily ignore, but having your content displayed alongside a flood of explicit pornographic images definitely will.
- I'd argue it will become like Facebook, with the younger and more intelligent crowd leaving the site.
  
  Excuse me! I'm older and more intelligent, thank you very much.
  
  I'd argue that you're right, and that it has already happened. If the bootlicking crowd on Reddit is actually organic users hearing a call to action to start commenting after months and years of inactivity, that is. Reddit is known to operate large networks of sock puppet accounts for fake engagement and narrative control (per Venture Beat's reporting, which quotes an admission from Huffman).
  
  It was actually the olds that left first, the ones who remember what the internet was like before corporations came in and dominated everything.
- The front page has gotten worse and worse over the last few weeks. Posts are just filled with Top Level spam comments with no replies. There has to be some kind of coordinated effort by the admins to make it look like the site is still doing fine.
  The protest wasn't successful, but it's made enough people think twice about their reddit usage that it did something. I think a lot of the mods thought thought that reddit would cave, and now they haven't they're facing the destruction of what many of them have built from next to nothing (Mostly mid size subreddits) they're not prepared to nuke it all.
  
  Why would they continue work on a site where in reality they have zero control.
  Up until now, they probably thought they had, but now it's clear they don't.
  It now turns out, that mods can be overruled and even excluded from the community they started.
- I agree the mods could and should have done a lot more to protest more effectively as you said. Reddit will be around for a long time to come I suspect, but in a steadily decreasing manner, with its effectiveness and relevance as an (often good) information source fading away.
- The mods would need to have some actual conviction instead of being selfish losers for this to happen.
  All they care about is their own modding, tools, power, etc
  As soon as it looked like they might lose their mod powers they caved.
  
  that's pretty embarrassing. they should've opened the flood gates and walked away. i modded a /r/technology for a minute and there was just so much backroom bickering about moderation philosophy applied to every borderline spam case. idk why anyone would want to engage in that constantly.

Fellas, it's been an honor
drowning noise
- Came here waiting for this lol. Cue Titanic band playing as it's sinking.

I hope Reddit fully dies off- that site is a cesspool and deserves to meet a fate similar to tumblr & myspace.

I didn't think infinity would be finite but tomorrow we'll reach the end of Infinity for sure
- I will miss that little app for sure. I wonder how many kilometers i scrolled with it.
  
  That would be an interesting metric to have in an app. Kilometers/Miles scrolled. Like exercise tracking for your thumb.
- damn
  farewell, infinity tho
- it was my first approach to reddit😭...
  I had fun over there but nothing last forever
- One of the best apps for sure! If you want to keep using Infinity, you can build the app with your private API-key following this guide. Also there's a fork of Infinity which supposedly makes it compatible with Lemmy, but I haven't tried that one yet.
- Let's hope they migrate fast to Lemmy.
  
  The dev said he won't migrate to Lemmy because he doesn't use it.
- Well, he is going to try to make a subscription Infinity.
  But I've already moved on to RedReader because the dev is fully on my wavelength. He got the accessibility exception and continues to openly trash Reddit in a very gentlemanly, polite way. His goal now is to diversify the app to non-Reddit sites before Reddit doesn't need him as a PR shield. Hopefully he's able to add Lemmy and kbin support soon.
  The RedReader app's use of menus is... slightly different than apps I have used in the past but it has sort of grown on me. It has a, "yeah I can see why Stephan Hawking would have used this sort of thing" vibe, but at the same time it's actually not tedious or difficult to use once you get the hang of it.

Can't be worse than what Musk just did.

I'm a Relay user which is one of the few apps that are going to stick around, but I still opted out of Reddit anyway. As a mod, spez arrogance offends me.
- I was a former Relay user too. I've been on Lemmy for about 2 weeks now. It's growing and changing by the day. It's really fascinating. I started using Liftoff a couple of days ago and it's a great app! Still testing a few others but Liftoff is my favorite so far.
- same, but I thought relay was shutting down too?
  
  For now, but I believe they mentioned implementing a subscription model.

I hope Lemmy will be successful, and maintain healthy communities.

RIF was part of my life for a decade. It's crazy how emotional this experience has been. It feels like losing a home, a community, everything because some fuckface won't find a compromise.
- I lost RARBG and then Reddit both in one month. Both I would go to daily.
  I felt, and still do feel a sense of hollowness that their familiarity had filled.
  
  It's not quite the same but at least for RARBG I've found TorrentGalaxy (torrentgalaxy . to) to be good place for torrents now.
- I do feel like that about Apollo. It’s crazy how different the Fediverse feels via a UI that copies Apollo pretty closely, I feel like I just dropped into a gaggle of tiny subs. Sure most features are missing, but the progress is so fast.
  I still am pretty bummed about losing the old site. I’ve spent so long there. But I was hopping sites before and it’s now wrong to start doing that again. Complacency is how we get apps like Instagram, which are more ads than pictures of friends (which is all I want out of that platform)

Excited for Lemmy.
Reddit was it was good while it lasted, but it was just a container for online communities. The AP protocol is superior to a centralized model in every way.
Onwards you beautiful nerds!
- Only thing which isn't great is the fragmentation of communities. For example having several different soccer communities, or several diff gaming ones, etc.
  
  I don't necessarily see this as a problem. Part of me yearns for the days of vbulletin and phpBB forums, where each one was small enough that it had its own unique culture and feel. You "knew" the people you were interacting with and were able to build camaraderie with fellow forum members.I couldn't tell you the username of 99% of the people I engaged with on Reddit. Having a huge, monolithic community ala Reddit completely destroys any sort of culture of the community.
  This is the best of both worlds, in my eyes. Naturally, certain communities in certain instances will become the community for a topic, but with the added benefit of being able to find a smaller, more focused community elsewhere.
  
  It's early days though, (among the rapid increase in numbers), as people move and instances get discovered and linked the best communities for everyone will rise.. Might not be just one though... To keep the football community example, there could be a good instance for match treads, but another could be great for championship clubs or non league or whatever... Fragmentation or choice? :)
- ❤️❤️❤️
- ❤️

It’s already begun - I’ve been getting “unable to fetch posts”-type errors since this morning. Hang on tight folks, it’ll be a wild ride as we welcome the flood of new Fledditors!
- Is it bad that I only recently discovered this site?
  
  You discovered it, so no, it's good :)
  edit: although you missed the "3 days no poop" meme, now the equivalent of reddit's poop knife
  
  Of course not, welcome to the fediverse :)
  
  Not at all, plenty of people are about to join for the first time. Have fun!!
  
  Why would it be?
  
  Not at all! I also joined Lemmy recently as part of the great Reddit migration.
  
  I feel like everyone here just recently discovered this site in the last month 😂
- I'm solely here to hurt Spez's wallet
  
  Me too
  
  Hope that hate is strong enough to build a home on, no going back to that rickety submersible.
- Oh yeah!
- I'm here from reddit reporting in. Happy to be joining the Lemmy team! Fledditors is a great name btw
- Try lemm.ee instance and Liftoff app. Awesome combo of fast instance and pretty stable app.

Already seeing high latency for our instance. Guessing everyone realized the impending doom and created accounts on one of the easier instances to join. Welcome, fellow lemmings!

New from reddit here. You'll probably get a lot of stupid questions and an influx of memes in all major communities. But that's ok, we learn quickly.
Biggest question popping up on reddit: will there be Karma on Lemmy?
- Upvotes and downvotes, sure, but actual karma that's tracked per account, no. I don't think that's planned either, but I could be mistaken.
  
  That would be very nice if true. Let's not have karma. I've never missed it and forgot it was even a thing. I only see downsides overshadowing any upsides ("fun to know"?) with it. Even "trusted account" uses don't work because karma promotes botting.
  
  Good to know, it's not something that's planned but it will be requested to death. Let's hope some devs are users themselves and aren't afraid to iterate.
  
  People really love their fake internet points. Tracking per-server would be trivial. Gamification works to encourage engagement as has been proven time and time again.
- There is a counter for upvotes, some apps show them in your profile. But it is a useless information and nothing like: you are only allowed to post here with x-upvotes
  
  Which is actually a welcome change IMO since it discourages karma-based elitism and allows for more open discussion, which is especially of value to Reddit refugees.
  Friendly reminder that we're not going "back to brunch"; no one said we had to copy Reddit 1:1. Reddit had a lot of problems, so why not make it so that Lemmy solves or avoids those same problems? Why make it the same when we can make it better?
  
  that's helpful thx!
- Positive karma is unnecesary imo, but negative karma could be useful to easily detect trolls and stuff
- I hope not. Karma removed are not good for quality content.
  
  Agreed.

Highly recommend purging / editing your comments before you go. I used PowerDeleteSuite for my main and alt accounts and it worked really well. If you've got thousands of comments and heaps of data it'll take ages, but it's an important step, leave them with nothing they can monetize
- Yep, and just to add to this: Don't immediately delete your account afterward, keep it for a few days.
  Sometimes some comments will be restored, or suddenly show up after a subreddit has opened again, or something like that (I've only had four straggler comments total, but still, wouldn't have seen that had I deleted my accounts).
  I've even seen some posts about people complaining that all their content has been restored and trying to use privacy laws to get reddit to comply. Don't delete your account until you're sure everything is gone!
  Besides, I would have kept my account for a little while longer anyway, because I've been lurking on reddit for the drama. ;)
  
  Just to clarify, if i use the suite it won't delete my account? I want to keep the account live for a few reasons.
- Any way to use it on mobile?
- Thanks.
  I have edited thousands of comments on my 12 year old account.
  It was a mostly good 12 years on reddit.
  So long and thanks for all the fish.
  It's 100% Lemmy now.
- Or you could just post something positive about JK Rowling and reddit will delete everything for you!

The vibrant ecosystem of third party apps is what made Reddit, from what I've heard even the official app is a reskin of what used to be a third party apps. Pushing that ecosystem to Lemmy (I have 7 actively developing Lemmy apps installed on my phone) could spell eventual death for Reddit, and was a very unwise long term decision.
- Don't forget the current lockdown and eventual (this is an assumption) removal of NSFW content. Porn is not IPO friendly, but one should never underestimate the amount of regular traffic it can produce. When traffic metrics are collected, they rarely filter out NSFW. There's already lemmynsfw.com, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
- Liftoff is awesome!
  
  Same! It flows a lot like baconreader for me. I love that I can collapse comments by just a tap.
- What's your favorite of the 7 so far?
  
  Connect for Lemmy. Thunder and Wefwef have better swiping features but Connect has swiping features, saved posts, and slightly better sorting, so right now it's my favorite app in terms of balancing what features it's implemented.
  
  I'm not the OP, but out of Jerboa, Connect, and LiftOff I like LiftOff the most so far. Jerboa would be higher up if it worked more.

At this point I just want to see it suffer lmao

Just joined the Lemmy-verse and getting everything setup. Hope u/spez rots in hell
- Check out wefwef if you were an iOS Apollo user. Welcome!
  
  I am a satisfied Android user, and can still recommend to fellows, giving wefwef a try
  
  This is a game changer. Thank you for your recommendation. It’s like I’m using Apollo again.
- I hope the guy stubs his both little toes and trips into a tub of LEGO.
  
  Whoa now that's going too far /s

Can confirm, it completely cracked

One more day until Reddit Isn't Fun... :(
It's been a good run, but without RiF the site is worthless.
That being said, it paves the way for the Fediverse to grow, so rather than celebrating the end of an era, I'm enjoying the birth of a new one.
- Yup. RIF forever stuck on reddit alternatives for me 😭. Out with the shitty old, upwards and onwards I guess.
- I crisis can be an opportunity.
  It's unlikely that reddit was the best site possible for us. We know how to improve it.

Stoked to be a part of the new community. Still have trouble explaining to my friends exactly what the fediverse is in simple terms without making it seem more complicated than it is
- Reddit/insert enshittified service here: data stored by corporation
  Fediverse: data stored by the community itself
  Threadiverse: above, but presented like Reddit threads.
  Why it's important: takes power back from FAANG and gives it to the people; allows you to store your social media with people you trust, including just yourself; can be studied or forked by users
  I know I've left out a lot of details, but that's why it's a simplification 😄.
  
  Power to the people!
- Reddit but with email thing :)
  
  What email thing?

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RIP Baconreader, been on it for the better part of a decade and the official app can't come close. This is a nice change of pace though, and I don't mind moving over at all.
- Just started with Lemmy yesterday. I like it. The style and minimalism is great.
- Fellow baconreaderer here. I installed liftoff! 2 days ago and while not quite the same feels very similar to BR to me.

Got here after RIF died, so sorry for being part of the chaos.
I don't post much, but I hope I'll be a positive addition here.

I'll add the obligatory farewell to RIF - "the app I was happy to pay for". This seems like an interesting alternative - I hope the back end is up for it! I won't be going back to Reddit on principle.

Those API changes will be the death of Reddit. When I glanced at RIF today in my app list and remembered it was offline, that brought me here finally. I held out hope that Spez wouldn't stand his ground but he did and now here we are. And this is my first post here, first of many. I hope this place thrives.

Goodbye Sync for Reddit...
And hello Sync for Lemmy (soon)!
- I really wish more apps were straight up switching to Lemmy like this.
- Sync is dead, long live Sync!

12 year reddit user that just came here after RIF went down. Excited to meet you all here! It's my first comment and may there be many, many more.

And ladies. We are here as well. I started an audiobook sub for those who are interested
- What's the name of it?
  
  It looks like it is: https://lemmy.world/c/audiobooks
  You can check which communities any user moderates by going to their profile

My first post on Lemmy, hello fellow RIF-ers. I hope Reddit goes down hard.

so long reddit
- And thanks for all the fish

o7
Thank you Boost for many years of great service.

Honored to be here. Hopefully the scaling issues Lemmy might run into isn't too much.
- Lemmy as a whole will probably take it. Lemmy.world might have issues because it might melt down and the private instances with an approval process like beehaw will just ignore it since their manual application queue can't handle it.
  
  You might be surprised, the usershare breakdown of Lemmy is pretty darn decent
  
  True, lemmy.world still makes up ~1/3 of the pie, but even if it goes hard-down, that still means that the majority of Lemmy will remain online & functional. It's important to note that each instance stores a copy of external posts & comments, so brief outages might not even visibly affect users from other instances who subscribe to lemmy.world content.
  Also, FWIW: lemmy.world is run by experienced operators who've previously weathered the Mastodon surge. As far as bulletsponge instances go, lemmy.world is probably the best candidate we could have hoped for considering how grassroots this all still is.

Just moved in, hoping for the community to grow here as big and bigger than reddit's community.
- Yeah I heard about Lemmy from Mental Outlaw so this is my first real dip into the fediverse. I'm hoping it fosters a more diverse array of hobby centered communities than reddit, since the latter has started to feel more homogenous over time.
  
  Tbh at first I was sceptical of Lemmy cuz of the controversy surrounding the devs, but realised that it doesn't apply to other instances

I already have porn popping up on my feed here and there.
Oh boy, tomorrow I will wake up to the best “told you so” moment ever.
- Yeah I had a few of them but they disappeared again
  I also keep seeing a pretty girls sub from lemmynsfw instance that is sfw fortunately
  If I end up seeing porn I'm going to end up blocking the lemmynsfw ~~instance~~ community because I only want to see porn on an alt account specifically for that
  Edit: corrected error because I misremebered "community" as "instance", and of course the markdown isn't working
  
  You can't block an entire instance unless you're the admin of your own instance, at least not yet. You'll have to block communities instead.

It's about time for something better than reddit.
- 💯❤️

It's going to be fun see even the apps that remain no longer being served porn. They're repating the tumblr idiocy. But I understand it's because it's for their planned IPO and investors dislike that stuff.

*ladies and gentlemen, this isn’t reddit pal!

i'm doubting there will be a large exodus... why wouldn't they be here already?
- There will be some but I doubt that it will be huge enough for Reddit to care. People will use their app, generate ad money. People willing to have ads in their experience probably have a higher tolerance for low quality posts, so any moderation changes likely won't be killer. That's my pessimistic take.
  
  I think the moderation changes will affect even the most apathetic user in the end. I'm already seeing some of my subs start locking threads more readily instead of trying to keep the discussion going. If that becomes the norm, the value of Reddit from both a business and user perspective will take a serious hit.
- It took me a while to find the energy to move over to here. I still haven't gone to look for a lot of the equivalent communities that I had on Reddit. Frankly I am still using Apollo as if nothing has changed, despite knowing it will stop working hours from now. I reckon there are plenty of people who need the actual impetus from it stopping working to actually change over to an alternative.

It's been an priviledge.

Change is good. I'm looking forward to the fresh take Lemmy will have.

Hi yeah sorry I'm here slightly early to ruin it for everyone
- Welcome to the world of tomorrow!

I can't even load comments on this post. Who knows if anyone can even read what I'm writing now lol.
It's happening! This is what ~~a DDOS attack~~ peak performance looks like.
- Low Orbit Ion Cannon: initialized
  Target: the nerds

Reddit refuge here. I hope it doesn't crash!
- Try lemm.ee instance and Liftoff. Best combo in my experience.
- one of us... one of us...

another RIF user checking in. Good to have a place to come to. Let's hope this turns into something really good

Man, if you told me a couple months ago, that I would stop using Reddit, I wouldn't believe you. I've been on it over a decade. It took Spez ONE MONTH to undo everything and make that a reality.

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