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How do you handle being upset about something online?

like either a dumbass posting stupid shit, unfair bans, idiotic arguments, etc etc. i feel so incredibly stupid letting it affect me at all, but then also there's real feelings mixed in there because it's a real argument i give a shit about to some degree. so it's this odd double crossing where i know it's stupid but i process it as being real.

bonus points for not answering 'go outside drink water read a book' etc etc

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  • I write a long comment and then don't send it.

    Usually after typing everything out and reading it back, I have cooled enough to think it's mediocre at best and the other person doesn't deserve so much of my time wasted anyway (which already happened of course, but they don't need to know that 😅).

    • Yep, this works for me too.

      As you said, taking the time to write down your thoughts, read them back, proofread, etc, gives you time to cool off. When you're calmer, you're better able to engage your critical thinking skills, and that's usually when you realise the person isn't worth it or they may have a legitimate reason for thinking differently than you.

      Sometimes I react adversely, but intentionally so, when I feel a point needs to be made. I had one person take it badly that I use dark mode and a particular screenshot I posted wasn't suitable for people with vision impairment. I took that opportunity to point out that, rather than playing the victim, they could just ask nicely. On the internet, just about all disabilities are invisible.

  • How do I handle it? Poorly.

    How should I handle it? Well, a few things:

    If I haven't engaged yet, I should try to keep in mind whether it's worth my time to engage, whether I'm really qualified to represent the opposing viewpoint, etc. Often, I'm just not the right person or it's not the right time.

    If I feel like I need to change this person's opinion in order to be okay, it's less about them and more about me. I probably feel like there's some part of my humanity that isn't being recognized here. The thing is: Responding to them by being hostile to their perspective is gonna make them feel exactly the same way, and neither of us are gonna get what we want.

    It's much better to ask: "I'm curious why you see it that way. I see it differently, and here's why" focusing way more on what I'm subjectively bringing to table rather than what makes it an objectively better argument. Curiosity also invites them into a collaborative exercise instead of a zero-sum duel. It's crazy that we view online debates as like... if I learned something in the process, I'm the loser! What a weird way to look at it! If I phrase it in a way where we can both feel good about changing our minds just a little bit, we'll both feel way better.

    It's also helpful to recognize the difference between positions and interests/motivations. Two people might both want an orange, but there's only one orange. Alice's position is "I want that orange". But their interest might be that they want to make orange juice with it. And Bob's interest might be that he wants to zest the peel to make an orange cake. They could easily both be happy here, but not realize it because they're stuck fighting on what to do instead of why they want to do that. Even if I don't get the discussion to that point, it can be helpful to assume that the other party has reasons for their position that are different from the reasons for mine, and they might both be valid.

    And along those lines... just because I'm right doesn't mean the other person is wrong. Sometimes more than one thing can be true. The world is messy, the truth resists simplicity, and plenty of things -- and people -- are contradictory while still being valuable.

    Finally: I should try to recognize when someone is simply acting in bad faith and cut my losses way before getting emotionally invested. Sometimes online content is literally a trap, and I don't have to keep walking towards it after already realizing it's a trap just because I'm curious what kind of trap it is. Innuendo Studios' series on "The Alt-Right Playbook" is a great guide to recognizing this behavior: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ

  • "bonus points for not answering 'go outside drink water read a book' etc etc'

    Erm, well, the very first thing I suggest is going outside for a bit. A walk can do wonders.

    But this is one part of a general strategy, really - when you are upset by something online, make a little space between yourself and the conversation, reflect on why it upsets you, and decide if it's worth continuing to engage.

    If it is, try to be as even-handed in your responses as possible. I find deliberately trying to tone down my own rhetoric makes me feel better - if I'm using super emotional language, all I'm doing is ratcheting up my own pissed-off-o-meter. I have a better experience trying to discuss something in good faith with a fellow human, even if they're wrong or just being an asshole for the sake of it. Try to make a space for the other human to have a real discussion. Either it will become a good conversation, and might expose you or the other person to viewpoints you haven't considered, or it will become clear that it's not worth your time to continue.

    If it's not worth your time (either upon initial reflection or upon fresh evidence), just stop. Nothing good will come of continuing to go at it. Look at or do stuff that carries value for yourself instead.

  • With time, you end up realizing that you gain nothing from these interactions, so it’s best to ignore them, and focus on those that make your life better.

    No matter if it’s the internet or real life, life’s too short to waste it on meaningless discussion with stupid people, they won’t change and you’ll only waste time.

    Use your time and energy in meaningful things, and try to be a happier person.

  • I struggle with this too sometimes, from a couple angles. Primarily, I’m worried about how people perceive me. I’ve been practicing not giving a shit what other people think of me for about a decade now, and I’m pretty good, but it doesn’t always work. I have to remind myself that it just doesn’t matter if a stranger disagrees with me, or thinks I’m a fuckwad/idiot/etc, just like my opinion of them doesn’t change their life. We don’t know each other. Their negative opinion of me has no real impact on my life, and holding onto that helps me move past caring about their opinion.

    Secondarily, I stress about misinformation/toxic ideas being spread. I pipe up in a lot of discussions about feminism and the patriarchy because I want to clarify misconceptions that a lot of people hold about these issues. But, as far as I know, I’ve never changed someone’s mind, and the effort just brings me down. I have to remind myself it’s not my responsibility to teach someone why they might be wrong. The odds that I would actually succeed are very low, unless the person is genuine and asking questions in good faith.

    ETA: lastly, I ask myself how I want to feel today. Do I want this random asshole to ruin my day? I don’t want to give them that power over me. So I work to take back that power and make sure I have a good day in spite of their efforts.

  • The basic skill of mindful meditation is to be aware of thoughts as they arise and in doing so avoid the trap of being identified with them and captured by them. Without needing to obtain a saffron robe and head up a mountain for a few years, you can just accept that your mid is going to start its "This fool needs to be schooled!" routine and (almost) instantly understand that you don't need to school the fool despite the strong inclination to do so.
    Not only doe this free you from the rarely productive effort of schooling fools, but helps get you past the feelings so that you can better judge when you want to spend the effort to school a fool, then do so without the emotional baggage which will undermine your lesson.

    Like all such things, the more you practice, the easier it gets. Given the overwhelming number of active fools and their endless reinforcements, you're going to get plenty of practice.

    As for trite advice concerning molesting vegetation, exposure to the elements, pursuing nominally rewarding activities, etc. the underlying wisdom of keeping a healthy grasp on the big picture such that judgements of how to spend the limited resource which is our attention can also be reinforced by your practice.

    With that deep insight and wisdom out of the way, keep schooling the fools. We are those fools and we need schooling from time time. Do it with kindness and as much skill as you have for the good of us all.

    [Some of those fools are, of course, trolls. Even then, your audience is larger than the troll.]

  • Dumbasses posting stupid shit don't read sourced or reasoned comments. They just fling more poo. Walk away.

  • Log off and touch grass.

    Not even trying to be a dick, but I’ll go water my gardens lol.

  • Step away from it and avoid engaging. Let it fade into memory. Distract yourself with something you enjoy or find fun/entertaining. Don't give them your attention or energy, and don't go looking for more stuff that will make you mad. It's hard but it does work if you stick with it and don't let yourself get stuck thinking about it over and over. If absolutely necessary, vent about it to a friend, get the salt out of your system without inviting it into your life directly. Only engage with something that you think deserves your time and energy. Just because it's a topic you give a shit about, that doesn't mean that someone being a dickhead on the internet deserves any emotional investment or emotional labour from you. Not letting yourself engage with something that upsets you can feel frustrating at first, but after a while it will begin to feel very freeing. You will start to feel less obligated to devote too much mental real-estate to things that upset you and shitty people who don't deserve the time of day from you. You will then feel less of that immediate urge to dive in and get involved in an argument, which will likely only upset you. Instead it gets easier to move on and let it fade to white noise in the backdrop of your thoughts, until it's gone completely.

    That was my experience at least when I started having this issue and decided to just stop getting into it with stupid online strangers.

  • Walk away and take a breath.

    Also, will this really matter to me:

    • Tomorrow?
    • In a week?
    • In a month?
    • In a year?

    That helps to put challenging situations into perspective.

  • I don't do anything. I'm the kind to completely forget about it minutes after I close whatever I was looking at. If it's a stupid enough thing that made me angry enough, sometimes I'll vent about it to my wife, and usually get the response of "Why do you care what a random person online you'll never meet thinks?" but I've gotten that response enough for it to have really sunk in to the point where I really don't care 99% of the time. I don't really debate online anymore either for that reason. The most I might do is nudge somebody in the right direction if I suspect their opinion is simply based on a lack of information, but if that fails I tend to just delete my reply and move on so I'm not bothered by it again.

  • If an argument is upsetting or frustrating me then I will stop replying. I like to argue for fun and as soon as it's not fun I try to disengage because there is already enough angry people on the internet and I don't want to be another one.

    If it's an unfair ban, I'll post one comment saying it's unfair and possibly insulting the mods. Only one comment otherwise it turns into a fight and I get banned to.

    The reason why I don't really get upset by internet arguments is because I remind myself that we don't know each other and never will. We both have completely different world views and perspective and that's fine. I've also been on the internet a long time and learned the hard way that arguments on the internet are a pointless waste of time if your goal is to get the other person to change their mind.

    You also never know how serious another person is. I once strung a youtube comment section argument out for 8 months. My position was that space was not real and this guy was an idiot for believing the footage was real. Of course I believe space is real its just funny to say its not and watch people lose their minds.

  • Beware my answer is extremely practical and "Vulcan" so to speak. With that said...

    My rule for this and other things is "will I remember/care about this in a couple of days?" If the answer is no -and for most, if not all online interactions, the answer is absolutely not- then why let it occupy your mind now if it's gonna leave it soon anyways. That's why I don't bother interacting with any response that is even mildly adversarial... why bother? Both you and the other person will have forgotten about it the day after tomorrow.

    Like, try to remember an specific adversarial online interaction you had from like a month ago... it's probably hard to come up with a particular one. It's just a matter of looking at it from that future perspective in the present.

    But maybe, even when trying to adopt that position, you are still overwhelmed with the feeling that you need to prove that you are right or the other person is wrong. In that case, remember two maxims for internet discussion:
    1 - Everyone has already chosen their position, and is not changing it.
    2 - There is no price for being right.
    So, from a practical perspective, you will just be wasting your time trying to prove anything, since it won't change anyone's mind and you will not gain anything from it.

    For me looking at it from these perspectives helps me to be "oh well, whatever"

  • Very often I will be baited into arguing with a stranger on Lemmy here. Whenever someone gets under my skin I do my best to ignore them and step away from the PC and phone for a few hours and go smoke some pot. I have wasted enough time in my life arguing with strangers over differences in opinion. Too many trolls, mentally unwell people, and political extremist, all of which love to argue and are not interested in a meaningful exchange of ideas. At best they want to be 'right' and argue till their blue in the face, at worst they just want to waste my time and fuck with me.

    Now I just let them say their piece and be done with it, to get along with my day in a positive way. And starves them of the interaction they want.

  • I think it's important to remember that when you are interacting online, especially with an unknown person, there is no relational component. You are effectively just words or text to them, there isn't a "person" behind what they are reading. It's very easy to be obstinate or argumentative with just words because you can't see the reaction or impact on the other person. So it's nearly impossible to change someone's mind in that format unless they are really being genuine and looking to have an exchange of ideas.

    I've found the best way for myself to handle these types of situations is to realize nothing I say is going to impact them or change their mind. If I'm really wound up I might type a response out to get the frustration and energy out and then delete it. I usually feel better after that and can move on with my day but engaging further is just going to lead to further frustration because you can't actually reach the person.

  • As soon as someone starts engaging with me in a rude way online, I respond with one single "hey let's chill out" or "we can disagree peacefully" kind of comment. That gives them a chance to stop being confrontational.
    If they burn that chance I either disengage or troll you into the abyss (depends by how much free time I have in that moment) because I know that arguing with angry people is useless.

  • The first step for me was realizing that this stuff made me angry and unhappy. Rather than viewing this as something I need to exercise my anger on I view it as something I need to avoid so I don't get angry. Using the block feature really helped a lot.

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