2y ago

Bodycam: Pregnant woman accused of shoplifting shot by police

www.cnn.com Bodycam: Pregnant woman accused of shoplifting shot by police | CNN

The Blendon Township, Ohio police department released bodycam footage of an officer-involved shooting that took the life of Ta’Kiya Young. Young was accused of shoplifting by an employee and tried to leave the scene. CNN’s Miguel Marquez reports.

Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.

This is murder.

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So some neckbeard republicans are going to come out and say "She should have just complied", but honestly what is the absolute worst scinerio if she WAS shop-lifting? In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR'S license-plate number, track her to her house, then arrest her there when she's clearly cornered? Or just boot her car when it's found again and force her to come to you to get it off?
Because now you've killed a woman and her unborn baby over some God damn groceries.
- The headline "Pregnant lady caught shoplifting groceries; arrested" would already be telling of a society that has gone far over the edge.
  
  In this timeline, the edge is so far gone that it's faded into myth.
  
  I thought it was alcohol?
- If this is a jurisdiction that says embryos are people then that cop executed a completely innocent person.
  
  Shhh... don't point out their own hypocrisy
  
  That would require logical consistency. I would never accuse a republican of such a thing.
- Same exact neck beard republican removed is removed about the injustice of arresting the good boys for Jan 6th.
- What I want to do is make a satirical video game about complying perfectly with a police officer's requests, and show just how hard it is.
  Throw in mixups where the player might be confronted by armed criminals, just to make sure players instill themselves with a sense of self-preservation.
- The argument will be that she was trying to use her car as a deadly weapon because she accelerated into an officer standing in front of the car.
  
  Which falls apart when you watch the cops body cam footage and see that never even happened
- Unsurprisingly you have downvotes too.
- Or, you could deal with the issue when and where it arises? Seriously, some of the commenters here are trying to rewrite history.
  She drove at a police officer dude.
  
  She drove away from a police officer who intentionally stepped out in front of the car.
  Also that's some grade a level hypocrisy right there.

The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they'll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It's totally unnecessary pointless murder.
- It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
  It's an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn't get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.
- Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape.
  Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.
  Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that's right, they want a reason to shoot people.
  
  Are they trying to make the situation worse?
  Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.
- Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone
  This "technique" has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you're better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it's clear they're just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It's you or them.
  
  That's not unreasonable. Maybe under Montana common law argument would work.
  
  I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you're better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first.
  Who upvotes this crap? This is worse than reddit.
- That's what happens when your cops aren't trained in de-escalation.
- Also keep in mind, businesses usually have insurance against theft.

To anyone saying she tried to run over the officer, please watch the body cam footage. She is turning the wheel as much as possible to steer the vehicle away from the officer. On top of that, she pulled forward very slowly. If you were trying to run someone over, you would not give them every opportunity to avoid being hit by the vehicle.
Stop licking boots

I do not understand why it is so common for police in this country to stand in front of a car and then shoot the driver when the car moves. It's a manufactured danger and really does not seem like a smart idea to use your weapon to put a corpse in control of a heavy machine.
- What's not to understand? Their goal is the expression of power, the suspect's escape is completely non optional to them. They are not trained in de-escalation.
  So, by placing their body on the line (in the path of the giant metal machine), they are essentially saying "obey me, or you are willing to kill me if you try to escape". So if you try to escape, you are willing to kill them. So if you are willing to kill them, they are free to defend themselves.
  It is crazy, but consistent logic.
  Remember they aren't there to help, or protect, but to enforce.
- They stand in front so that they can shoot the driver.
  You can't play chicken with someone and then shoot them if you get scared. You have to either swerve or get hit, that's why it's called chicken.
- They don’t care as long as they get to murder someone.
- You do understand why. What you said is exactly why. They are manufacturing a danger so that they are legally allowed to use lethal force against anyone for any small crime. All the police do in the USA is escalate, escalate, escalate
- Because they can, and bootlickers will make excuses for them

Getting shot over shoplifting is insane.
The usa is fucked beyond saving
- I'm fine with enacting a quarantine across the entire united states and allowing those who want to leave to leave
  
  No. They've had their chances. None can leave without rigorous testing first. We don't want to end up with another America just in a different location.
  
  and allowing those who want to leave to leave
  I hope you fare better than other refugees who turn to come here by boat.
  
  BUILD THE WALL
- She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car. The fact that it escalated to that is a pretty bizarre series of events though.
  
  She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car.
  Framed differently, a cop moved in front of her car for an excuse to shoot her. He could just as easily NOT have moved in front of the car and/or have taken a step back like any normally functioning human being would have done.
  
  Shoplifting is not a death sentence. Driving away from police is illegal, but not a death sentence. She's trying to leave? Fine, step to the side, take her plate number, and put out a warrant. At no time was it necessary for him to pull out his gun.
  
  See, people are even defending it. Truly and absolutely fucked fucked fucked.
  
  Why was officer dumbass standing in front of a moving car?
  
  She didn't steal anything. The cop stepped toward the direction she was steering. He even stepped forward as she was attempting to "run him over".
  
  Sounds like that officer hates unborn babies
  
  Your take is scummy and delusional. I don't envy the world you've constructed around you that's so blind and ignorant towards reality
  
  OK cop

American fascists continue to prove their belief that property damage isn't an acceptable response to murder, but murder is an acceptable response to property damage.
- Couldn’t have said it any better
- The social contract is breaking.

Woman scared for her life because officers immediately pointed guns at her for no reason is proven correct when killed by officers for no reason. Just another day in America. Cops just love pulling their guns and using them for no good reason. The only time a cop should be pointing a gun at someone like this is if their life is in immediate danger from that person.
How would society feel if these weren't cops? If a guy just runs up to your car pointing a pistol at your head you aren't going to be calm and rational. It's bullshit we expect anyone to be.
- You can't justify her running from the cops, that was wrong but no where near as wrong as killing her for doing so
  
  I mean, I kinda can. We've all seen too many videos where police officers pull people out of cars in these situations, she was pregnant.... People of color end up dead on the ground outside of that car even if they did nothing wrong, all the time. Even more commonly they get thrown around and beaten. Pregnant woman don't normally want to get thrown around or beaten.
  
  Uhh no I can 100% justify running from cops. Some of them are totally unhinged with a total lack of accountability.
  
  This incident is exactly why that's justified. Her life was in danger, that cop was clearly itching for a reason to kill her or he wouldn't have stepped in front of the car. She ran because it was probably her best chance of not getting killed
  
  When the police are increasingly known and proven to kill people for next to no reason at all, it's quite difficult to blame a person for being afraid of them when confronted.
- when killed by officers for no reason
  Besides trying to run one of them over, you mean? Kinda leaving out some details here.
  
  You watch the video?... Cars get closer to killing me in a parking lot once a month or more. He easily moved out of the way after murdering her. The car was barely moving.

How should this have been handles instead? If she really really doesn't want to comply, You write down her license place, and you let her go.
That simple.
You have her face on video, you have the license plate, it's trivial to then go visit her at her home and have a talk. Hell, follow her if you have to, but not in a high speed chase. Just keep your distance, let her go where she wants to go until she's done.
Worst case scenario, you just let her go.
This extreme focus on that every petty little thing MUST be stopped, every small time offender MUST comply only ends in this. Suffering.
Instead focus on fixing poverty and you know, making sure that pregnant women have all they need so that they don't need to steal? That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?
Oh yeah that's right. We care about unborn fetuses, but born babies can get fucked.
Let this woman have an abortion if she can't afford a baby. Now she doesn't need to shoplift, at least not for the baby
Lift people out of poverty. Push people to be better educated. THOSE are things that will actually lower crime rates but then it means they ml o longer are the common pulp that can stand on
- That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?
  No, we banned abortion to keep controlling women and make sure they keep their head low and their financial situation lower. And it works so well that they have to shoplift, in which case we can justify killing them. Mission accomplished!
  Honestly, fuck humanity.
- It's also a massive waste of money and resources that could be used to fight actual, real crime.
  
  I'm guessing the time and ammo it took to kill her amounts to more dollars lost than she could ever shoplift for. Did the store get their money back? No? Then what the fuck was the point? Who was actually helped that day?
  The point of having police is to make society livable. This seems to be the opposite of that.
  
  But that's dangerous... Real criminals might fight back. Some ~~cops~~ delicate flowers might get hurt.
- Hard shit take: she really doesn't need to shoplift now, for herself or the baby.
- Worth noting that the car didn't have plates according to the Police.
  Hardly the Police job to solve poverty?
  This 21 Year old has a 6 and 3 year old sons. I'll let you do the math on that. But it adds up to before some states had bans.
  Regardless. They should not have drawn their guns since she didn't pose any immediate threat.
  Regardless. Fact of the matter is that the situation only escalated after the police drew their weapons.
  Regardless, her trying to run one of the cops down is only going to end 1 way.
  
  This 21 Year old has a 6 and 3 year old sons. I'll let you do the math on that. But it adds up to before some states had bans.
  First of all, red states made it next to impossible to get abortions even when it was legal. Also, they cost money. Contrary to apparent popular belief, George Soros or the DNC don't just appear to fund every abortion. Or, sometimes people are Catholic, which is fucking stupid, but maybe there's some family shit you don't know about. Especially for a minor trying to get an abortion. Again, contrary to popular belief, they weren't just being handed out for free on every corner to every 16 year old who wanted one. There were still a million obstacles long before the Dobbs decision.
  Second, "I'll let you do the math" is a judgey, self-righteous, and gross statement.
  
  It's indeed not the job for the police to solve poverty and I'm sure this woman has her problems.
  None of that excuses what happened. They should never have pulled their guns. That police officer should not have been standing in front of the car. The woman tried to run away, nit murder a cop. The officer was standing in the most dangerous nokace he could, I'm arguing that that was in purpose. "I'll stand where if you make a move you might kill me, giving me reason to shoot you"
  Even that car not having license plates excuses anything. Then follow her, distantly. She'll stop somewhere, pick her up there.
  Hell, even letting her go is preferable to this outcome. It doesn't matter that his woman had kids since she was 15, it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter that she is poor, uneducated, it's all irrelevant.
  The point is that police in the US is horribly educated, and has a terrible culture. They need to be educated for years, not 6 months. They need to get a culture of "we are to protect and serve" instead of "we are Rambo Cowboy". They need to learn to calm and deescalate every situation they arrive in, not always make shit worse
- She tried to run over a cop. You are out of your mind.

I wonder if the cop will be prosecuted for providing an unlawful abortion.

I mean, could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later? This is shoplifting, not armed robbery.
- She drove forward with the officer directly in front of the vehicle. Regardless of what happened previously, thats an action that could kill someone.
  
  Isn't it kinda stupid of the police officer to put himself in that dangerous position. He could just as well have let her go and find her later or follow her. Trying to stop a car by standing in front of it is imo. just stupid and unprofessional.
  
  The cop deliberately walked in front of her car and pointed a gun at her. She panicked. I'd probably panic too if someone pointed a gun at me. Granted, I probably wouldn't have drove forward, but it was entirely possible for the cop to not have walked in front of her car, for him not to have pulled a gun. It seems like him pulling the gun is what caused this.
  
  Flooring it at someone, yes. Slowly moving forward and turning away, not so much.
  
  Yeah probably not the best to drive at police. Amazed that even needs to be said and isn't obvious to most people

As the fetus is now legally a person and did nothing wrong the officer who fired the shots should be arrested for homicide.
- So double murder and illegal abortion too.
  
  I bet you could probably trick some pro lifers into pursuing this. There's enough true believers.
- If it's not obvious those rules are in place to punish women. Not to protect. They will never ever be applied in a protective way. That's not what they were made for.

Is this where society is heading? Rampant theft resolved with murder to save corporations?
To them, this probably sounds easier than lowering prices, reducing CEO’s millions in pay and propping up stock prices.
- The governor of Florida and presidential hopeful said looters will be shot on sight. So no, it's not where we're headed because we've passed that destination and it's normal. Property is firmly above people.
- There’s a reason why Militech and Arasaka are the biggest players in the cyberpunk rpg universe. Once corporatocracy reigns supreme and public funding is gone they reap profits off private security, as intended. We’re just now seeing the horizon of “defund the police” becoming “hire a PMC as your ‘police force’”
  
  this may surprise you, but the police started out as PMC union-busting operations
  
  Reminds me of the news in cyberpunk 2077 telling how "warning shots to the knee" became legal for police
- Yes. To get back to normality, we must pass through this extreme, which is the necessary counter to defunding and demonizing the police as opposed to holding only the bad ones responsible for their actions. We'll be in this state until we remove qualified immunity. So it will probably take a while.
  
  that's some nazi ass bullshit right there holy shit

That's fucking horrible.
First off, I wish they would show the full uncut raw footage. People need to see the reality of getting shot.
Second, he literally just pulls the gun out and says "get out of the car." Like, what the fuck man? Get out of the car or I'm going to shoot you? For stealing from a fucking kroger? One of the biggest businesses in the US?
Dude. This is bullshit. He needs criminal charges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ending_Qualified_Immunity_Act
If you want this to stop, force your representatives to finally vote this into law.
- force your representatives to finally vote this into law.
  Lol. We'd have to vote for new reps. And as soon as we do, the ruling class just spends more money on campaigns to make sure we don't get any power.

Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery. She's getting a baby soon and is maybe trying to save up because the US has no proper help to offer. Being shot and murdered by the police for a relatively harmles crime is beyond crazy for a society to accept. The policeman should be arrested for murder and abuse of power and Final put behind bars
- She was falsely accused of shoplifting. She didn't actually do it.
  
  True point. The whole scenario is written in such a bad way in the article its completely glossed over, and even I missed that fact. It just makes the whole mess even worse. It could have been anyone that got shot here just for being scared by threatening police officers who are escalating the situation
- Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery.
  As much as I don't think this woman should've been shot, shoplifting isn't usually done by people who "need/have" to and it's also usually items that aren't necessities. Ask anyone who works at an Ulta or makeup section of a department store. In fact, I watched a lady run out of an Ulta into a car that sped off who, according to employees, stole a bunch of perfume and they told me and my girlfriend they were likely going to resell the perfume online.
  
  Sure, sell it to be able to afford some meager amount of groceries for her and her baby. Meanwhile the fat cat cop, who probably ate a breakfast before work, is out there looking for some breakfastless person to shoot to justify the need for him to keep his job.
  We'll frame it however we want.
  
  that's a lie they resell because they need the money to survive
  
  The reasons for shop lifting are many, but it usually boils down to needing money because their daily job isn't enough to get by and live a happy life. Or they can't get a job at all for one reason or another. Desperate people do desperate things.

If you see ~~a pregnant woman~~ anyone shoplifting, no the fuck you didn't.

OMG, I saw this story on FB, AND every fucking comment was praising the cop! Telling her she deserved it for trying to run away.. things like she would have been a terrible mom anyways.. just some awful things while the run their hard ons for the cops... It was sickening... I am 23 weeks pregnant with my second son right now and watching people praise her death because she stole something is so bizarre and jarring... I'm pregnant... What if this was a misunderstanding and he had bad information.. she didn't steal a thing and scared of cops tried to get away and now she is dead.... Cops are fuckiing scary but not as much as people who want this outcome for stealing some groceries
Edit: some of these comments defending the cop, who put his life in danger on his own so he could have the excuse to kill her, is chilling.... You are the reason I made my comment and the reason why I am getting scared of my community.. because too many of the people in society want to see someone from some group they hate, hurt or dead by police.... Fucking sickening. Shoplifting is not an excuse to use lethal force to stop anyone.. the punishment doesn't fit the crime.. people saying it does, are rabid dogs who wish it was them in the cops shoes, feeling powerful.. and that's even more sickening. She left behind a 6 year old because thd pig couldnt have figured out another way to handle the situation.. he failed a basic IQ test and too many people are like.. "Kay, cool". Idiocracy was and is a fucking a documentary and y'all just want a gladiator type entertainment with your own people
- Yeah wtf, she should have left a thin blue streak on the asphalt
- Trying to run over an officer, you mean? She didn't just try and run away, she drove directly towards a police officer.
  
  You really need to reevaluate your thinking if you think untrained civilians have a higher burden than supposedly trained professionals, especially after watching that video
  
  If only cops weren't rooted to the ground and could jump out of the way of a car...
  
  Don't they spend like 1000 hours training people about all the safety precautions of a standard road stop, since it has about a dozen dangers - and "standing directly in front of a suspect's vehicle" ranks somewhere among the dumbest things you can do?
  Heck, I caution myself against doing it even when walking around the city, even if all I want to do is warn someone about an obstacle. I'm no freaking roadblock.
  
  She cranked the wheel all the way away from him. She was trying to go around. Officer "no self preservation" was a dipshit and blocked in a two ton machine with his own body.
  
  Yeah, did people not even watch the footage? You'd have to be braindead to try anything like that to cops nowadays, it's a death sentence

not very pro life if you ask me
- Not a peep from the anti-choicers on this.
  
  That's because they're mostly racist bootlickers and see no problem here.

I’m a firm believer of “if you see someone stealing food, no you didn’t”

The good guy with a gun once again saves the day by shooting a pregnant woman.
God bless America.
- Cops are almost never the good guy.
  
  And seldom ever is anyone with a gun the good guy.
  That title in this situation I think goes to the unarmed ambulance front liners if we're going brass tacks.

Is Ohio a pro-life state? If yes, does this mean the cop can be charged for illegally terminating a pregnancy?

- How do I hide these images?
  They're very obnoxious.

This is way worse than murder. 'Normal' murderers dont swear to protect citizens before killing them.
- Fun fact, they actually have no duty whatsoever to protect people :D
  "In the 1981 case Warren v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty," but that "no specific legal duty exists" unless there is a special relationship between an officer and an individual, such as a person in custody.
  The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty. "
  https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/
  There's also of course the case with the Uvalde school shooting where not only did cops wait outside for hours as students were being picked off, but prevented parents from going in to try to get their kids out.
  ACAB
  
  I’ve seen this before and I think it is worth adding some context too.
  Let’s start with, yea, it leads to absurd result like the clown show in uvalde where I wouldn’t trust that police force to rescue cats from trees.
  But… the other way you can’t have a right to a scarce resource (police protection). Police calls while not exactly random can’t be accurately predicted. It doesn’t make sense for a police force to be liable for failing to protect when they might literally not have the ability to protect. Or, through chance, there are no police officers that can get to the location in time.
  Instead, the point is to rely on the police wanting to actually do their job and have a legal doctrine accordingly. But in our culture it seems that perhaps that is not necessarily a warranted assumption anymore.

every country has cars and police
Yes, but they also have educated and trained police. Here, a candidate must meet the requirements for university, be fit, and psychologically stable before he or she can start a training of three to five years.
Being police is more than just be intimidating and knowing which end of a gun is.the business end.
- Hell, knowing your taser from your gun is too much to ask.

Actually this would be double murder. Now that fetuses are considered full human beings, remember abortions being murder? This is a double murder.
Eh, then again I'm sure that because this was a police officer, Republicans wont care. We must obey the police!
- "Shoplifting" Technically the correct term but the store named is Kroger. That's a grocery store if you don't know. Doubt this pregnant woman was stealing jewelry.
  
  If you steal a bread it's still shoplifting.
  Then again, she was accused of shoplifting, not judged. So she isn't even a shoplifter z she was a suspect at best.

Her unborn child should have had a gun, then it could have shot the cop first

What I see here is a cop trained to shoot to kill at the slightest chance.
I mean, if I ever visit this country and a policeman interacts with me I will pee my pants. Literally*.
*You know, like what "literally" meant in the old times.
- No, actually the total opposite.
  This is yet another example of a police officer getting minimal training, 6 months and here you have a gun, now go be Rambo. Coooool!
  In North western Europe, police officers require good education to even be able to start their police officer education. Then it's 4 years of learning to get to a point that they can call themselves a basic police officer.
  Wanna go anything beyond that? Be a detective? More schooling.
  In the US they explicitly filter on getting dumber people, they give no adequate training at all, don't tech them de-escalation, etc.
  Couple that with a police force that has a ver "we protect eachother over protecting them"
  Couple that with a culture that is much more authoritive. Freedom? Hah! Obey! That kid smokes a joint? Toss him in jail!
  Couple that with a justice system that is much more focussed on punishment instead of rehabilitation.
  Couple that with an endless supply of guns out in the street.
  Seriously, how is anyone surprised that this shit happens all the time?
  
  Maybe some countries in North Western EU, but not North Western Europe. The UK is the most North Western part of Europe and they most definitely do not require that level of competence lol.
- I just have to say, 100% of my interactions with the police have been nothing but on the up and up.
  
  I just have to say, mine have not, and I'm a straight white male.

WTF? I'm thinking of many different ways that this could be handled instead of killing a woman and her unborn baby. Geez!

Maybe shoot the tire first? JFC.
- Kinda difficult when you're on the bonnet of the car, because the driver is trying to run you over.
  
  That dumb fucker put himself intentionally in harm's way, and I'd have a really difficult fucking time believing that it wasn't with the hope that the car would move the tiniest bit so he could shoot her.
  
  you're all over this post like it's your job to paint the victim as the aggressor, hmmmmm......
  
  He got in front of the car on purpose of his own volition then pulled out the gun and shot her.
  She was trying to avoid him, which is why she turned her wheel as much as possible to drive around him.

Anything short of two life sentences would be completely unacceptable. Can't wait for that piece of trash to get suspended with pay. Homicidal scum...

Cowards love guns.

Dave Grossman, a graduate of the school of killology. It's in the title ffs. This is what's being taught to our 'protectors'.

Can't wait for this to blow over in two weeks. People need to start physically fighting against the departments that allow this stuff to happen.

This is run of the mill for Ohio cops. I grew up there, I've seen it all my life. They are a reckless, racist, violent group of thugs with the mentality of the KGB. If you're ever so unfortunate as to find yourself there, and in the presence of one, LEAVE. don't do a fuckin thing that might garner their attention.
They're also fanatical about pulling people over, they'll pull you over for ANYTHING. and if you're not the whitest of white, you're gonna have a real bad time.
just... just don't go to Ohio.

https://imgur.com/gallery/uZGJ2Hu
- Is there a /c/jesuschristlemmy yet? This would be a worthy starter post.
  
  Gotchu fam: !jesuschristlemmy@lemmus.org
- What the fuck is wrong with you
  
  I actually think this a decent piece of left-leaning humor, if a bit dark.
  It makes light of an awful thing that happened (the shooting) and then links it to another awful thing that's happening (abortion bans in America).
  It kind of highlights the absurdity of it all.
  It's like jokes about racism. Decent people know that the jokes are mocking racist people and showing the absurdity, while racists just laugh at the racism part because they don't get it.
  
  Far less than whatever is happening in the post.
  
  What the fuck is wrong with your sense of humor?

If you see some store security dork following people to their cars, make sure you trip them or hit them with a shopping cart.
There have reports of people dressed as police officers kidnapping people exactly this way as well.
- Is the goal to get shot?

what of the officer? will they pass go? the article doesn't say
- Time off with pay until this is resolved, then they get to go back to work like nothing happened.
  If it's the usual anyway.

https://media.tenor.com/B4s6V6JMseQAAAAd/guess-who-america-guess-who-country-edition.gif

Just, fuck.....

How many times am I going to see this article.

What i cannot understand about USA is that they cover as racism, police problems what it is in every other countries labelled as ethnic conflict. They have an empire and multiple ethnicities that hate each others. One of them happear to be black. And they talk about exceptionalism when they are exactly as every other country.

Unpopular take. This seems like a very grey case without a clear right and wrong based on the actions of the accused shoplifter in driving the car. I think there were some questionable split second decisions on both sides.
People shouldn't die over shoplifting. It's pretty clear this shooting was about not about the supporting, but 2 decisions made during the apprehension. 1. The suspect not surrendering and attempting to drive away. 2. The officer standing in front of the car to block egress making a decision when the car moved forward and making contact with his body.
To folks saying the cop could have stepped out of the way or not been there, Id be curious what department training states an officer should do when apprehending a suspect in a parked vehicle. Did the officer follow training and protocol?
- You're right. That is unpopular.
- The officer should have gave a damn about his own life and hers and not stepped in front of a car that could run him over.
  
  What's the protocol and training? Did he follow it? Did the woman have any responsibility to surrender to the police? The video looks like it was a bad cascade of multiple parties making bad split second decisions.

Everybody is at fault here. Her for shoplifting, him for shooting. Both for being fat Americans. What a shithole of a country, fucking nuke it already

It is murder, and the Biden Boomer DoJ won't do anything about it as always

With all of these women being charged with murder for abortions, are we going to see these police punished for killing an innocent bystander (the baby)?
The mother was not innocent in this. A vehicle is a deadly weapon. She fucked around, and found out. I do feel sorry for the unborn child though. I wish there were a way they could have stopped the car non-violently that didn't violate our freedoms. Vehicle immobilizers that police could use seem a ham-fisted solution -- If she was let go, and running from the police as she clearly intended to do, she could have easily harmed someone or killed someone else. Just because you're ready to jump on the "Poleece bad mkay" train...at least look at this further than just the incident at hand. She was fleeing, and probably panicking. She was a harm to others and stopping her was probably the right call. How else are you supposed to stop someone with a 3000lb death machine in a parking lot full of pedestrians?
Where are the people suggesting what could have been done better here? Because I don't see them. I see stupid platitudes of "oh you could have let her go and arrested her at her house"...come on. She was a danger to the pedestrians in the parking lot there. If she was allowed to just try and race home, how many other people could have been put at risk because of her panic?
- It's not police policy to kill fleeing suspects, plenty of jurisdictions even choose not to pursue. So the answer to those questions is that yes, they absolutely could have let her drive away, as some other police forces already do without issue.
  Aside from that, even if they decided to pursue, it is not police policy anywhere to use deadly force to stop a fleeing subject unless it becomes an acute danger to the public. A fleeing subject who has yet to break 10 MPH does not fall under that description, not here, not anywhere.
  And here's a question, if it was such a deadly situation for this officer, how did he not get injured? He was already safely out of the way of the vehicle by the time any of his bullets had an effect. Because he's not a fucking invalid and can side step a car, which he put himself in front of to begin with, pulling out of a parking spot.
  Do you feel safer today because this woman is dead? Does anyone?
  
  Yes, those policies refer to fleeing suspects who pose no danger to the public. Fleeing in a vehicle poses a danger to the public. That's why they pit-maneuver vehicles fleeing on the highway.
  Great, they didn't allow her to break 10mph, it means they did their job.
  The deadly situation doesn't apply JUST to the officer -- they are meant to protect the public. It's just like computer security, someone good at their job doesn't have anything happen. They stop the problem before it becomes a problem. You're not good at your job because you LET the system get infected first.
  Ditto for policing, you don't wait for them to hurt others in order to justify stopping them after - they were already being detained. If you begin driving off with pedestrians around and the police want you out of your vehicle, they have a legitimate reason to stop you using whatever force is necessary.
  If she is just running away? Hell no, the force isn't justified here. It's her being in the car that causes the force to be justified. Same with if a person had a gun, or a knife, she has a weapon...the car.
  So you plan on volunteering to be hit between a car and a wall at 10mph to show how not-deadly it is? Because I'll concede my point if you do. If you don't want to do it, ask yourself why... it's probably because a 3000lb object traveling at 10mph can be deadly; despite your protests to the contrary.
  Nothing that you've stated here can objectively determine that these police officers did anything wrong, your political biases are at play here rather than a good neutral look at reality.
- armed men walk up to innocent woman with guns drawn and scream at her to get out of her car
  she gets scared and tries to drive away
  oH sHE waS a DAnGer tO tHe PubLiC, SerVEs the removed riGhT!!
  You're joking, right? Right?
  
  Nobody called her a removed, first off. Second off, I agree that it's stupid that as a citizen, we're expected to keep calm and act rationally in these kinds of situations. It sucks but it is what it is. My wife got arrested for "DUI" but she and I don't drink or do drugs -- she didn't try and run away, she complied with the officer, got taken to jail, bailed out, and we solved it in front of a jury of her peers. That's how this shit works.
  Additionally, nobody knows if this woman was innocent or not. Claiming that she IS, or ISN'T is bullshit either way.
  If she IS, we should be discussing why our people feel the need to steal in order to survive.
  If she ISN'T, we should be discussing how to keep people calmer during these types of police interactions.
  The facts here are though, that she evaded police with a vehicle that was a potential harm to others, and the police stopped it.
- I do feel sorry for the unborn child though. I wish there were a way they could have stopped the car non-violently that didn’t violate our freedoms.
  This is unacceptable. Ohio won't have exceptions for incest and the health of the mother, but they will have exceptions if the mother allegedly commits a crime and is innocent until proven guilty under our legal system?
  Anyone who is pro life and not furious about this is a fucking craven hypocrite.
  
  I'm not "pro-life". Hell, I don't value human life at all for the most part. Most people are fucking idiot trash. But I do believe that if we're passing laws that put women on murder charges for aborting, police should be held to that same standard. If they kill a child due to their enforcement actions, that should be considered killing an innocent bystander and should be held accountable for that. (And let's be fair, the only reason they want to keep people from aborting is because you're not producing another wage-slave for the nation to work to death)
  Also, obviously I wish this situation turned out differently. I don't want police everywhere to have short-range vehicle immobilizers, because like anything, police WILL abuse any power put into their possession. But on the same hand, I think to myself that maybe if they did have immobilizers, police chases, people running over others with vehicles, etc would be a much more solvable problem. Many police interactions involving cars become dangerous quickly.
  Everyone here on lemmy is so caught up in their own preconceptions that they aren't replying to have a discussion - they're replying to issue their rebuttal because they're caught up in an emotional reaction.
  Ideally this whole incident could have gone better -- but I don't know of a solution that would give the police the ability to detain this woman with the actions she was willing to take. Except obviously my idea of short-range vehicle immobilizers. But if you give that ability to the police, others will find it and hack it, abuse it, etc. So I don't think in the long run it would work.
  You could maybe equip them with some sort of tire-destroying vehicle immobilizer, something that permanently stuck into the tire - but given how tough tires are, it's not something that could easily be carried around.
  The MOST reasonable idea here was that the police shoot her tires out - but I don't know the dynamics between bullets and tires so I'm unsure if that would be dangerous to bystanders or not.

I love threads like this where I get to read all the insane takes from the armchair cops. You have the benefits of knowing all the after-the-fact details and not needing to make a split-second decision, so you think it's just so simple to take your preferred course of action. No, the police are not bloodthirsty murderers who look for any excuse to kill a civilian, but you paint them that way in your head to justify your hatred of them.
- Absolutely bat shit insane take. There is so much video evidence disproving that. Most cops in America are bad people, either directly or indirectly through lack of action. ACAB
  
  Sure, why not take the handful of stories you read every day about bad cops, then extrapolate way outside that range and confidently declare that "most cops in America are bad people", which is 1) subjective, and 2) stated without evidence?
  The cops performing their jobs without getting into trouble don't make the news.
  
  whoa there with the most part. You probably haven't even met or read about even .001% of the cops here. I am no fan of the type of person who is driven to be a cop, but they usually aren't inherently bad. Some get that way after having to deal with the scum the courts let back out onto the streets, which usually by the way isn't the scums fault they are scum... shotty upbringing because parents are trying to make ends meet does that. His take is certainly leaning heavy blue. But you don’t have to dive in the other direction to counter it. Take the high road.
- Buddy. This was because someone shoplifted.
  The way you talk makes it seem like every cop in the field would have had to draw a gun on this woman. That’s laughable.
- Or you could not put your body in front of a car as a means to stop it? Maybe don’t intentionally put yourself in harms way, giving you an excuse to murder?
  
  That was foolish, certainly, but it doesn't in any way justify trying to run someone over.
- No, the police are not bloodthirsty murderers who look for any excuse to kill a civilian
  gets in front of car
  pulls out gun
  "GET OUT OF THE CAR"
  shoots
  SHE WAS TRYING TO RUN ME OVER
  the police are not bloodthirsty murderers who look for any excuse to kill a civilian
  Anyways, this is just a bunch of racist trolls.

Attempted murder. Officers stopped her before running him over.
- No, the cop managed to murder just fine.
- Don’t stand in front of the car, dipshit
  
  It's funny because if a riot was happening and a cop rammed his car into the crowd - as has happened many times - this same person would be saying what you said.
  
  His skirt was too short! He was begging to be run over!
- Her car was well past that officer before his bullet hit her. The only one who attempted murder was the officer, and that was a successful attempt.

The video totally clears the police, as I expected. She thought she had the right to run over a police officer to avoid getting arrested for a very minor crime. She chose to put his life at risk by using her car as a weapon and she paid the price for it. Horrible, horrible decision by her.
- Alright time to run out into traffic and start shootin in self defense.
  
  The police have the authority to stop cars, you don't.
- Ah, yes. Because killing a pregnant woman over groceries is totally the right move
  How do those boots taste?
  
  They didn't kill a pregnant woman over groceries, as the video shows. She was shot while attempting to run over a police officer.
- Cop used his body as a lever to play chicken with her and get to shoot.
  He could have never stepped there, recorded her plate, and arrested her after.
  If she had cornered him with the car at no fault of his own that would be different. But he chose to be in front.
- How’s that boot taste?

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