Do you believe in God?
Do you believe in God?
Do you believe in God?
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. — Seneca
What's a mob to a king? What's a king to a god? What's a god to an atheist?
What’s the atheist to the inquisition?
Nonbeliever*
Nobody asked about religion.
Feel free to substitute "the existence of a God" for "religion" then.
Which one?
The spaghetti monster
Ramen to that!
nah, religion seems like a scam that usually results in unhinged beliefs and abuse.
Not a fan generally speaking.
if you dig into any religions beliefs, it goes into some wild fairy tail stuff that just...doesnt happen.
Not to mention that folks tend to base their morals on religion, and religions have very flawed morals.
the difference between god and myself is that if I could, I would prevent a child from getting bone cancer.
Religion did have good morals in theory. Not in practice.
Also, unrelated to your points, religion didn't evolve. It stayed about the same for thousands of years, despite new science.
Religion did have good morals in theory
Which one is that?
i didnt say religion only had bad morals. broken clocks and such.
but christianity in specific has a lot of flawed morals that christians handwave. like Mary being 12 when she gave birth to Jesus, or pretty much everything old testament.
claims of a perfect and just omnipotent god while stuff like that flies is sloppy.
If you need to rely on an external force and fear of hell to have morals, you’re not a good person.
I'm an agnostic theist, I believe in the possibility of god(s) or god-like entities.
There is a quote I resonate with by Marcus Aurelius:
Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. I am not afraid.
Exactly! I haven't seen any proof of a god(s) but I'm willing to keep an open mind. At the end of the day if I live life trying to do well, I should be good.
That quote resonates a lot with me as well.
Wow, I had no idea that there was a quote out there that aligns so well with my beliefs. I grew up in a semi religious household but was never forced to go to church. My parents encouraged me to go, not only to theirs but even go with friends that were different religions.
After going to various churches through some really vulnerable times I still don't subscribe to any religion, but I also can't bring myself to go full atheist.
Too bad that quote is way too long for a tattoo 🤣
It's a bit wordier (well, most people are wordier than the stoics lol) but Socrates had the right idea too I think:
Let us reflect in another way, and we shall see that there is great reason to hope that death is a good, for one of two things: - either death is a state of nothingness and utter unconsciousness, or, as men say, there is a change and migration of the soul from this world to another.
Now if you suppose that there is no consciousness, but a sleep like the sleep of him who is undisturbed even by the sight of dreams, death will be an unspeakable gain. For if a person were to select the night in which his sleep was undisturbed even by dreams, and were to compare with this the other days and nights of his life, and then were to tell us how many days and nights he had passed in the course of his life better and more pleasantly than this one, I think that any man, I will not say a private man, but even the great king, will not find many such days or nights, when compared with the others. Now if death is like this, I say that to die is gain; for eternity is then only a single night. But if death is the journey to another place, and there, as men say, all the dead are, what good, O my friends and judges, can be greater than this?
If indeed when the pilgrim arrives in the world below, he is delivered from the professors of justice in this world, and finds the true judges who are said to give judgment there, Minos and Rhadamanthus and Aeacus and Triptolemus, and other sons of God who were righteous in their own life, that pilgrimage will be worth making. What would not a man give if he might converse with Orpheus and Musaeus and Hesiod and Homer? Nay, if this be true, let me die again and again. I, too, shall have a wonderful interest in a place where I can converse with Palamedes, and Ajax the son of Telamon, and other heroes of old, who have suffered death through an unjust judgment; and there will be no small pleasure, as I think, in comparing my own sufferings with theirs. Above all, I shall be able to continue my search into true and false knowledge; as in this world, so also in that; I shall find out who is wise, and who pretends to be wise, and is not.
What would not a man give, O judges, to be able to examine the leader of the great Trojan expedition; or Odysseus or Sisyphus, or numberless others, men and women too! What infinite delight would there be in conversing with them and asking them questions! For in that world they do not put a man to death for this; certainly not. For besides being happier in that world than in this, they will be immortal, if what is said is true.
No.
Imo the more you think about it the more you realize that "god" is just a very human way to cope with feeling lonely or powerless, and life having no ultimate direction or purpose. People imagine a friend or guardian who has a plan and will set things right, and some use this shared fantasy to make others do what they want.
From the things I've seen in my lifetime I can only assume there's no God, and if there is a God then he's not worth worshipping for letting the amount of suffering exist as there is in the world today.
Seconded.
I don't believe in any deities. Although, Greek mythology really would be cool if it was real.
Cool, and also terrifying.
Like The Fonz wielding a chain saw
If there is a god, it takes a special sadist to allow the amount of torment present on earth.
So I prefer to believe there's no higher spirit ravelling in the suffering of all creatures rather than there being a malevolent creator watching with glee as we die a slow, painful death.
When I was religious (I'm not any more) that was something that never actually troubled me. I believed that god was benevolent but that suffering must be necessary in ways that we humans can't conceive of. Who were we to question the grander plan?
basically believing in god is akin to believing that this is all just a game of sims some twisted being is playing
Here we go...
EDIT: Surprisingly not as toxic as I thought...
You must've been thinking of Reddit...
Yeah I thought for sure people would be duking it out in the comments section, but Lemmy seems to come to a (mostly) unanimous agreement here.
Welcome to Lemmy :)
But for real, if you go to the comment section on instagram or something comparable, its really toxic compared to Lemmy. But I'm also a bit worried as mastodon seems to become more toxic over the time, hopefully Lemmy stays the same
Do you believe in Santa?
Only when If I get expensive gifts.
I remember I actually stopped believing in God at the same time I realised Santa wasn't real.
Same.
I read satan and got so confused by the replies
Yes, becuse in my family, all the older family members make him real for the younger kids. We actively work together to make Christmas a magical time by telling stories and staying up late to put out presents. I know that Santa is not a real person but I believe I can keep his "spirit alive" by giving heartfelt presents and spending quality time with my family.
I personally am atheist but I will admit that many religions have good teachings. I don't believe in the gods from those religions but I can follow the guidelines to living a good life.
Yes, and yes to the OP. It's very similar.
An older family member once asked my siblings and me, as older teenagers, whether we believed in Santa. We scoffed, laughed, and incredulously said of course not.
She responded that she believed in Santa, and she gave this explanation: Santa is a cultural shorthand for generosity. Do you believe in the spirit of giving? Do you want to see smiles on children's faces on Christmas morning? Do you want to make the people you love light up because you had special, almost supernatural, insight into their heart's desire and made it real?
I don't believe a magical man in a red suit gives presents and coal to kids. I similarly don't believe in a white bearded cloudy Jewish giant in the sky.
But I believe that there's something sublime and immaterial in the love we can have for one another, something only partially explained by ecologic survival pressures and biochemistry. I think there is something out there beyond what we can perceive on a daily basis, and for lack of a better lexicon, "spiritual" is as good a term as anyone for the realm of the imperceptible.
So I think there's a God, and I think there's a Santa. I don't understand either, and I think they're neither anything quite like we expect. And God the Creator is certainly an asshole sometimes. But I think there's Someone out there.
That's kinda just equivocation though.
Do you believe in Santa Claus?
Yes, but only if you define Santa Claus as something entirely different than what you intended when you asked the question.
She responded that she believed in Santa, and she gave this explanation: Santa is a cultural shorthand for generosity. Do you believe in the spirit of giving? Do you want to see smiles on children’s faces on Christmas morning? Do you want to make the people you love light up because you had special, almost supernatural, insight into their heart’s desire and made it real?
Santa is a cultural shorthand for consumerism. Going by your reasoning, god is a cultural shorthand for rationalizing one's own wrongdoing, lack of innate morality and misunderstanding of the world.
Apatheist here. Whether there is or isn't a god, I don't give a shit. Just stop trying to shove your shit down my throat and leave me the fuck alone.
You can't disprove God because you can keep changing the definition. If I define God as the culmination of everything in the universe, you can't really disprove that.
If you disagree with me, then I can just keep changing the definition of God!
Surely the reason you can’t disprove God is because you can’t leave the universe. Since it isn’t possible for us to know what is outside of our universe we can’t prove or disprove a god’s existence.
This makes a very large assumption that the universe is something that you can leave at all
The god argument can't be contradicted because it's not based on logic. People can just make up rules for their gods, and they usually don't care if those conform to reality or logic as we know it.
E.g. I can just say that logically disproving my god is a proof of its godhood, because it defies and is beyond human understanding. That's just not something you can argue about.
Assuming you are sarcastic - I agree wholeheartedly.
Look up The Invisible Dragon anecdote by Carl Sagan (in his Demon Haunted World book), or for more serious people - Falsifiability principle by Karl Popper, If you haven't already.
Do I believe in god? No.
Do I deny the existence of god? No.
I don't have evidence either way
Since science is deductive it's probably impossible to prove the negative there, but I think there's enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt that you can confidently deny it (unless your god is non-falsifiable, in which case it's not worth discussion).
Same logic applies to unicorn and dragons, to be honest
they might exist, somewhere
No, not at all. I went to a christian high school and that experience removed pretty much any doubts I might have had.
I'm a happy atheist, don't really care about all this religious stuff. I don't mind that others believe, just as long as they don't impose their views on others.
I believe there is an all powerful being made of spaghetti and meatballs floating somewhere out there. May you all be touched by his noodley appendage!
R'amen
Which one?
Do you believe in Santa?
Last year my youngest was in kindergarten around the time of St. Patrick's Day here in the U.S. At some point they went out to recess and came back in to find little chocolate coins wrapped in gold foil on their desks. I picked him up after school and as we were driving away I asked how school was. He told me that he thinks leprechauns might be real. I asked what made him think they might be and he gave me the "we left class and when we came back there was chocolate on our desks" answer. I asked him if something else could have happened, like a teacher leaving them, and he said no, because the door is locked when they leave. I told him "maybe it was a rainbow unicorn who left the chocolate." His response was very dismissive. He said "no Dad, that's impossible because rainbow unicorns don't exist." He's a sharp kid but he's not quite at the logic stage. :)
leprechauns
Kids brains are funny. I used my superior child logical skills to proof to my parents why santa is not real, I was so proud... And a few years later I had an absolute psychological meltdown crisis after realizing that the Easter bunny isn't real 🥲
I mean, who else is bringing me presents on Christmas?
The tooth fairy?
No, and I have peace in my life because I do not have that abusive relationship.
Nope. At best, religion is a fairytale created for those who are uncomfortable with ignorance, and at worst, it's a tool to control gullible people.
No. There is no God and if there was one, most of the gore crimes in the pasage of history should have been stopped like human trafficking, slavery, child abuse and countless murders. If there is one and he is simply watching, he should not be worshipped.
No.
No. And I dont believe in anything supernatural.
I have a more abstract view on it. God is Universe. A world at large with only the will to exist. I just don't use the word God because of the implications.
That kinda sounds like pantheism.
Kinda similar thinking, but if there's a creator, I think they intended Earth (or the universe) as a simulation or like an ant farm. No judging, just for entertainment. They probably love the stupid shit we do as humanity.
There have been over 18,000 different gods, goddesses, and various animals or objects worshipped by humanity since we started writing our history, and likely countless more that have been lost to time. The majority of these worshipped deities are no longer believed in, and the fact we as a species have been unable to move beyond the fairytales of omnipotent gods told during the bronze age will never cease to amaze me.
Religion in all its various current forms is a tool of manipulation used against the masses to keep them complacent and scared. That being said, even though I tend to lean towards an atheististic view, I will concede that the possibility exists of a higher life form we may consider as a god. If such a life form does exist, it would be so far beyond our ability to comprehend that any claim to know what it expects of us is pure human foolishness or intended maliciously to control the ignorant.
I live my life by the simple principle that if a god exists and is a just god then I'll be judged by my actions in this life, whether I caused harm to others or lived well doing what I'm able to make the world better, and not on whether or not I believed in and worshipped them. If a god exists that would punish me for all eternity for not worshipping them, then they are not a just god, and as such would be unworthy of such devotion. Bottomline is we will never know as long as we live, and with as short as our lives are, why waste them worrying about what we can never know. Just live your life well, be kind to others, and be the best you that you can be.
Edit: fixed a typo
I guess I'm an agnostic, with a similar view. I try to be the person my dog thinks I am, and Mr. Rodgers thought I could be.
No.
Which?
Yep. In all of them, just to be sure in case...
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Nope, if I’m wrong and there is a god I plan to kick their dick instead out for all the anguish and suffering that could have been avoided. god cannot be both omnipotent and all loving. Only one or the other.
Also, in the loosely remembered words of Ricky Gervais, “if all recorded history of religion, and of science were suddenly erased from the earth; in a thousand years you’d have all the science back exactly the same, but the religions would be totally different.” Which I find very compelling.
In regards to that quote, there is at least one exception though.
The Naassenes died out in the 4th-5th centuries CE and their two written works were lost until one was recovered in 1945 and they remain largely unknown by lay audiences.
And yet a number of their beliefs are quite alive and well today with no direct influence on that modern resurgence, such as the idea that we are in a non-physical recreation of an earlier world where life occurred spontaneously, that the creator of that recreation was itself brought forth by an original humanity, and that the proof for this lies in the study of motion and rest - particularly around the existence of indivisible parts of matter.
None of that was scientifically indicated in antiquity.
And yet today we see many of those ideas among theology/philosophy inspired by modern science and technology.
The idea that we are in a recreated non-physical simulation of an earlier evolved physical world.
The idea that AI, brought forth by an original humanity, could be running such a simulation.
And many proponents of that theory look to physics (the subject which studies motion and rest) for potential evidence, with many incorporating the now scientifically proven evidence of quantum mechanics (indivisible parts of matter) to support that theory.
So the quote is factually incorrect. There was a set of religious beliefs that was effectively eradicated from public consciousness for nearly two millennia yet has ended up resurging again independent of the original set of beliefs.
(And frankly given developments in just the past 5 years, this rare exception to that quote probably should get a closer look then it has to date.)
Interesting. Can you provide some documentation on the Naassenes and their belief that we are in a 'non-physical recreation of an earlier world'? I did some brief research just now but couldn't locate this.
That is wild! How dare you bring awkward facts into a faith-orientated discussion...
What an absolutely crazy thing
I think this case is far too micro in scale when the question looks at the concept of religion and science as a whole. Of course you’ll have similar ideas across centuries that trend up and down like everything else does. If humanity just went back to have no idea what religion or science is, when they rebuilt their understanding of the world, science would be entirely the same. All of science. Not a handful of theories. The whole thing. People will make new gods though. The planet is completely different now. The reasons religion was even thought about will no longer be the same. The quote really pushes the stance that religion as a concept and whole is made up, and science is not.
If Ricky Gervais ends up in mastodon I’d want to hear their reasoning.
No
Nope. Can't understand the reasoning behind "some dude has always existed, you can't see him though or touch him or anything, but he created everything! Also only we few know about this and only recently! All the other beliefs are wrong." Where would a giant fairy come from? No idea.
Spent a good while searching for evidence as a doubting kid. Didn't find anything. I realized the absurdity later on of believing in ghosts and psychics and magic when one of the defining qualities is how they can't be recorded or even reproduced scientifically.
God loves you, watches you, judges you and can do anything, but he won't move a leaf on the floor to tell a crying bullied kid to hold on to hope, that he exists. God is such a human-centric thing anyway. Humans are specks of nothingness, a million years in a tiny planet in a sea of infinite time and space. But yeah some dude created us specifically and we look like him!
I just realized I'm on the God account. 🙏😐 (God wants people to doubt him so he can send them to hell without feeling bad about it?!?!)
Come on, God, you need to believe in yourself!
No
No. And while I will treat those who do with the same level of dignity and respect I grant to everyone, I secretly do think less of them for it (especially when I see them perpetuating the indoctrination with their children).
Nope. Or to be more specific, I have not been convinced by any of the claims of a god that have been presented to me.
Ever read Spinoza?
Not extensively but I'm familiar with the ideas I think. To me it's almost similar to deistic beliefs where one tries to assign a god label to some foundational force in the universe, but in a way that doesn't add any information.
I just refreshed my memory with a Stanford philosophy page on him and I can see why it's appealing. A lot of his axioms make sense and I do believe (in an e=mc² kinda way) that there is only one underlying thing, which is energy. But to define that energy as god just doesn't add anything useful imo. Plus the whole "necessarily existing and containing all properties" thing is a stretch imo.
I've been raised as a Christian, but always found it weird that there was zero proof and all based on a book. It seems like the longest running book club ever. I'm still going to church regularly, mainly because I enjoy the company and the church we're going to promotes a good lifestyle: Take care of each other, respect other's people's choices, and be kind.
I really despise the news where people are banning e.g. aborting / LGBTQ /queer in the name of Christianity. Just respect what other people do!
And I think there are things we can't explain. I recently read "After" written by a doctor who has spent decades to research NDE's and there are many things he can't explain, and scientists still don't know what exactly the conscience is.
you don't need proof when you have ✨faith✨
Of course not, that's silly.
All people are atheists towards most of the "gods" humans came up with. I just go a step further and refuse to believe in one more.
Nope. Never have that I remember.
I did go to Catholic school though
No
I was almost 14 years old when I lost my faith. I grew up in severe poverty, was severely depressed due to bullying and my weight, and I am LGBT. I found a website listing the inconsistencies in the Bible. I attempted to show my grandmother, who proceeded to laugh in my face. So I kept reading, then I came to a conclusion on my own.
The moment it finally "clicked" it honestly felt like a weight off my shoulders. Like I'd finally was free. My lack of faith hasn't waivered since then.
How could people have faith in a non-interfering God who allows terrible events, even to young children? If such a God exists but doesn't intervene, then there's no reason to worship it, as its presence holds no significance for humanity. Moreover, it's likely that if this God is real and unaware of our existence, it's because we're inconsequential. This becomes even more plausible if numerous planets similar to Earth with their own life forms exist.
So, Egyptian god of the Apocalypse. I got two of them and agree completely. Very sleepy but still demanding.
No. There hasn't been any evidence to convince me of the existence of such an entity.
Who cares?
If God exists in the Judeo Christian sense, they seemingly fucked off and stopped caring a while back and creation hit perpetual motion status a while back for better or worse
If I was created in their image they totally get why I'm skeptical given the rest of their fan club and also gestures around
If you want to believe in that stuff: do you. I legit hope you get something positive or if it, BUT... Just like crossfit, veganism or astrology; I can hang in a casual conversation, but don't recruit me. I did my research. Not for me, thank you.
No, and this shouldn’t matter to you or anyone else.
Oh shush.
It doesn't matter what I believe; what matters is that God believes in itself. Gotta keep that spirit up!
… and would you give the same answer if asked at a checkpoint in Afghanistan?
Oh that's a scary ass scenario but a point that needed to be made.
Nope.
I don't know, and no one has any good arguments.
A god is not required to explain anything in the universe, so I just assume a god does not exist.
In the Cristian sense of god, god has no direct effect on the world, making the question meaningless.
It would be the same as believing there is an teapot in orbit between Uranus and Neptune, too small and dark to see with any telescope. I could say it exists, and no one would be able to disprove me, but that doesn't make it real.
Strangely enough, if instead of a teapot (which at least would be possible, if hugly impractical to find) you use an entity that is invisible, intangible, does not do anything else that could allow it to be detected (most omni-gods), then billions believe it.
Fuck no.
No.
Also this isn't an open-ended question.
Absolutely not
I dont believe in anything like gods, ghosts, magic etc
Which of the 1’000 or so proposed ones are you talking about? (The answer is no for all of them for the same reason: A complete lack of evidence)
Yes. (I'm a protestant Christian.)
Hello fellow Protestant Christian! 😀
Heyo, same here