AOC leads JD Vance for first time in 2028 election matchup: poll

Because he gets a baseline of like 35% just for having R next to his name.

Objectively during the VP debate I'd say he had more charisma than Walz if you're dumb.

He can command a stage, but he was saying utter nonsense while doing it. Basically he said things well, but if you actually listened to his words you should see through it.

Unfortunately too many people are just there for the performance and not the facts.

It's how 2016 Trump beat Hillary imo. The man was an actor and basically just did crowd work. Anyone with 2 braincells could see through it but well that's not enough people

He has the backing of Big Couch

Even when ordering a doughnut. It’s sad.

Historically strong state men love minorities and Jewish in particular

/s

I really want him to think he's going to run again so that he'll undermine anyone else that tries to run. And then he can croak or something after ruining the primaries and getting his followers to hate any would be successor.

I don't even think Trump can legally be president today.

And on top of what you said, there's also the possibility that Trump will be alive but too senile to run.

I agree but I don't think Trump's body will hold out that long before collapsing from being treated like the dumpster it is.

We've proven we don't like centrist women with status quo platforms pretty convincingly. Anything more is speculative imo.

The women who were presented to America had many more problems than their gender. I'm not discounting the reality that a woman has to be exceptional to be considered adequate by the electorate, but "America will not vote for a woman" is true until it's not.

America voted for Clinton

Nah, I just think you personally are sexist and are looking to voters to validate your beliefs. Americans will vote for a women candidate. They just won't vote for an uninspiring third way Democrat, whether they have a vag or not.

The only women they had to choose from were members of the establishment.

Let's get a progressive out there and that way we have more data and can be more scientific about our analysis.

He's a Peter Thiel project. They met when Vance was in either college or law school. Shillbilly never would have met any of those people without Thiel's help. Probably would never even have gotten a book deal trashing his family.

For anyone that isn't aware of it: Hillbilly Elegy

At first I misread that as Howard Stern.

I was imagining him sitting around with a couple of strippers making a bunch of couch fucker jokes.

i mean she would have to, if she wanted to live.

And notice how that was irrelevant to his election and then later opinion polls? Tankies are a tiny sliver of the progressive left. Like my entire real life social circle leans strongly progressive and not a single one even filters through the shadow of a tankie position. People who would literally like Communism to be on the political table still aren't tankies.

That doesn't mean progressives are irrelevant, just that 'tankies' are used as a Boogeyman by conservative online Democrats to simultaneously explain all their failures while also saying we should keep listening to them when they counsel doing exactly the same thing one more time.

Then they need to stop claiming that their threats make a difference.

That's what's so disgusting and I fear.

Gavin Newsom is pro-Israel, pro-billionaire and pro-blue MAGA while also being anti-universal healthcare, anti-taxing the rich and anti-charisma when left to his own vices.

My sincerest fear is a repeat of the 2020 primaries. Ro Khanna or some other Bernie esc politician will run for the ticket and the left will once again divide themselves into oblivion. Bernie could still have won 2020 if the left didn't stupidly allow itself to split between Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, and Andrew Yang.

Instead Newsom will win because the left loves defeat and hates unity.

Gavin will lose, so I hope you're wrong about that.

This argument is frequently made on Lemmy. I’d like it to be true. But I just don’t know.

Makes sense in places like California or New York. But I don’t know about places in the Midwest e.g.

I mean, there was Sanders and look at what the Dems did to him. I don't think Hillary and Kamala are any better than Biden or Clinton either.

Your line of thinking got us Kerry, Clinton, and Biden.

It got us Biden. I think you underestimate how much institutional support Kerry and Clinton had in the run up to their nominations. Kerry wasn't even that bad of a candidate on his face. He just got railroaded in Ohio the same way Gore did in Florida, while everyone in national media threw up their hands and proclaimed "Too Liberal!"

You are wrong. This is literally the worst time to be offering up a "first time for.." candidate. The stakes are way too high to run that experiment. I love AOC and think she'd be a fine president, but at this time of hate and misogyny, she is too great a risk.

Not sure if you've been paying attention but Americans chose a felon rapist insurrectionist pedophile over a more qualified woman the last two times a woman has been on the ballot.

Read the room.

If we run a woman, we will lose. And that doesn't even take into account that many people who aren't liberals (independents) do not like AOC because they believe she is too liberal.

I think you're mostly right, but being women had to be at least a few percent of it.

Harris wasn't the "most unlikeable" by a long shot, but she was certainly a solid "meh".

You are commenting on an article which is discussing only whether or not AOC could win the presidency years away based entirely on said poll. Are you stupid or did you forget?

It isn't that hard to suppose that a substantial minority wont vote for a woman, a person of color, or someone they associate with Muslims (she is actually Catholic).

We learned that its fatal to put up someone who inspires people to stay home but it is likely worrisome to tick too many boxes as far as implicit bias. Look what they tried to do to Barrack "Husein" Obama. We are if anything else more divided, more ready to believe lies, more susceptible to bias compared to 2008.

Furthermore Vance is a particularly uninspiring person. He is gross and indeed right up there with Cruz in likeability.

It is absolutely notable that a competent person with a history of actual competence and decency is barely tied with Vance.

We aren't there yet.

Did you vote? 1st question. Secondly, I'm guessing you didn't read the whole comment.

Children's attention spans these days.

We also got Katie Wilson. Sure she isn't classically gorgeous like those three, but damn does that woman represent Seattle.

Kat and Zohr too, yeah. Gorgeous people. Brother Zohr might just be the most photogenic of all of them, ngl. Coming from me as a cis het man.

Don't worry, she's female, which will keep a bunch of people from voting for her

People in bubbles or people disconnected enough from American politics, I guess. European here. 🙋‍♂️ Hi.

It's honestly like a dark part of human nature is eating away at the "1st world" lifestyles and cultures. And it corrupted beyond fixing. Its most blatantly visible in the USA.

It’s not about bravery, she simply isn’t ready yet and needs to level up first by doing meaningful things in the senate. She’s too constrained in the house for that, and a jump to presidential run at this stage would be disastrous because she hasn’t had the opportunity yet to do things which meaningfully impact the lives of voters.

Think about how much more effective her push for M4A will be after 4 years of a shitlib like Newsom claiming sky-high insurance premiums is the best we can do. If she tries it now, the establishment will be able to leverage the heavily propagandized voting populace with their usual rhetorical tricks and she’ll be stopped.

I really enjoyed following your red line for some reason.

Not on mobile.

That's nice, the point however is that there won't be an election if Trump isn't impeached. There won't be an election if there isn't something done about Vance as well.

Why do I get the feeling you're voting Republican anyway...