Russia has 'right to war' with 'each and every' NATO country

I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?

They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…

Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.

The toys we're sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have...and they're fighting against a force that's getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war...all it would need to do is attack NATO.
- Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.
- 72? Pretty generous. I'm pretty sure we have more HARM missiles than they do S400 SAM batteries.
- There’s also the option that it’s going to be a 30-ish minute war. 50-ish if the other side manages to get their counter value force airborne.
- Or the big guns. If they start attacking the nuclear powers, things are going to get very spicy very quickly.
He is a puppet. It's hard to think with Putins hand so far up your ass.

Good news then: If you go to war with one NATO member you get war with the rest of them absolutely free!

For 4 Easy payments of 19.95 you too can get your shit pushed in by 31 different countries, with the added bonus of having someone else raise your children.
- They have the right to, but not the capability
And we've seen what third tier NATO gear did to Russia. Wait until they see the second string stuff.
- not to mention russia spent the whole time complaining about NATO helping ukraine

Can’t even take on Ukraine, you want to come at every other western country? Lol

Russia is the irritating kid down the street who just broke his nerf gun so he's threatening to throw the darts at you instead and tell his mom you're not invited to his birthday party...

Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you

Because we all know the Soviet Union and Russia are exactly the same thing and the Russian military is definitely as powerful and as capable as the Soviet Union, no doubt. Please pay no attention to the complete lack of victory in Ukraine.

When has either the Soviet Union or Russia “won” anything in the last 150 years?

Their “win” in WWII was throwing as many bodies as possible and starving their own cities to delay the Germans long enough for winter to set in.

Soviet casualties were 4.5x higher than Axis casualties in operation Barbarossa. They lost 21k aircraft to 2800 for the Germans. 20k tanks destroyed vs 2700 for the Germans. And 4.5 million casualties compared to 1 million for the Germans.

I wouldn’t call that “burying” anyone. The biggest effect it had was weakening the Germans enough for the Allies to finish the job on the Western Front and bail the Soviets out.

The Soviets lost in Afghanistan in the 80s because of the US funding the Mujahideen.

Their biggest victory in the last century was taking Crimea because nobody else stepped up to help Ukraine like we are now.

Russia has nukes. That’s it. Beyond that they’re worthless militarily.
Hey, now. If not the capabilities of the soviets, at least they're still using the same tech.
Russia doesn't need a victory, it needs a long running war. Because this war is bringing Russia shitloads of money.
- Ah yes it's making Russia so much money which is why their economy is in perfect condition and the ruble is worth more than ever!
- Is that why they now talk about war with NATO? So they get even richer?
- Lol

Maxim Katz has explained that these kinds of deranged declarations are not directed at us. They are a kind of symbolic self-humiliation of Medvedev to prove to Putin that he is still loyal. It's "look I am willing to appear so wretched and ridiculous to the foreigners, I could not possibly be a threat to you, I am not some kind of alternative that could replace you, I am such a silly man, please don't throw me out of a window".

Speculation runs that Dimi has been told by the Tsar that if he acts like the tough guy he isn't with enough bravado, he'll be allowed to sit in the big boys' chair and pretend to be president again.

The second greatest army in Ukraine wants to mess with Nato? LOL

War has fuck-all to do with rights. If you're going to attack a NATO country we will beat your ass back into the stone age without mercy, your nukes won't save you if you dare cross that line.

No but they'll sure kill a lot of us, whichever ones still fire and hit their marks at least. Who's to say if they've maintained their stock over the decades.

And the citizens will be told the whole time about how it's some plot to destroy them as people, to stoke the flames.

An actual war with Russia wouldn't end well for anyone short of having an internal coup with an actual plan for government afterwards instead of this slow handoff of power from one authoritarian dictator to the next.
- an actual war with russia wont end well for russia, thats about it. even russia isnt dumb enough to try nuclear war

So has Denmark.

Though it would be funny ig Russia didn't. Imagine Putin declaring war on Poland and Poland just saying "no, it's against the law."

Being invaded? Just say no - they legally cannot take your territory without your consent.
It will be the special special operation.
- Special Operation 2: Electric Nazi-loo

I mean... he's not wrong? They could have a war with NATO any time they wanted it. Russia could have war with NATO whenever they want it. They've been very careful to not actually DO that, of course. Last thing they need is to start losing another one with someone who won't have any difficulty in bringing the full conflict right to them.

It's a very "hold me back, bros" sentiment. Only his bro, singular, is Belarus.

But do they have the ability to war? 🤔

They can't even fight a small country like Ukraine and they want to test the might of a fully armed and optional ~~Battlestaion~~ NATO alliance? Do they believe that anyone really believes them?

Ukraine is no small country, either in terms of area or population.
- And foreign aid
- Lol what?
  
  Ukraine is tiny. It's roughly the same size as Texas and has roughly the same population as California. Alaska is larger than Ukraine.
  
  Its the functional equivalent of Russia trying to invade Texas and failing. It's a massive embarrassment for a former super power that likely can't ever be recovered from.
  
  I'm going to guess you are European, as I've found most Europeans don't understand the size of countries outside of Europe.
Gotta love those optional ~~battlestaions~~ NATO alliances.

History's on their side? Boy do I have news for him...

Well, recent history involves a lot of wars kicking Russians ass. Afghanistan, Chechnya, Ukraine...

And everyone has the right to shoot back. Not sure why such a declaration comes across as so one sided.

I mean... I can't see any issue with NATO not stopping Ukraine from invading its own territory... the territory the UN recognizes as part of Ukraine... and which Russia signed three separate treaties promising to respect as part of Ukraine.

Not doubting you for a second, but can you point me to the treaties? I seem to have to convince people over and over on this service that Ukraine is an independent country with recognized international borders.
- Yes of course... Russia acknowledged Ukraine's borders and territorial integrity when:
  
  Ukraine was admitted to the UN in 1945 with its current borders (which Russia could have vetoed).
  
  Ukraine's sovereign status and territorial integrity were guaranteed in the Belovezha Accords in 1991, which recognized the dissolution of the USSR and the borders and sovereignty of the former member states.
  
  Ukraine agreed to transfer control of its 4,700 nuclear weapons to the Russian Federation in exchange for guarantees by the US, UK, and Russian Federation that they would not threaten to use (or use) military force against Ukraine... in the Budapest Memorandum in 1996.
  
  Russia specifically recognized Ukraine's sovereignty in Crimea when Ukraine agreed to lease it military bases there (and split the Black Sea fleet, stationed in Crimea, 50/50 in 1997) in the Partition Treaty.
  
  The two countries agreed not to declare war on one another, to treat each other's territory as inviolable and to prohibit the use of military force to resolve any future territorial disputes in the same year's Treaty of Friendship.
  
  Russia agreed to "final borders" in January 2003 (which include Crimea, Kherson, etc)
  
  As you know, Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014; they signed a ceasefire in 2015 once again confirming Ukraine's territorial integrity, but this was almost immediately violated, so I'm not sure I'd even count it.
  
  Hope it helps. The three that were top of mind for me were 1991, 1996, and 2003.
- One of them is the Budapest Memorandum
  
  Not sure which are the other to. Perhaps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Protocol
  
  It's always fascinating to hear Putin talk about "history", and "denazification". You know the truth, so you can observe a mad man lying, and perhaps believing it. Like a child telling an obvious lie, convinced he pulled it off. Except, much less cute and a lot more terrifying.

Nobody is stopping them from exercising that right against any NATO country. What about Poland? They have been a historical nuisance, Dimi. Just shoot a rocket at a farm somewhere, but make it intentional this time.

These dumbfucks can’t manage a war with Ukraine. To state the obvious.

They're managing the war just fine.
- Are you enjoying your Lada?

A right to war? Are you fucking high?

“Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?” - Mr. Blonde.

"Mister Krushchev said, "We will bury you" I don't subscribe to this point of view It'd be such an ignorant thing to do If the Russians love their children too"

-Sting
Michael Madsen is awesome as Mr Blonde. Such a fucking psycho.

Mate, you can't even win against a non-NATO country, that happens to be the poorest in Europe.

But sure, you have the right to have a war with everyone. Even if we all know you can't.

A house cat has the right to attack a lion as well...

Well, yeah. Everyone has the right to make bad decisions

Oh no, we're all gonna be totally dead in 3 days. Remember how they took Kiev in 3 days? Flawlessly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev
- Ya got me, my point is rendered completely irrelevant by this spelling error. I will now go die in a hole like the dirty subhuman that I am.
  
  I am ready to be buried, sir.

... I mean, ok?

Come get some.

Oh don't bother. Medvedev is a joke. Always has been. I tell you this as a Russian.
You know, it makes me wonder if we'd even need troops in the conflict zone. We probably can use drones and satellite to find the enemy, then use drones to elimate them. It's not asymmetrical warfare like Afghanistan or Iraq.

How are they gonna have time to bury anybody when they're busy burying hundreds of thousands of citizens they force to go to war for them?

Sure. And the mouse has the right to war with the elephant. But it's not a very clever thing to do.

Krushchev is an interesting person to quote here. Wasn't he stripped of power by an empire that would utterly collapse within 20 years of his death?

Just claiming you have the right doesn't mean you actually have the right. Ask January 6 trumpers for more information on that subject.

On another point: just because you can doesn't mean you should. You can kick a Lion in the balls but that doesn't make it a great idea.

Then again, I'm sure Russia's leadership knows this and right now is just posing like an 8th grader bragging about his uncle being a navy seal because holy shit, Russia is fuuuuuuucked.

For the next decades it will be busy pulling itself together, trying to rebuild an international economy that doesn't rely 100% on unsustainable practices of just selling all it's minerals, getting rid of the reputation that Putin gave it, trying to rebuild a military that isn't the laughing stock of the world... And all that is assuming that the country doesn't fall apart, doesn't dove into civil war and that say, china doesn't decide it likes the taste ofmsome of the pieces that are left.

Russia is fubar, and right now Ukraine is the victim, butt within this decade, the innocent Russian citizens will be the victims of it all

Are the Russian citizens all that innocent? Those that are born into it, of course. Is it all paid shills and fear that results in 80% approval rating for Putin and this war?
- I deeply despise the nationalist gangsters that make up the Russian elite, but this blaming of "Russian citizens" is either incredibly stupid or downright fascist. What do you propose to do to 116 million people (80% of 146 million) as punishment for ...approving Putin? What kind of court are you envisioning? What kind of procedure for establishing what kind of guilt? And even if we do accept the utterly moronic idea that there is guilt in a population like that, how do you separate the guilty from the remaining 30 million "innocent" people? Or is the arbitrary "punishment" of 30 million innocents an inconvenient side-effect of your spite?

Freedom of ~~Speech~~ War doesn't mean Freedom from Consequences!

What consequences? The only consequence Russia has today is a booming economy.
- Hahahaha

Okay...? Why would you want to though? Just want to kill a lot of people for no other reason than, "but I have the right to!"

You have the right to guzzle bleach if you choose also... just sayin'.

Going to war isn't about rights. Rights are a soft power thing while war is purely about hard power. What is he even trying to say here? Like if there was a right and lack of a right to war, what would they look like? What would the functional difference between the two be?

It's psyops, nothing more. They perceive it as "playing the west's game" in a double bid to stoke their own citizens and trip up NATO counterparts by using "western" language against them.

The right in this context is invented: A projection of hard power through the lip service of soft power.

Feel free to exercise that right at your convenience

Has everyone in Russia forgotten about mutual assured destruction? Or are they old and susceptible to COVID and just plan to take everyone else with them?

Surely they're not insane enough to think they could win at sea or land against multiple first world nations.

🎶Dumb ways to die 🎶

So Dmitry. Found something to say from the bottom of the bottle again, eh?

And not even 15 years ago this russkie was hailed as the dovish counterpart to Putler.

He knows Glasgow is part of NATO, right? No-one sane is offering that lot outside.

If you go to war with one NATO country, you go to war with all NATO countries.

The only interesting question here isn’t how the war will go, it’s how the NATO countries will get to divide up the spoils after Russia is crushed.

i dont think putin could window his way out of that loss if it where to ever happen

This guy called it a war! To prison with him!

Given how reliable their "advanced weaponry" has been in Ukraine, I expect many of their nucks are non functional so if they go to war, Russia will become a giant radioactive hole while the rest of the world will escape annihilation. Can somebody please just take out Putin FFS?

Nah man. Nobody wants that. Are you willing to let it be you that gets nuked? Your family, your children, your home?
- Read my last sentence??

I'd like to see you do that, mr. Medvedev.

Sure Buddy

Lol, might as well change his surname to Kim Jong.

Good luck with that...

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The former Russian Prime Minister - widely seen as a stopgap for Vladimir Putin - repeatedly takes to social media to write provocative and inflammatory statements about the Ukraine war and its Western allies.

In Tuesday's tweet, Medvedev warned the "apocalypse" was "drawing nearer", quoting biblical verse and old Soviet leaders.

“We are remembered until we stand in the others’ way,” attributed to Vladimir Lenin, who led the Bolshevik Revolution and was the first leader and founder of the Soviet Union.

Medvedev, Russia's Deputy Chairman of the Security Council, ended the tweet with a notorious quote from former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev made to Western ambassadors in 1956, which reads: "Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side.

Most of Medvedev's past threats have rung hollow or provoked ridicule online from large numbers of social media users.

He added Poland was "temporarily occupied", alluding to NATO presence inside the country, which includes 10,000 American troops, according to AP.

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Oh god how I hope they fucking try it

Why do you want a third world war?
- Because sometimes you just need to hit someone to get a lesson to stick. Like we did to Hitler.
- Eh, maybe a nuclear winter will help stave off some of this global warming.

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The only way the Russian army would bury NATO is in the collective wave of shit which would emanate from their pants if they actually faced real Western military action

But do you have the ability?

Except they really don’t. There’s no casus belli that passes the smell test.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_aggression

Sure, Jan

Look who is back from alcohol coma

I'm torn between "oh yeah? that's crazy" and "oh god we're all going to nuke each other"

Technically he's correct about the right, NATO agreed not to expand east back in the day and then violated that. I haven't seen the evidence that they could bury everyone though.

There was no such promise.

Stop spreading Kremlin propaganda.
- The topic of 'NATO expansion' was never discussed; it was not raised in those years. I am saying this with a full sense of responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country brought up the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact had ceased to exist in 1991. -- Gorbachev
  
  So yeah this is another case of russia bending history to fuel their victim complex.
- Yes they did. Stop believing Social media trash propaganda you support.
Is it expansion if people are clamoring to join you?
- no, but technically yes! Not like Russia needs to justify anything based on truth if that's what they decide to do anyway though.

Russia has 'right to war' with 'each and every' NATO country - Medvedev