Do you believe in God?

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nah, religion seems like a scam that usually results in unhinged beliefs and abuse.
Not a fan generally speaking.
if you dig into any religions beliefs, it goes into some wild fairy tail stuff that just...doesnt happen.
Not to mention that folks tend to base their morals on religion, and religions have very flawed morals.
the difference between god and myself is that if I could, I would prevent a child from getting bone cancer.
- Religion did have good morals in theory. Not in practice.
  Also, unrelated to your points, religion didn't evolve. It stayed about the same for thousands of years, despite new science.
  
  Religion did have good morals in theory
  Which one is that?
  
  That jesus dude had some pretty liberal thoughts. Buddhism was a nice reaction to the caste system. The method of delivery may not be inherently moral, but it is possible to manipulate a population in a way overall beneficial to society.
  
  That jesus dude had some pretty liberal thoughts
  He personally, maybe. I didn't know the guy. The religion that grew around him, though ... not so much.
  I'm not sure if it's because of his father or he just had terrible editors for his posthumous book release. But some of the stuff in there is quite abhorrent.
  
  It's quite easy to find a lot of legitimately disgusting stuff in there, true. I'm on the antireligious apatheist side of things, so you don't have to convince me on that. But I wouldn't go as far as saying some religions' fundamental pillars don't have any good messages behind it. "Love one another" alone isn't too bad at face value, isn't it?
  
  We a have so many other books now that contain all those good messages, even a lot more with more relevance to modern life, without all the terrible stuff and non-sense.
  It just makes no sense to keep a 2000 old book around for a couple of good messages that are already thaught in many other, more modern stories and context.
  
  The point was "do religions have any good in them", not "are religious texts still relevant".
  
  No, that was not the point. They point was "do Relgions have good morals" and the answere is clearly no.
  
  I see. You seem to interpret it as "are they moral as a whole". I interpreted it as "do they have any good morals". I don't think either affirmation is contradictory.
  
  I interpreted it as “do they have any good morals”
  That seems like quite a low bar. Basically the broken clock being right twice a day.
  No relgious person goes around and says "never mind that jesus and god stuff, I'm just in it because of the "you shalt not kill"". It's always about bundling in all the irrelevant crap. Those couple good stories about helping neighbours doesn't offset that.
  
  i didnt say religion only had bad morals. broken clocks and such.
  but christianity in specific has a lot of flawed morals that christians handwave. like Mary being 12 when she gave birth to Jesus, or pretty much everything old testament.
  claims of a perfect and just omnipotent god while stuff like that flies is sloppy.
- If you need to rely on an external force and fear of hell to have morals, you’re not a good person.

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