3d ago

Firefox is really innovating

Toot

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free bottom surgery :3

Well, I still haven't seen any AI in my Firefox and I'm planing on using it until I will.
- Hold your click for at least one second on any link and it will show a preview of the link and suggest you to use AI to describe it
  
  I genuinely thought you said "hold your dick for at least one second"
  
  Settings > scroll down to "General" > look at the options under "Enable link previews". You can turn the previews off altogether or just turn off the AI part
  
  So it's entirely optional, you only encounter it by interacting with the browser in an atypical way, and the thing it does is a thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)? Sounds like they couldn't stop themselves from joining the dick hammering bandwagon, but decided not to hit it too hard.
  
  Good I learnt something today. 😏
  
  It doesn't.
  
  Solution:
  about:config > browser.ml.enable = false
- There are a bunch of flags in about:config you can check as well, if you wanna be extra sure they're turned off. Just search for browser.ml. There are more but this was all I could capture in one screenshot. Bold means I had to change it, which means it was on by default. That said I'm using CachyOS repos, not the direct Arch ones.
  
  You only need to set browser.ml.enable to false.
- The article does say that we should always be able to turn off the AI part.
- Arch Linux package maintainers seem to have disabled it by default unless I did something and forgot

Save us ~~Ladybird~~ Servo, you're our only hope.
- Too bad it's made by someone who promotes 'great replacement' theory and stands with fascists.
  
  So what alternative do you suggest?
  
  Since the comment you were responding to was edited to strike out "Ladybird" and write "Servo" instead, would you mind editing your comment to clarify you are talking about Ladybird and not Servo?
  
  Holy hell. I knew about the gender neutral pronouns debacle. Didn't know there are more..
  
  Lemmy isn't much better.
  Edit: If people don't know what I'm referring to, this comment sums it up well.
  
  Are we supposed to only use products and services from people whom we agree with completely on their full set of personal beliefs?
- What about Servo?
  
  Any good browsers that use it available yet?
  
  still mozilla
  edit: I get it, stop replying
- Just disable the feature or use one of the great Firefox forks like Librewolf or Waterfox. Maybe even Iceweasel.
- The world has really gone to shit if the cryptobrowser is our only hope

Waterfox it is.
- Long ago, the Four Fox Nations lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Firefox Nation attacked.
  
  A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new developer, a script kiddy named Aang. And although his python skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to save anyone. But I believe Aang can save the world.
  
  Haven't heard of this before 😮
- I just got Waterfox this morning. Pretty dope
- there is a mobile waterfox too now
  
  Does it have ublock?
  
  It's the only browser I have on my phone, it works beautifully.
- Waterfox is Firefox.
  
  I'm holding out for EarthFox
  
  Its a fork and they can choose to include the changes they want from upstream. They've come out and said they're not adding this AI bullshit. Librewolf has done the same.
  So yes, base is firefox, but it's not actually Firefox, in the same way edge uses chrome as its base (not exactly, but similar)
  
  It's a fork of Firefox.

They’re not perfect, but having a real alternative engine matters more than people realize.
- Then use Waterfox.

OK, what happened?
- https://www.pcmag.com/news/mozillas-new-ceo-its-time-to-evolve-firefox-into-an-ai-browser
  
  I really hope Firefox gets forked, and ends up like OpenOffice
  
  “AI should always be a choice—something people can easily turn off." “It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.”
  How does he not get how contradictory these positions sound. Really a missed opportunity to brand themselves as the browser without AI bullshit and gain users who want to get away from that crap. Sure, they promise it'll have an off switch, but even if that's true, they're still wasting a lot of their very limited budget pursuing it. Really shows where their priorities are.
  
  At least they seem commited to keep it a choice instead of the mandatory crap that pops up everywhere. Choice is fine, and maybe it helps to get Firefox back onto peoples computers so they keep their seat at the table when important decisions regarding the web are made.
- New CEO promises to bring AI to Firefox
  Mozilla names insider Enzor-DeMeo as CEO, looks to add AI features to Firefox
  
  New CEO Enzor-DeMeo brings out hammer and cock with the promise smack Mozilla's cock with a hammer and ruin everything.

Yeah I'm switch off Firefox finally. I tried Floorp it does have some the same AI stuff you have to turn off. Waterfox doesn't have it in at all. So Waterfox it is.
- Waterfox is my favorite for sure, very lightweight too.
  
  Discord doesn't like it when it comes to voice-chat in the Android app, sadly (even though I know we should all leave Discord, but Revolt and Matrix can barely hold candles to the flame of its incredibly sophisticated streaming system), but yes, I've been on Waterfox for some time now.
- For future readers, yes, Floorp is a real browser
  
  Honestly the way they (by default) change home tab background for each visit is absolutely adorable.
  All my 'puters have Water, Wolf, and Floo.
- Floorp
  I don't think I will ever be able to pass past this name. It's a name of something that sci-fi comedic cartoon will create for a passing joke.
  
  Feels like 'plumbus'
  
  I actually use floorp. It's literally the most customizable Firefox fork. It's the only Firefox fork that allows me to have my tab bar exactly correct the way I want it.
  But yeah name's stupid. I kind of love it though. It's so non-serious

I could never not use zen or the similar browsers
- Looks nice but how's the ad blocking performance? I'm currently using Librewolf with ublock origin and a pi-hole and I basically never see ads anymore
  
  I just use uBlock Origin with Zen and I never see ads. Not sure if it works on Youtube or any other streaming sites as I do not use any of them.
  
  you'll have about the same experience with zen+ublock, all told. obviously there's more advanced privacy features you'll lose, but your advertising experience will be about the same, nearly if not identical
  
  Wow 👏

I hope enough people remain on this AI infested ghost ship that it can keep providing a base for librewolf.

tbf, firefox left the room years ago.

"Firefox is evolving into an agentic browser, connecting devices, cloud, and AI to unlock intelligent productivity and secure work anywhere. Join us at #MozillaIgnite to see how frontier firms are transforming with Firefox and what’s next for the platform. We can’t wait to show you!"
- #MozillaIgnite
  Do you think this is a cry for help?
  
  Here's a complementary can of gasoline and blowtorch. It would be a shame if something happened to spill the gasoline on me. And then light the blowtorch. A real shame.
- Ugh, even the corporate false chipper voice.

I know I'm gonna get a lot of flack for suggesting this, but Vivaldi feels like what Firefox should have been. More customizability, less AI and sponsored crap. They are the only major browser offering an option for a small, reasonably sized tab bar rather than the tab bars with 3 layers of padding and more whitespace than text.
Additionally, Vivaldi doesn't pester you with twice-a-day update pop-ups or worse, the dreaded "Restart to keep using Firefox," it just gets out of your way like a good browser should.
- Vivaldi is not open-source, so it shouldn't even be considered as an option. Try !waterfox@programming.dev!
  
  Yup go Waterfox. Truely open and a fork of Firefox. It's the best we have unfortunately.
- Is it chromium? If yes than pass. Did everyone forgot when Google tried to use chromium to take control with this bullshit?
- I tried it before, it was buggy and my tabs locked up. Also since its based on chrome, its very nerfed when it comes to powerful plugins. I didnt like it. My first impression was positive but no, it feels very bloated.
  But if you like it and you feel its better than Firefox for you, thats a good thing.
- On the other hand they literally built an email client into their web browser. I don't think they've met scope creep they didn't like.
  I think floorp and zen are trying to be the Vivaldi of Firefox but with less...stuff.
  
  Netscape 3 with integrated mail and news is still the best internet experience that's ever been conceived or designed or implemented. Communicator screwed it all up less than a year later but it was the best while it lasted.
- Waterfox
- Good, good💯
- i use vivaldi as well. seriously!
- Vivaldi is by far the best browser out there. Its customizability and tab handling is second to none. Anyone not giving it a spin are missing out. Yes, their UI is proprietary, but out of all the things to be concerned about, this aint it. They are based in Norway and made by software engineers who worked on Opera browser who out of principle just wants a good browser which is not in corporate hell.
  Seriously give it a try.
  
  If i cant use uBlock origin on a browser, it cant be my primaryb browser.
  
  Vivaldi is by far the best browser out there
  Maybe among the wheelchair bound browsers that don't let you properly block ads.
  
  I stopped using Opera more 15 years ago, shortly before they dropped their own engine.
  I did like their customisation options, 20+ years ago they were the only browser supporting mouse gestures too.
  But I see no reason why would I want to use what's basically chromium, especially bcs of ad blocking.
  \ Y'all just live with ads? (I don't think sinkholes catch everything.)
  Additionally I do not want to support proprietary code if I don't have to.

The image is nearly 10 months old!
Anyone that is not using Libre Wolf or equivalent should be to take advantage of the wonderful privacy suite.
- Haven't heard of that before 😮

LibreWolf looks good these days.
As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick "official" toot to then pin: we haven't and won't support "generative AI" related stuff in LibreWolf. If you see some features like that (like Perplexity search recently, or the link preview feature now) it is solely because it "slipped through". As soon as we become aware of something like this / it gets reported to us, we will remove/disable it ASAP.
https://chaos.social/@librewolf/115716906957137196
- Can it sync my password and history from Mozilla’s servers? I’d switch in a heartbeat.
  
  Yep. Is basically a firefox stripped from junk. Just remember is very stick on privacy, if something is not visible or some pics don't upload, you just have to enable the site permission from the icon in the navigation bar.

Librewolf is great. Pretty much the same as Firefox without the shit.
- Yeah but its a soft fork, inherently dependent on mozilla.
  Mozilla is circling the drain, determined to drive away the last of its users.
  
  Who cares if it’s a soft fork as long as it’s open source? The point is to keep the fork clean and if Mozilla fails, the community can just take it over.
- What's the migration process like?
  
  Pretty much transparent.

That's why I use Internet Explorer 7
- Me too
- What's wrong with IE11?

AI is like human genitalia. I only like it when I'm in the mood for it, and I don't want it shoved in my face at any other time.
- chef's kiss

Gallagher and his sledge-o-matic have entered the chat

I'm still angry that an (optionally) AI browser isn't the worst idea as a headline/dev direction ... if you don't read any further than the headline that is.
I do want or eventually will need some local, foss AI to deal with all the megacorp bs AI that will be just everywhere on the internets (I can't humanly fight the increasing megacorp slop, I need/will need my own AI to help me fight and navigate it, as a freedom necessity).
\ Someone pls work on that, I don't want to live in an internetless cave/woods for the rest of my life (the cave/woods is what I wish for regardless, it's just a question of my need for internet access).
But no, they decided to hammer their dicks with all the megamatacorp AIs. I mean, it's prob marginally better than to forward ppl to sites or Chrome, but it's not a thing that you would want publicized as a major step/direction, it's at the very least distasteful.
- Pretty sure the translate feature is using local ai, which I think is great! Its not as accurate as others, but a lot more trustworthy at least
- You will never guess who already did that.
  https://github.com/mozilla-ai/llamafile
  
  Oh, qewl, that is almost what I meant if they pivot that way.
  (Something seems familiar with this, but can't even decide if I heard about it before or not. If it would integrate in the everyday browsing experience without too much extra external data, this could eventually be the help I spoke about.)
- It's a fucking infection is what it is.
  Even HomeAssistant, which is literally meant to be the open source alternative to all the big tech megacorp enshittification, is now vibe coding their server core and most major plugins, as I found out recently.
  They're also censoring discussion about it on their forums, when I tried bringing it up- everything hidden as 'off topic.'
  A complete betrayal of their users, imo.

I suggest they should also bring back continuous scrolling, it makes browsing and reading easier there.

The only reason I use Firefox is because it has my chaterbate password saved on it and I can't remember it.
- you can see all passwords saved in firefox.
  
  😐 well son of a removed!

I can't contain my excitement for the new modern AI browser, Microzilla Firepilot (stolen from phoronix). Best of all, every AI functionality is opt-out, so you don't have to waste time turning them all on.
Google's browser will be left in the dust!!!
Now that is innovation. Good job, new Firefox CEO.

I swapped for librewolf and enjoy all my shit still there. With ungoogled chromium for those sites that has some insane reason for the site breaking down when you look at it with anything but a missionary get. Trying helium too but yeah my Firefox is customized out the wazoo

They just can't help themselves, eh?

This is sensationalist bullshit.
- how so?
  
  In that all that happened is that Firefox is considering adding optional opt-in features that use AI, and people are acting like they've just declared they're cancelling the entire app and replacing it with some imagined AI slop

The toot does explain nothing!!!
Why is the hammer there?
EDIT: /s people... I am totally tired today I forgot to add it....
- I think you meant to type "Why is the hammer there?", so I'll explain that:
  "Hitting your penis with a hammer" is a metaphor for doing something obviously terrible. In this case, chasing the latest fad of the month, AI.
  
  Yeah god damn typo and I forgot the /s
  I hate Firefox for adding ai...
- Awww, you’re so confuuused! I jus wanna squeeze ya 🥰
  
  Thanks you clearly understood the joke! (Maybe I forgot the /s? dont get all the downvotes...)
  Also yaaay I wanted to be squeezed! But please not to hard... Otherwise I fart.

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