Rich coming from him. Anybody got any of those... "Elon Musk doing a Nazi sign" gif?
Rich coming from him. Anybody got any of those... "Elon Musk doing a Nazi sign" gif?

Rich coming from him. Anybody got any of those... "Elon Musk doing a Nazi sign" gif?

Waaaah, regulations are Nazi ideology! Shut the fuck up Elon. Even anarchists realise the need to regulate shit so it doesnt get out of hand.
"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU TELL ME HOW TO BEHAVE IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU NAZI?"
I'm actually interested, how would that work? As far as I know, anarchism is based around the removal of a state, so would it be up to the people to enforce these regulations? Or are we sorta working on the honour system here?
Yes exactly, authority would either come directly from the community or if need be, a temporary apparatus until the communityncan assume the authority. The point is to not leave any institutions lying around the psycho and sociopaths can hijack like they are now.
Well, anarchism in general isn't a "Get rid of state" nuclear button type of thing just as all communism isn't a magic "skip the socialism part" ideology. (I'm skipping this part a bit, but if you need/want this explained, feel free to ask!)
There are more and less "extreme" versions of both. And the core idea is to abolish state authority, although the way they go around it is very different, but I feel the percieved reasons (by anarchists in particular) as to why it should be done are the most misunderstood thing about anarchism in general.
One of the core tenants of anarchism is its definition of a state: A monopoly on violence, full stop. And I have to add, this definition is academically accepted, as in, all academic definitions of a state agree on the "monopoly of violence" part, but also add other things into the focus of what "a state" embodies, while anarchists don't.
The reason for this is that a state inherently takes away power away from the people, no matter how "good" the state itself is. If anything, the bureacuratic process oftentimes harms its citizens and makes misinformed decisions based on procedure rather than the facts and merits of each case (which is a general fact of life anarchism isn't immune to, but it hopes to avoid).
Another reason is that to save costs, decisions aren't made by all people in referendums on a local or national scale, but by nationwide election to decide "representatives" who wote in the general electorate's stead. Or because it concentrates power and money in the hands of the few. But it probably goes both ways.
Anarchism doesn't believe in "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" as much as it believes people should make all the important decisions. It is also aware of the fact that some compromises have to be made in reality.
This is why a bunch of streams in anarchism aren't so focused on achieving direct democracy (a general referendum for every little thing imaginable), but rather want to upend the direction of power: all power must be bottom-up, as opposed to top-down: people join into neighborhood councils, which join into larger units of various sizes and names. Self-sufficiency is valued and respected, but isn't a requisite. People aren't islands, but being less dependant on others is seen as a good idea.
And it's not just limited to democracy. People are expected to be members of multiple "home units", for example a geographic one, a work-related one and one for a social issues they have strong feelings about. In other words, "Anarchism applied" translates strongly into workplace syndicalism and membership in charitous organizactions, i.e. looking out for your own interests as well as helping other members of the community.
These smaller units make smaller decisions. As they form larger ones, they jointly decide their leadership, but the focus is always on the top being more dependant on the bottom than vice versa, all the way up to the national assembly (or even beyond).
The most important idea here is the "social contract". Individuals "sign off" a part of their "rights" (i.e. give decisionmaking power) to the larger units, in hopes of achieving a stronger, more general impact.
This is the core idea about globak decisionmaking. With power comes responsiblity. The more units join in on this issue, the more accoubtability the newly-formed body has. These are kind of like government-run agencies and departments work today, but are formed by groups "joining in", as opposed to an assembly "going down" and saying "This town needs a hospital, thus one doesn't". Or "The maximum number of hotels in a city is one every 15 blocks" (What is a block? What is a hotel? Why everywhere, etc?).
It's not quite different from how contemporary democracy works in theory. Merely the accountability in practice is flipped right around. The rest can stay mostly the same.
In contemporary democtacy, there are only a few elections for a few rigid bodies. In anarchism there'd be more bodies which would make up those bodies. Those bodies would retain some of their power*, but the lesser bodies could (and would) exercise some of that power as well.
Decisionmaking bodies are still made up of experts, but not spawned from above, but rather synthesized from bellow.
Power corrupts, so all power must be spread as democratically as possible. Holders of concentrared power must be personally and fully accountable to those under them whom they represent (and not, say, view those underneath them as pawns on their personal chess-board).
People agree on a regulation for a product > you claim compliance to that regulation voluntarily and mark it on your product > consumers chose whether to buy a regulated or unregulated product
crickets
I got you fam
EDIT: Lemmy server disagrees
EDIT2:
Really feeling that "my heart goes out to you" stiff grimace
Elon Musk is a Moron and a fascist.
If EU really was Nazi, I bet he'd be really happy about it, he tried to help AfD in Germany the most Nazi like party in Europe since the actual Nazis.
This is just a "no you" response, to try to water down claims about Nazism, when the threat is actually real in USA, and Elon Musk is absolutely among the drivers of it.
EU is on the contrary fighting it, and fighting to uphold international law, after USA abandoned international law, democracy and human rights completely.
If anybody doubt that the AfD is a nazi party, this was a real electoral poster
Holy shit. And that's legal in Germany? What about "never again"?
Even their logo does a Nazi salute. The swoosh is basically the motion a hand makes when it sieg heils
Was that after elon's cough "roman salute"?
They couldn't resist making even the arrow look like a sieg heil. The arrow!
I thought he didn’t like the EU
"Any political Ideology I don't agree with is nazism, oh I was just making a harmless hand gesture don't you dare call me a Nazi!"
we need a version of that hulk and trump .gif, but replace trump with elon musk. seriously!
Communism is when the government does stuff, nazi is when laws are applied. Easy.
So does he like us or not?!
Coming from Elon, I'm guessing this is a compliment.
Every accusation is a confession, as per usual.
If that were true he would love the EU
Is he admitting it or calling someone else this?
He's having a tantrum directed at the EU right now for fining X.
He knows he's a Nazi. That's why he did two Nazi salutes that one time that he got excited while on stage at the Republican convention.
But there's a reason why fascists usually call themselves something else. Even the Nazis called themselves "socialists." It's because they know that their real views unpopular, or even if they're somewhat popular, they're embarrassing enough to have a stigma, and people who express their true views will face a penalty. So, of course, they'll only call other people "nazi" and pretend like they're not nazis.
Here is the gif of Hitler and Elon doing a nazi salute
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fb0aab42-450c-4b89-85b0-592ea842b13e.gif
I am here, deliberately. I've never even signed up for twitter. Can we leave it to him & his vile cronies, & not share the ramblings of a pathetic little man baby?
I bet people create these memes just to get a "!!" from Musk. Xhitter.
That isn't the twitter flag. I mean half of it is. The red half.
vivian wilson (elon's daughter) should really start a social media site and also run for representative, just to watch her father squirm. seriously!
Liquidate Musk (financially, in Minecraft)
I'm reminded of the liquidators from Chernobyl who had to turn up the entire first few inches of topsoil and kill all the dogs and shit from around the whole area. I wish we could do that for radioactive people like musk
So the french are on the nazi side this time which makes me happy. I just wonder what Italy will do 🤔
Half of france was on the Nazi side last time…
You mean because they were fascist on their own or a part of the French population secretly supported the enemy side. The second one would be very new to me.
Yupperdoodles!
If anything Elon did it with even more vigour than Hitler. And you have to consider Elon Musk himself. He supports the AfD and gives Nazis safe spaces on his platform. I still remember when people tried to gaslight everyone by claiming he wasn't doing a Nazi salute, using still images of left wing politicians simply reaching out their hand as their "why aren't you calling them Nazis? You must be a hypocrite" excuse. Usually under the false guise of "I'm just asking questions" or "I'm neutral on the whole thing". It was really stupid because that wasn't even remotely the same thing but they thought they were being really clever. Anyone else remember that? It was nuts how far people went to defend him while Elon only sees them as sources of profit and nothing more
They are merely a proto-fascist organization.
But I guess the US nazi's don't want the competition.
Nazi is the epitome of modern double speak. Liberals like Musk simply can't decide whether the term is based edgy free speech or an existential threat to their ability to make money freedoms and liberties.
fuck EU speech laws & elon is a broken clock
Nah elmo is just broken. All that K
What laws are you referring to?