Lemmy is so good right now because there are no kids here
Lemmy is so good right now because there are no kids here
Lemmy is so good right now because there are no kids here
Not just fewer kids. But fewer conservatives too.
Gosh, I love it here.
Conservatives love having corporate masters, so they're all staying on reddit.
You know, it's so funny (though obviously not in an enjoyable way per se) how those folks are so selective and picky about freedom. Like freedom is OK when it's the freedom to enter a supermarket without a mask, but it's not OK when it's the freedom to express your gender. And as in this example, when it comes to corporate masters...
Don't you just love capitalism? And don't you just loooooove capitalists? It's honestly frightening how reminiscent it is to the way the fascists took power in 1930s Germany.
And by the way, I'm noticing a parallel with how much they not only embrace conservative evangelical Christendom, but also act like it's the epitome of freedom and liberty - the American Dream, if you will. If you attend one of the US's most notorious fundie schools, you're not allowed to stay up late, mingle with the opposite gender too much, attend dances, or be pretty much anything other than cishet (and implicitly, cishet white male). The irony of how said school is named "LIBERTY" University never seems to die on me.
Sounds like a win-win for everyone.
Truth social. Lol.
well not entirely. We seem to have a migration of r/conservative here. I looked. It is discretely awful.
A lot of the political discussion I’ve read on here has also been pretty well thought out. I feel like people are taking time to explain their perspective more and even if in general it’s been more left leaning there is definitely more nuance. I was surprised by the quality of some of the discussion around the end of affirmative action.
Fewer conservatives, yes. If it wasn't for the harcore tankies and trolls it would really be perfect. But it's very close, much better than Reddit.
how do you do, fellow adults?
my back hurts
I have a headache
We do a bit of adultery
My knees ='(
MY LEG
Just had my yearly colonoscopy
I’m a teenage FOSS enthusiast and I’m of the opinion that there are a lot more of us here than you seem to all think.
not speaking for OP but when I think about not wanting "kids" around, I mean immature people. I'm looking to be part of something like the reddit prior to them buying Alien Blue.
Agree. I suspect that the UX challenge of the Fediverse as well as the fact that you'd largely only migrate here if you're ideologically displeased with the admins means that people on this site skew more mature.
As a fellow teenager and a FOSS enthusiast, Linux user and Linux tinkerer and hobbyist, I'm glad to see there are more people my age getting into the FOSS space.
Booyah high five! Glad you're here
Same same, it is mostly the matter of your FOSS knowledge, if you were a FOSS nerd you would most likely to switch from reddit in some way or another... (16 btw)
Same, also 16, and the 'mentally kids' excuse is more insulting than they may have realised.
I am not a teenager, but I think younger people are generally pretty fucking cool.
Yeah, yall are immature, so what, compared to old people when they were your age, y'all are so MUCH COOLER.
Seriously, on every metric, I don't understand how you can shit on young people these days. They are just an improvement on us.
There are dozens of us!
Lemmy is so good right now because there's no commercialization here.
My ublock has been at a constant "0" on this site since I've started. A youtube tab will have over a hundred by the end of a 10 minute video.
And hopefully never will be. It seems like the people hosting instances aren't in it for the money. Particularly the *.world guys have other fediverse projects big enough that they could've done something like, say, add ads to it.
The .world sites are being financed by a patreon and other donations. They even make their finances public every few months.
The reasons to develop it also are ideological and not ecological ones.
I think it's more just because we're early adopters and the first wave of refugees.
We're building something here - and right now, for some it's a new home, for some of us this is something big - a place that resists monetization. This isn't just the fresh new version of social media, built by cool people who have the best intentions and a vision (I think most of them did, at least initially)
Admins go bad, already some of the instances I'm on have people starting to look at not just paying for servers, but making a profit. And if they can live off the donations - fine, more power to them.
But when someone comes knocking with a bag of money, what are they going to do? They can sell us out, but they can't go far before we leave... What do we miss out on? The content will either follow or we're missing out on content elsewhere.
And we can mitigate it further - too many talented people care too much to let this idea die. We're going to face difficult times, but it's a new ephemeral Internet built on top of the one stolen from us - it doesn't start or end with a reddit clone.
And I think that's why we care - because this time is different. It can't go bad the way everything else does. It relies on no one, and it's built from all of us
This place is ours. No kings, no masters, no capitol, no capital
I think it’s more just because we’re early adopters and the first wave of refugees.
Yes, and because there are some little hurdles in the signup process. Having to select an instance isn't really that big of a deal, but it will actually stop quite a few people.
The people who do make it through care or are invested enough to join and are less likely to shit the place up. It's a self-selection process.
Well put, almost made me feel inspired till I remembered we're just nerds on the internet hahahahaha
The internet was made for nerds to be on it.
Agree. But it's not kids, it's stupid people of all ages. Same thing happened with Reddit and with the Internet as a whole. Used to be you had to be a little smart to know you wanted to be on the Internet and figure out how to get it working. Then same was true of forums and IRC. Then same was true of Reddit. But then Reddit changed formats trying to be a TikTok style quick content scroll app, so idiots who just want to scroll started using the site and quality of discussions went down. I hope Lemmy grows but I hope the sign up process stays as it is, to weed out the extra stupid.
I think you‘re onto something. I read a lot of comments of people thinking the fediverse is too complicated to deal with and while I disagree - but also think it has issues - there does seem to be a barrier of entry for a good portion of people in the form of „inconvenience.“ So whoever is here really wants to be here and not just be an anonymous arse. I don‘t think you gotta be particularly smart, you gotta step out of your comfort zone.
Which part of it is supposed to be complicated? I've seen this argument many times, and while I'm still trying to figure out the user interface(s), the whole idea is pretty basic
Hmm this is also a good point. I've been explaining to redditors that Lemmy is not that complicated and only takes a couple minutes to get started. But reading this, now I'm hoping Lemmy can find the balance between number of active users and quality of content. I'm wondering if my spreading the word on reddit was a bad idea.
Maybe the "work" required to make the jump to Lemmy will be enough to keep lower quality content (for whatever reason) at bay for a bit longer, though. Of course, it won't last forever. All we can do is make our communities good spaces from the get-go and try to maintain them carefully as we grow.
It was the worst thing to witness on reddit. A post with tens of thousands of likes and only a handfull of comments
I boosted from 1k karma to 20k by searching 'pun' on every top joke each day for a week.
It's enough that good/bad posts get boosted up/down by votes without them generating Karma.
Intelligent answers aren't always the most popular...
Then same was true of forums and IRC
When IRC was entirely people on command line clients that existed on *nix. But that has changed with the ease of use of clients for Windows, and then eventually web clients.
For me it is lack of commercial interests (ads hidden in post), lack of bots, and lack of "funny meme and jokes' posts.
lack of "funny meme and jokes' posts
This is it for me. The Pavlovian posting and upvoting of shitty jokes in every. single. thread. I haven't bothered with reddit's comment section in years because of it. Here, the comments so far seem chill and appropriate for the posts.
The Narwhal bacons at midnight, fellow hydrohomie
The same shitty jokes at that, over and over and over again.
Yes, I hope Karma won't be as prominent as on reddit, limiting jokes to those that are appropriate.
Agreed. On top of this I noticed a pretty hard decline in Reddit once the CCP bought a portion of reddit. Keeping business out of Lemmy will keep it honest for sure.
I missed that, they bought a stake in Conde Nast or how come?
We can always make funny memes
i'd rather have quality content though.
please don't randomly start some ageism crap suddenly now please. the vibes are good because we collectively experience self-efficacy against the corporate super power that is reddit. All people should feel welcome on lemmy
I think it's cause everyone here has to actually try and make meaningful content here as opposed to being jaded and doom scrolling while posting among hundreds of others - and getting told to use the search function. Every post rn has an impact so the vibes are good!
It's buggy but will get better. Feels hands off here because everyone is just happy to be here and few are pushing an agenda cough OP ageism comments
Forums aren't sliding with lame jokes or immediately have the focus of conversation moved away from the actual content.
Feels like people talking instead of bots arguing and I'll work with buggy apps or browser versions forever if it helps maintain the current lemmy experience
For me, It's the lack of advertising. Especially the constant guerilla advertising and flash marketing done in the larger subs.
At this point I'm just so burnt out on the constant advertisements. It's literally shoved in your face at all times and not only does it make me actively avoid the products but its also exhausting.
..."Barbie", opening only in theaters July 21st.
It's refreshing.
I think the influence on Reddit was deeper than a lot of people have considered. The hivemind was so strong it made it difficult to have decent and useful discussion, even the puns that muddied down nearly every post's comments achieved that end. The amount of posts I've seen of people feeling much more comfortable actually interacting on Lemmy, in my mind, lends weight to how Reddit wasn't a place for objective dialogue. That's why it felt so adolescent, like sitting at a high school lunch table.
Yes, I got ground down by the same same discourse and tropes on post after post. I got especially enraged by "Came here to say this", which added literally nothing of value to the debate but would usual, somehow, have loads of upvotes
this
/s pls don't hurt me
that's why they do it: karma farming. And that's why I'm totally opposed to have Lemmy display user's karma anywhere
Reddits culture has become so...tiring. My interaction dropped significantly in recent years and more often than not I delete my comments as I'm typing them because I already know the response.
I wouldn't say it felt adolescent. Adolescence is full of misunderstandings about the world, but usually there's at least some internal logic where you can see how a wrong understanding is logically taken to the wrong conclusion. The start and end are both wrong, but the steps from the start to the end are right. At least that was what I remember from my days of adolescence.
Reddit actually felt more lazy than adolescent. It's like most people just couldn't be bothered to think (or read for that matter). The vast majority of comments just felt low-effort or even no effort (like the case where people just comment "This") and opinions are formed solely on "what's the first feeling I get" than then get defended into absurdity, because changing your opinion with new information is a cardinal sin on Reddit. Sometimes you could get an intelligent discussion but, especially in recent years, you get the equivalent of a thumbs up if someone agrees with you or just straight up hate if someone disagrees.
I'm so happy I haven't read a single pun or lyric/TV show spam thread since coming here. They were becoming unbearable, even worse then the proliferation of video shorts.
OP I think you spelled idiots wrong.
The Crow cawed that Lemmy is strong,
Since no kids have yet come along
But the teens disagree
All ages've stupidity
I think you spelled idiots wrong
The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw.
Lemon Rick sounds like a shady 70's drug dealer who shoots porn as a side hustle.
Oi, who are you calling an idiot? My gram used to tell me, that I'm the most handsome/inteligent boy in the world.
Oh, there are some of us idiots here too.
Maybe the OP refers to the "mentally kids" people, not just ordinary kids. And I'm sure glad to see civilized and mature conversations for once, not just nonsense spewing trolls responding with "nice argument, but ur mum" types
lemmy looks like it does now because it's first of all and most importantly small.
the reason why it's small is that there are barriers for entry, be it effort needed to understand federation for the first time or choosing instance. "ooh just choose anything it's not that hard" shut the fuck up. it's a barrier because you can see that numbers are quite low, and just because you've come through it already doesn't mean it's not there
but there's bigger issue. depending on instance and how do you count, some 95%+ of new active users could have been rexxiters. this means that by coming there they have to leave reddit, and that means leaving communities that were there
average person isn't stupid or malicious or unenlightened plebeian. average person is just. average. because of small lemmy's size people there are subject to strong selection bias, namely on gaussian distribution of "how much do you care about moving there" that's far right tail that sits there. what are reasons for that, for every person that would be a bit different. some of these are FOSS enthusiasts or techlibertarians or softcore anticapitalists. this has some serious implications. some were banned from reddit but want replacement (some of these were shown door already, like exploding-heads).
now, crossection of "people who cared to come there" and "programmers" is reasonably big, as evidenced by programming.dev, but for any other unrelated topic there's much less. crossection of "people who care" and "people who are good at identifying mushrooms" or "aviation fans" or whatever is small, maybe too small to form new community. these people would need to leave reddit and their community and come there, doing nothing because they have no other fellow mushroom identificators to talk to. so, many don't. there's also probably negative selection of specific kind of people like some conspiracy theorists, at least for now
if you want to see lemmy grow, you would see dilution of that concentrated techbro sentiment with people who are otherwise average, but these people are also there to form new, specialized communities. you might want to gatekeep them out with some eternal september scenario, but it most likely won't work. personally i think that lemmy needs to grow a few times over for these "unrelated communities" to form, and then things will get pretty sustainable
another thing is that there's no ads and no selection for hostile content or conspiracy theories, and that might be related to how lemmy's algorithm is not driven by engagement, at least that's how it looks like
Great post. Lemmy right now reminds me of Reddit 15-16 years ago. Mostly tech workers or tech hobbyists who know far more than an average person and thus aren't put off by something new and different. I don't think Lemmy is very complicated as a concept and it boggles my mind that people are saying "making a new account on Lemmy.world or Kbin.social is too complicated for normal people." Yet I see it written all the time, sometimes here but mostly on reddit. And who knows; maybe the latter is a disinformation campaign since we know reddit pulls sneaky shit like that all the time (and targeting Lemmy, like with the warnings they placed on links at one point).
Lemmy's barriers to entry also somewhat remind me of early Facebook after they expanded to several universities. You needed to have an email address from one of those univerisities in order to create an account. So, not so much self selection in that scenario but another gate to keep people out.
I can respect Tildes' decision to become invite-only (with a very limited number of invites) for that reason. Lemmy, I think, is prioritizing growth at the potential cost of future community. Tildes is doing the opposite. I don't think one is necessarily more correct. And, with Lemmy, there are tons of alternatives waiting in the wings. Hopefully a balance can be struck.
I think the real test comes when the first wave of good third party apps are released. Sync, in particular, seems very promising given the developer's reddit app. Anything that can make it easier for people.
i think the biggest barrier is leaving fully formed communities on reddit, not technicalities of lemmy
for more information, please re-read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Hey I just said I reqllly found your comment really informative and insightful, and albeit I have some vague ideas on how it is part of survivorship bias, i can't quite tell what you refer to?
What I'm talking about is mostly negative bias so I might be wrong
Thanks for your time :)
I suspect that one of the reasons Lemmy's texts are longer, meatier, and more thoughtful is the age of the users. My gut tells me that we're an older audience that doesn't need to dump the usual social media BS - hasty comments filled with unsubstantiated arguments. Everyone has an opinion and should be heard and respected. As a Reddit refugee, I feel Lemmy provides such space, and that's what I enjoy most. Like many others whose profiles match mine, once you get past the initial confusion (where should I register, what app should I use, where can I comment) and get comfortable with the jargon, you feel more encouraged to participate in discussions. So far, I've been pleased with the civil environment of the discussions, as most users are able to express their thoughts in a relaxed and non-toxic manner. Honestly, I'd encourage anyone who has been just lurking to participate and share their thoughts.
To add to that: I think it's actually worthwhile to write longer texts here compared to reddit because of two reasons: 1) people here want Lemmy to succeed so they put more time and effort in to get things going, and 2) it's more likely for that text to be seen by others because there aren't 2.000 other commenters but maybe 20.
My only concern is that Google doesn't seem to be indexing lemmy pages. So even if we add content that might be helpful it is not getting any screentime.
True. The sense of anticipation of a new home in which to settle seems genuine. Also, I agree that a smaller group where users actually read the posts and interact with each other validates the purpose of investing the time to share one's views with people who are actually interested.
I have been an avid participant in many programming subreddits, and I can confidently say; This place (Lemmy) feels like the beginning of something I can call home as well. I will gladly start supporting fellow programmers with their questions and problems once I feel settled.
Joke's on you, I'm a dog.
Everyone on the internet is a dog unless proven otherwise.
I mean...woof.
Well, I am actually in fact, a banana! 100% not a dog over here....
On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
Joke's on you, I'm a sandwich
Oh, that's perfect, cuz I am really hungry
The internet as a whole got sadder / meaner / more unruly when COVID happened. I was on reddit a lot at the time and noticed it immediately.
It’s still like that, but I hope we find a way forward.
The world as a whole...
Yeah, sometimes on reddit I'd be talking to someone and realize oh... this person is probably 14 or something.
Its always weird to me when I realize not everyone online is ~30 years old.
But think of all the times it was someone in their 30s, and they were just that immature.
And male.
Yeah, or first year college kids who have figured out how the world should work.
anyone that thinks random defederations are good for the users.
I had a lovely conversation with a 19 yr old. He kind of reminded me of myself, only growing up in this crazy time. He was really thoughtful about his experiences. Any one here now is probably a touch more mindful, but we can all slip and be dumb or even bad people, and when there's more people, it's easier to do, especially when there are people who are sad or mad or whatever.
Is that considered a kid? Just curious about todays perception. When I was at that age it was considered young adult.
Hmm I kinda typed that in after reading further down.
Imo, it depends on experience.
more often than not, even highly intelligent people just lack exposure to certain things, situations.
I'd rather talk to that 19 yr old than many many many many many people who are not internet strangers to me (:
It's about perspective, I think. A 19-year-old is technically a young adult, but is a "grown up" to a small child and a kid to an older adult. I feel like that 18-early 20s-ish range is some weird gray area that seriously depends on maturity level. I've met some very wise people in that age range who are far more adult than literal adults I've known, but I've also met some very, very immature straight-up children in that age range as well.
Then again, maybe that's all ages? Hmm...
Editing to add: This is my first comment on here. I can see myself settling in and getting comfortable in this new space. I'm happy to have possibly found a new home. I'll miss rif though.
Enjoy while it lasts, Eventually everything turns to shit
That's very on point. We will have the same discussion in a decade about this platform as we have it now with Reddit. Maybe even sooner? Who knows.
Will we? What kind of evil business decisions can an open protocol make? If the developers decide to do something ridiculous everyone can just refuse to go along.
I would imagine a high proportion of people so easy to leave Reddit found it easy because they remember leaving digg.
Anyone younger than that are just bloody sensible
I started redditing about 8 years back. After digg.
Leaving reddit is hard but I have generally enjoyed forums and lemmy is a fun new experience I haven't had in a while.
If anything, in 10 years I can do the whole 'I was here at the start' thing on the younglings.
Old Slashdotter here. I skipped Fark and Digg and went straight to Reddit. I'm very happy to be here in the Fediverse/Lemmy world now.
I only joined Reddit five years ago. Leaving Reddit turned out to be pretty easy because I had other things to occupy my time with. I have a feeling that it's because I was never that attached to reddit to begin with.
I can relate to this. I think I've been on Reddit for about 6 years. I probably had a bit of an addiction but I used to be pretty serious into forums and I have already learned how to disconnect from internet communities more than a decade ago.
Haha I don't know what Digg is, but I came from 9gag to 8yrs of Reddit to now Lemmy.
Some of us are old enough to remember when social media sites that were "too big to die" died. We've been burned before, so we're making plans before that happens.
I haven't been here much since I joined last week, but one thing I noticed is I've barely seen any typos on Lemmy. While I definitely don't mind seeing the occasional typo, the number of spelling mistakes was getting annoying, and it's gotten progressively worse over the last year or so.
How do you even make any typos with all the autocorrect nowadays is beyond me.
Autocorrect is the cause of many of my typos
My autocorrect on my Galaxy s22+ is actually a detriment to me... It constantly changes "me" to "Mr" or "MT" and dumb shit like that.. I spend more time correcting 'autocorrects' than typing text.. Why is it so bad suddenly??
As someone with dyslexia I definitely still find a way sometimes.
I personally don't use auto correct for a couple reason, so typos still happen from time to time.
it's simpler when you use speech to text, or use autocorrect dictionary of wrong language
Ya bro u damn rite finalysumeonre has the guts to say it. I hope dis comunity stay crispy
I think people here might be more conscious of what they post, due to the relatively low quantity of things being posted here. On larger platforms, what you write is more likely to be overlooked, so people care less.
My pet peeve is when people put a space before the full stop or the exclamation mark. Something like this !
I can't describe how much that nonsense drives me up the wall. You have to go out of your way to put that space there and yet there's a non-trivial amount of people who do that. So much effort into wilfully making a mistake, over and over! It's even worse than people who say, "arrive to." And you can't tell me that the clowns doing this don't know what they're doing is wrong. They've definitely seen printed text before, whether it's a book or even just other people's comments, and none of it has that extra space.
I think many of the typos were on purpose. The idea was to get engagement and telling OP that they misspelled something was engagement. It's "algorithm think"
Yes.. we. Are all. Adults..🤫
Totally. Yup.
Or passing some sort of turing test looking for adulthood instead of ai.
This is like when people in 7th grade say that the 6th graders are sooo immature omg
And no repost bots. Reddit top posts are so filled with trash reposts I have seen the 69420 times like I am looking back my primary school homework
When I was a kid I thought grown ups were annoying, when I was in my 20s I thought teenagers were annoying, in my 30s I think people in their 20s are annoying. People will always have something to complain about others. “Kids” is just a different group for different people.
I'm 32 and indefinitely can relate. Every generation has been worse than the last since time immemorial, apparently.
Forget reddit or Lemmy. Kids love Instagram more than anything else!
and tiktok
This is fine.
Let them stay there.
Still?!?
It's not an age thing, It's the same reason the internet generally got toxic after a time people who aren't passionate about things take over and drown out the high effort contributers
Yeah and typo come from non native speaker too. Lemmy in not a american only thing
I think there's a difference between typos and the grammar of someone learning the language.
Meaning that you can usually differentiate between a native speaker of your language typing hastily and not bothering to correct themselves of clean up, vs a new person learning your language speaking in a generally broken manner. I think by typos OP was referring to the first case, and was probably not accusing ESL learners for having imperfect grammar.
This is the time before the Eternal September. Enjoy it while you can.
Nice username.
Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.
If you want, we can all pretend to be kids just like on /r/teenagers.
That place was so creepy.
Typical /r/ teenagers post:
Oh my god I think this girl likes me but idk I might be gay does that make me bi?
This must be such a confusing time to be a kid.
I was ther euntil I turned 19, then I stopped being a teen and left the sub. I went back to see what I posted /commented.
Nothing just emptiness, idk how I didn't realise
I disagree. Terrible take. It's never wise to discount, alienate, or exclude our youth. Growth is the name of the game and they're the ones who are going to be ushering in hopefully a better future. Who will they learn from if not us? You want them stewing with each other?
No. We maintain whatever nebulous internet "culture" we like and establish rules. Anyone, young or old, who doesn't adhere can suck eggs. That way young people learn how to act and we can hear them tell us about all the ways we need to better society.
Truly I believe that the children who develop during this time of overstimulation and rapid technological advancement will emerge maybe a bit... maladapted but better than us. Humans can be so resilient especially under supportive circumstances. Our intelligence is adaptive. So if you want to make a great internet community, maintain your respect for our kids.
So im new here for the obvious reason. This is my first comment here.
I hope to find more people with your mentality. It was nice to see a good reasoned response to a situation. So i guess i just wanted to say thank you for giving me hope that reddit shitting the bed is going to be the best thing since digg shit the bed
Ciao!
Lol omg thank you!!! That is really nice of you to say!! Weirdly, you replied to MY first comment here so welcome fellow newbie! We'll try to keep this place one we'd like to be in together.
Kids should never have been on Reddit, imo. Not because of their comments or the content they produce. But Reddit, and I guess social media in general, is for someone who can think critically and has some experience in life. Because there is so much garbage on there.
There are absolutely kids under 10 using Reddit right now, and they're getting introduced to the adult world by some of the sleaziest dysfunctional adults around. And even if they don't get that deep into Reddit, it's still not a healthy place for them. It's not healthy for adults, we all know that, but kids on Reddit are growing up with it as a major contributor to their worldviews.
You know, it's basically GIGO. Adults can, in theory, understand that what Reddit says is opinion (often extreme and bizarre opinion) and not fact, but kids won't.
Maturity really isn't the same as age: plenty of legally adult people (many already so for decades) around who are anything but mature individuals.
That said, as others here I think the absence of the subtle pressures derived from commercialization and profit-seeking make most of the difference.
Also, I've been thinking about the possibiility that both those already in Lemmy before and the Reddit refugees who came in recently, are at the most principled end of the spectrum compared with those still in Reddit (whose principles on the subject of ultra-authoritarian top-down imposition as done in Reddit clearly aren't strong enough to make them try something else), possibly also more confortable with change. This might make the crowd here at the moment a self-selected bunch leaning significantly more towards a certain psychological profile than the average which in turn (or so is my theory) affects the dominant tone of discussions here.
We are all early adopters here. They are typically more engaged with the product.
That is a really good point which I hadn't thought about.
No kids? I am a kid
It's past your bed time. Stay off my lawn. Get a jawb! Cut yer hair! Stop smokin' the devil's grass!
Stop smokin’ the devil’s
grasslettuce
FTFY
I'm ostensibly an adult and I love the devil's lettuce.
Meh, lets not.
In my experience, older people have to make conscious effort to maintain critical thinking and reasoning and not start lazily regurgitating settled, memorized opinions they've come rely on as absolutes, intead of allowing those beliefs to be subject to fresh challenges from novel perspectives that may change those opinions. Many do make that effort, and many do not. To paraphrase my favorite fictional character, if you refuse to change your mind, then you will die stupid.
Individuals are individuals of course though. I'm of the opinion that, on an individual basis, beyond the age of around 12, age is an extremely poor metric to estimate someone's intellect, wisdom, and insight. I'm in my mid 30s and have a master's degree in psychology with a 3.9 GPA. I recognize that there are 18 year olds that dwarf me intellectually, and more commonly 80 year olds who've lived lives devoid of reflection, who will die defending their long dead pappy's narrative about how the world works with anger rather than reason, solely because that's what they were told to believe. I have pity for that type, but very little patience.
That's a pretty good take. Generalizing doesn't help when we all have a chance to get the "stupid" genes at birth or get intellectually stuck at any moment of our lives.
Lots of kids, but the mental age of the user base is all adults (for now)
I dont know, it feels like reddit still and it isnt much about age. Pseudointelligents are present, braggers present, ad-hominem enthusiasts present, fingerprinting my machine to death most likely present, i still fear getting banned for speaking my mind as in all english-language spaces so it will probably be my first and last post on this website if not for the omnipresent abusive and constantly angry mods on every community oriented site i had posted on that bullied me for me being me and high functioning but still autism Mixed feelings, but gatekeeping quality destroyers works, thats my experience and objective knowledge that it works, and some spaces have lower demographics by age than this place but are the cozy village with admin that doesnt exploit it. Its not about age its about maturity Lets sit and watch what is going to hatch of this site, my feelings are mixed
It's so good because a lot of people have been waiting for a viable alternative to Reddit for half a decade or longer. It's non-corporate internet, the way it should be.
Non corporate internet, just like the days of old 🥲
It was like Mastadon and twitter, once they meseed up they got replaced, and alternative services become popular.
Unfortunately reddit was the de facto place to find information and ask questing and be sure to find an answer, now the communities are actually split in half.
I really hope Lemmy will get better over time, we could create briedges like matrix for some popular sub*s
As long as there are no well-known apps on any app store, there are going to be less kids, since they probably don't want to go through GitHub. I find most of them are somewhat afraid of downloading apks from websites they might not use often.
I’m using TestFlight and it’s incredibly simple. A kid could definitely get the apps on ios. But I think kids just have no reason to care about this stuff. They just want a website where their friends are.
Keep Lemmy weird
Which is normally a really good thing...
I forget that most "kids" (Idk 20 and down maybe a few years older) only know the internet and technology via Facebook and android/iPhone respectively.
I scroll on my phone PLENTY, I'm not judging, but I can't imagine not having a desktop or laptop at least.
I just use the websites for every social media app, including lemmy. Seems better than apps to me.
wefwef is a progressive web app you can use that's kind of cool
The internet as a whole was much better when websites and services were not designed to cater to kids.
The internet was good when it's all just geeks
As a geek myself (or so I like to think), I disagree.
I've worked and been friends with, for example, people from creative areas, and it's definitelly a much greater whole than the sum of the parts when you put people with such different ways of thinking together.
There are some quite massive blind spots in the typical geek-style way of looking at and going about things, IMHO.
I suspect that there is some other factor, maybe something that most geeks have but which is not only geeks who have it. Tentativelly I would say some kind of drive to create/make/contribute.
I loved reddit but there were definitely times where it felt like I was in a high school cafeteria.
Yeah the testing of boundaries gets old fast. it felt like babysitting someone's bored teenager. I have a block list longer than my body and I'm tall for a person
Reminds me of Reddit around 2010.
Minus the sus stuff that used to show up when anyone googled “Reddit”.
Seriously, how were we ever okay with one of the site’s flagship communities revolving around perving on children. I even remember thinking it wasn’t that bad because “hey I’m not the one using that subreddit” but wtf
What do you mean? I'm 16/f/cali
the kids are alright
I'm not convinced.
The deep rock galactic subreddit got overrun by kids and their stupid, shit memes, long live Lemmy!
Rock and Stone!
FOR CARL!!
I'm doing my part!
I remember shortly after the death of digg rage comics being peak humor and suddenly an influx of kids not understanding how to make a rage comic killing that sub.
It reminds me of the day the internet died, when so many new AOL users overwhelmed the forums at the time and killed all the etiquette that had formed up to that point. Internet been stagnant for longer than it should have been. I’m excited to see where things go now.
Hiiiiiii guys! ~
I'm new heeereeeee! Am 12/f/cali looking for cutey cutey fweends!!!!! Uwu
i cant remember the last time i saw anyone do ASL that wasnt in their 30s now
My immediate thought too. Nobody under 40 is pulling out the ASL
holds up spork*
Huh... I just thought everyone here was just well spoken and kind
The "asshole" users will show up too. they're not nessecarily kids
Yeah I've already arrived 😎
Upfront it's like that. You can still "make the wrong comment" and get attacked by people for extended periods of time who seem to have nothing better to do than dig through huge threads looking to argue with strangers who are already getting downvoted.
Edit: thankfully it's actually kind of fun having all of them argue with chatGPT.
I find that tech communities are the worst offenders of this
I'm 17
Coming from someone who was your age before you were born: you do you.
'Age' is mostly just a matter of experience and perspective anyways. I could be as old as earth itself but lack the experience to know any better. On the other hand, you could have a better perspective on things (compared to me) because you have been through a lot, or is more thoughtful and reflective about things.
This is the key. I know older people who act like they're in their twenties, and 30 year olds who act like curmudgeonly old men. My girlfriend's grandfather decided almost overnight that he was an old man and suddenly began to act the part.
Half of age is perspective.
I don't support age shaming. Let's not be those people.
Yeah the kids these days have some weird memes and I’m here for it. So much better than the rage comics from when I was their age
Would you not consider people in their mid twenties kids?
I'm in my early 30s and still feel like a child most of the time
Second this. Older guy once told me and it always stuck since.
"I've always mentally felt 18, but my body tells me otherwise."
I still get excited over childish things, and sometimes try to participate and wonder how I used to do some of these said things back then. Paintball is still fun and I can keep up, but I definitely feel it the next day.
It doesn't wear off. I fell off a skateboard when I was 59, only the torn rotator cuff (and 1 year of painful rehab) let me know I shouldn't have tried going down that hill...
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I hail from the days of BBS (Fidonet days), text based internet, email, Newsgroups (Eternal September Survivor), Slashdot, Digg, Reddit, now here. It's all about what you have to contribute, how you communicate, and how you present yourself. I thought everyone I talked to was 30; yet met a few of my fellow BBS friends in High School.
Statistics say that at least 50% of the internet are bots!
What do statistics say about their distribution on different sites?