US will require EU citizens to give all biometric data including DNA in new ESTA requirements
US will require EU citizens to give all biometric data including DNA in new ESTA requirements
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But what if I don't travel to the US?
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Problem solved. Never visit USA.
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We need to be quarantined and ignored right now. Conservatives only change through suffering
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EU people: Go vacation somewhere else, USA is not a good destination right now.
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Seriously, I say this as a USian. We are not currently worthy of your tourist money. Nobody should vacation in the US for the next 3ish years, if ever again.
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Nobody should vacation in the US for the next 30ish years, if ever again.
There, I fixed that for you.. Even if (HUGE if here) the orange blob survives it's term and willingly gives up power (not a great track record there) the fascist rot won't go away over night..
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150 years
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What the fuck?
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Close. The correct answer is: "Lol! No! Fuck off!"
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Who in the right mind would want to visit the US at this moment in time anyway...
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Yeah my country warned transpeople to not travel in US like months ago, that alone should have raised some flags for everyone else as well
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some poor sod who's been saving up for a decade to take his kids to disney most like.
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Many people who think it's not that bad yet and they're right that they'll probably be ok. I know many people traveling to other hellhole countries. They're not scared. So if there's a congress they need to attend in the States, they go.
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So brave, so free.
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here, you need to wear this electronic ankle bracelet while you enjoy our land of freedom...
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And we track everything you do and did. So maybe you can leave.
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But maybe we'll also throw you in some cage and send you to a torture dungeon in a random country of our choosing if we feel like it.
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People's Republic of United States
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If you are so moronic to visit the united state of fascism at this moment in time then you deserve everything coming to you.
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Yeah, how dare people have a family or loved ones from before the fascist coup. Stupid idiots.
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Have them come here instead of going there.
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I get your point but you don't seem to get how serious the situation is. As a german I always wondered why there were so many Jews still around in Germany in the late 30s. Now I understand better. It's a slow process of pushing each day what is tolerated to be said and done. Also it's a bitter pill to accept your own country is turning against you or your loved ones.
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The most powerful country in the world going fascist is so fucking scary tbh
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scary
Define fascism and then check how much was already fulfilled 10 or 20 years ago.
Also check the biography of German chancelor Merz, especially his former employer.
Downvotes for what? This is not a pro fascism comment.
To answer my questions, most requirements of fascism are already fulfilled so we are mostly just dropping the fassade. This includes Europe because Merz has worked for Blackrock, so his worldview very likely supports the neoliberal approach that is also driving the US.
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I'm sure what you're saying has merit, but I'm scared enuff right now. Maybe later.
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We spend our whole lives fighting one cancer after another. Sometimes we fail to nip it in the bud, and it goes fulminant.
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Currently the republicans hold everything, but they still haven't dismantled democracy. If they don't do that in the next year or so...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/polls/congressional-vote-2026.html
It might look very different in a 2027.
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You are living in a house of cards.
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another move of the goal post to justify innaction now
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This seems like an effort to generate kompromat on every tourist to the US.
Names and addresses of every family member.
Probably an outrageous amount of access to your phone, it directly mentions location services.
10 years of emails, and 5 years of social media.
Biometric data and DNA samples.
The amount of espionage you could use this for is staggering. And I garuantee Palantir will get its hands on it.
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That’s really excessive.
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What the actual mother fucking deep fried double wide inbred corn sucking bull shit are these god damn cunts doing now? Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and all his carpenter friends sigh. I'd apologies on behalf of my country, but I don't think enough of it truly cares enough for it to mean anything, so instead I'll just say run, and quickly.
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Oh, and it requires a mobile application to submit all this information - so good bye phone security as part of it all.
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So, if
1%2-5% of idiots travel to USA and get their DNA taken & saved in a database, estimations say, that 100% of EU citizens could be identified, if I'm not wrong.This is so f*cking scary. But it already was before with this 23andme or FamilyTreeDNA-shit.
Edit: corrected statistics
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Do you have a source for this? I find it very interesting and would like to understand how exactly that would work. I assume it has something to do with some genetic distance between people and triangulating.
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Some serial killers could only be identified because of these gene databases. When some distant relative uploads their DNA they can do some old school detective work and narrow down the suspects which they then can investigate further.
There is a veritasium episode about it:
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More broadly, a genetic database needs to cover only 2% of the target population to provide a 3rd cousin match to nearly any person
https://www.science.org/cms/asset/089c0893-0dc3-4668-be4a-cff6d3915fad/pap.pdf
Since I don't know about newer studies, I will correct myself to 2-5% to identify the rest.
My 1% came from a german source (Question at the Bundestag by Die Linke-party) which could still be correct though:
Currently, over 1 percent of the population in Germany is already registered in the DNA analysis file (DAD) of the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA). This means that, statistically speaking, most residents have a third-degree relative in the database (see: ç). In other words, if familial searching were applied to the DAD, then theoretically, via the detour of near matches, every resident could be identified via DNA analysis, provided that sampling is uniform and unbiased
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Stephen Miller is playing with his dolls tonight
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All 37 taken from disadvantaged children
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So much freedom, my poor European brain just can't understand it
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Hear my words: in a few month the EU will require DNA as well. Right now they are going: write that down, quickly write that down..
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Nah. I think it will be difficult to throw over existing data security regulations. Both in EU and national level. But the concern is valid. We don't want that
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Laws can be changed, just think of the kids! And the terrorists!
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That's illegal in EU.
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It's probably illegal in America too, we don't really have well-defined laws anymore
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It's always with our precious bodily fluids💦 with fascists...
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Mah fluids!
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Boy the original NAZIs would have loved to have genetic data on everyone, once they got rolling on the Holocaust.
I wonder if IBM will help with the next one, too?
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Oracle will help.
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Just in case your blood is 4% Arab or something?
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Why? Like seriously what does the idiot think he's going to achieve with all of this. Because it seems like the republicans are speed running political irrelevance.
It doesn't matter how many idiots they get to vote for them if the US dollar ceases to be the world currency because of all their stupid decisions. They'll end up being in charge of an barely populated (ironically everybody with any brains immigrated) unproductive wasteland with crumbling infrastructure. I'm sure the great and wealthy will love living in that world.
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Why?
These assumptions are not so inevitable considering how the US can compensate them:
if the US dollar ceases to be the world currency
Fascism helps to fight the wars that prevent anybody from dropping the dollar. Libya and Iraq don't have to be the last ones.
They’ll end up being in charge of an barely populated unproductive wasteland
Not if Europe doesn't have enough energy for their industries and has to shift them to the US. It hurts to see, but that's what is happening.
Downvoters, why does this not answer OP's question?
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Gl with that.
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It doesn’t get more unreasonable or more search-and-seizure. This is what happens when you let fascists in and they cancel constitution and rule of law.
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Does it say what kind of DNA or... ?
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If that's the case, the EU should do the same for US visitors, especially for the Russian supporting MAGA fucks.
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We could do in Europe what the US does, which is ask if you're an anarchist or terrorist, in this case: "did russia invade Ukraine illegally, do you consider it a crime, or should russia redraw european borders unilaterally?". If they say yes: ban them, if they say no...and later are found saying yes: ban them for perjury on an official entry form...
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They are going to be a security risk for the rest of us, since USA can use our DNA to manufacture bioweapons.
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You don't need a specific person's DNA to manufacture a bio weapon. Humans across the world are very genetically similar.
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Username checks out.
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