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Leaked documents claim 'US wants to convince four countries to quit EU' in bid to 'Make Europe Great Again'

www.lbc.co.uk Leaked documents claim 'US wants to convince four countries to quit EU' in bid to 'Make Europe Great Again' | LBC

Donald Trump is allegedly attempting to persuade four countries to quit the European Union as part of his plan to “Make Europe Great Again.”

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According to a leaked version of the Trump administration’s US national security strategy, the White House is planning to call on Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland to quit the EU.
- I wonder where Poland would be without the EU...
  
  No where near current development state, and people know that - huge percentage of people are pro EU.
- I mean Hungary already acts like it's not part of it when it comes to anything regarding foreign policies. At this point I'm they seem to just be mooching off the economic benefits.
  
  I don't think they'd quit though. They're benefiting too much. They bark but won't bite I think.
  
  Kick them out
  
  Yeah hahaha, if Trump can convince them to leave voluntarily that 'd be the best thing happening to the EU in years.
  
  Unfortunately, the EU was built without a mechanism for removing a member state.
  And while Orban might be a disgusting corrupt cleptocrat grifter, he isn't dumb and knows all too well that the source of all that nice money he and his buddies are stealing would dry up the instant Hungary left the EU.
  
  That's Orban not the people, we'll see in February IIRC when he gets the boot. Even with his anti democratic maneuversvit seems unlikely that he'd get reelected. I sure hope so too.
  They became the poorest country in the EU but benefits the most, fuck that scum traitor.
  And welcome back Hungarian people!
  
  I mean Hungary already acts like it’s not part of it
  Or they do, and everybody else acts as if the EU has to be a country like the US.
  Unanimous means that a country cannot be forced to act against their will. That was the promise of the EU, economic benefits with political independence. Demanding more is bait and switch.
  
  You have a bunch of crap takes up and down this thread.
  
  In which way do you disagree?
  
  I noticed that nearly everything that I saw that was ill conceived, misleading, inaccurate or downright wrong, missing the while point, or just plain nasty in this thread was written by you.
  
  Thanks for the feedback. I will try to scale down the nastyness but I have no idea how to be more correct. As far as I know my statements are correct. What do you think is wrong? E.g. in this thread, originally, the countries were supposed to be independent. Of course, some people have always wanted the EU to be a single country, but that's not how it was sold.
  
  Of course, some people have always wanted the EU to be a single country, but that’s not how it was sold.
  In 1993?! Or 1957?! Make the EU the EEC again!? The only good way to live is in the past? Back to the golden age of low consumer, worker and human rights! Less economic power and regulatory influence globally! Yay! /s
  How reactionary is that?
  But it's not just that. It's the other bad takes. They're nearly all yours.
  
  The EU is not the single source of good. Of course there are advantages, especially for countries with corrupt governments. But the EU is also corrupt, and giving the EU all that power will give that power to corrupt people.
  The Euro was introduced explicitly with conditions that each country pays their own dept which means that still at that time, the distinction of states was important.
  It’s the other bad takes. They’re nearly all yours.
  Are they wrong? Could it be that you just don't like them because they reveal problems of the EU that you don't want to solve?
  
  The EU is not the single source of good
  Straw man completely swerving my point.
  But it’s not just that. It’s the other bad takes. They’re nearly all yours.
  Are they wrong?
  Sometimes wrong by containing factual inaccuracies, sometimes wrong by containing selective truths and painting a misleading picture, sometimes wrong by drawing the wrong conclusions from accurate facts, sometimes wrong by consistently picking the most negative interpretation and defending it vigorously and ignoring anything else someone has said to derail the conversation from a balanced and nuanced discussion into one that solely debates your taking points.
  The EU is of course imperfect, but it's also the most responsible of the governments I've lived under and Brexit has been an almost completely unmitigated disaster that we brought on ourselves. It didn't even succeed on its sold terms because illegal immigration and dangerous boat crossings to the UK soared under the absence of the EU's "first safe country" rule, so we can't she everyone back over the channel any more, and the brilliant trade deals we would be free to sign around the world are few and far between and frequently on worse terms than the EU got. Why? Because we don't have the purchasing power and negotiating clout & experience of the EU.
  The people like you who can't do anything but talk down the EU because "MuH fReeDumb" cost our country EU investment, foreign investment, healthcare workers (during a recruitment and retention crisis), tax income, trading partners, shedloads of small export businesses, GDP, respect, soft power & influence and real power & influence. We used to have a seat at the top table. Now we sit outside the room. The single most stupid act of national self harm we could have taken short of starting a war.
  Whose freedom? Boris Johnson's freedom, that's who (and he would have been a much better prime minister without it). Not us, not ordinary people. We have the freedom to pay more and lose our rights.
  So no, your takes are crap and this one in particular is stupid.
  
  Straw man completely swerving my point.
  Sorry but what's your point? This reads as if it would be impossible without the EU.
  Back to the golden age of low consumer, worker and human rights
  Sometimes wrong by containing factual inaccuracies ...
  My main argument is that Trump is not under Russian influence because the billionaires would have never allowed it. That's a guess, but do you believe that it is wrong?
  Two other points are that China is outpacing the US and that the EU is not as independent as it seems. Do you see anything else? Where am I misleading with these facts?
  The EU is of course imperfect, but it’s also the most responsible of the governments ... Brexit has been an almost completely unmitigated disaster
  Wait a bit more. The EU is a tool of American influence. Brexit will shine when the EU reveals its true face.
  We have the freedom to pay more and lose our rights.
  They weren't your rights if you could lose them. Anyway, it's a race to the bottom and I wouldn't bet on GB finishing first.
- Austria
  So this is it, this is how Trump finally starts WW3
- I see it for Hungary, maybe Poland of they get a PIS gouvernement again but Italy and Austria? Won't happen.
  
  Even the Piss Party isn't dumb enough to leave the EU and its bountiful benefits.
  
  And if they do there will be massive protests I suppose

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