We can play that game too

Yep, the real war is the class war and the billionaires are winning.

opinion: individualism is a plague and the generational war is a distraction

people should be able to have their own sense of choice and identity.

people should also realise that together we can make it so that everyone can reach their full potential, making society better.

pay your fucking taxes

There can be more than one issue, of which both of these are a problem.

The boomers and the rediculously wealthy have the same mindset: fuck you, I've got mine

Jokes on you, I pay for schools and am still surrounded by dumb people!

How unbearable would it be if they received no education, I can't imagine.

As someone who works on private wells and water systems, its always baffling to me when someone with a "hunt camp" more luxurious than any house I'll ever afford is complaining about the cost of our services. Like dude your "camp" is 2000 sqft and 200 kms from the nearest city. Yea its gonna cost a bit to make your well water clean, clear, and safe to drink while running on a solar system.

They'll even start to question my wage and why the bill costs so much (as if i have any say) completely tone death to the struggles of people outside their class. They imply if i was paid less their bill would be much cheaper despite me barely making enough to own my own tiny home and my wages really aren't a major cost on the bill.

You are not free to do any of those things as the land is owned and you would be squatting. These people are removed by force. There is no choice except engage with society as there are no other options.

They’re free to go live in the wilderness, with no roads, no fire department, no water or electricity, no services whatever, and find out how much they’re actually benefiting from our collective.

That's the neat part. They do try, repeatedly, and it always fails. A classic one is Grafton. It's also known as A Libertarian Walks into a Bear because their little paradise got overrun by aggressive bears. Lack of public services will do that.

we live in a society, while rich people live in an economy

They’re free to go live in the wilderness, with no roads, no fire department, no water or electricity, no services whatever, and find out how much they’re actually benefiting from our collective.

Where?

This is what I want to do, but I can’t afford to buy land on which to do it (and not just any land is useful for this either, it needs to be capable of supporting people before you can count it). Land enough to support a small homestead isn’t cheap, and zoning/local laws often restricts what you can do on it. So for example you may buy land, but not be allowed to drill a well, even if you have the means and knowledge to do so. Or if you buy land you can afford, you may not be allowed to build a permanent structure on it at all.

You’ll get kicked out (and possibly fined) of both state and national parks in the US if they find you “permanently camping”, which they are likely to do since there are frequently people out there. The only other option is squatting on private property. If you get caught before whatever time passes for squatters laws to take effect, you lose everything you’ve built up.

I mean don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind paying for things I’ll never use because it makes society as a whole better. All I’m saying is opting out of living in a society is nearly impossible for most people even if they are ok with not having all the stuff society funds like roads and fire control.

The rich and powerful are making us hate each other to distract us of the real problems of the world

Not that I disagree, but 90 would be silent generation.

I love a happy ending.

Voting needs a max age cap, and it needs to be lowered to 15-16 imo.

And it absolutely does benefit them personally, just in ways they're too dumb to see.

I vote for school tax levys. I don't (and probably will never) have kids.

I always take it to a literal extreme when these sorts of arguments come up.

"I'm happy paying towards unemployment benefits because everybody needs to eat. Even if its going to drug addicts spending it on crack, because they need thst crack and theyre going to get it. I'd rather them be in the dole office with their hands out than sneaking around my house in the night taking my xbox."

People are not a consistent part of any community and have no relationship with the past or future of any community. The past is a completely different world, as will be the future, and we move through communities constantly in modern life, never becoming a meaningful and enduring part to any of them. A community would have to be part of our sense of self to have any of our interests be in its future. The pace of change has completely disconnected us from any concept of planning beyond the boundaries of our own lives, especially into a future we will never see and for communities we don't, and never felt a part of.

We have also become almost completely powerless with regard to how the world is shaped and for what purpose. Corporations, the wealthy and powerful, and authoritarian inclined governments have taken that power from individuals and communities to use for their personal desires. They are also the cause of the pace of change, creating the very context of community disempowerment which enables them to take that power.

Everyone in the lower 99% is struggling to simply keep existing and find a justification to do so, maybe have a couple of kids if they're lucky. It is not reasonable, living in a rapidly changing system of constant political and economic selfishness, to expect the struggling people to make their own lives harder to try and make plans that benefit other people's futures. It's impossible to even know what plans are wise when the powerful and wealthy change things so fast to benefit themselves, that most plans will never have any confidence to even be fulfilled.

We are all being fucked, present past and future, by the runaway selfishness of people whose power is seemingly unchallenged. Pointing fingers at each other for making desperate decisions that hurt others to protect ourselves is fucking stupid. These are not the choices we want to be making but are forced to. There are no good choices to make, be selfish or be dead is becoming normal. That's the world we inherited.

Sorry, but Bari Weiss is running a story on 60 minutes about a rich black woman using food stamps to buy a fancy car. So now we're cutting the Give Surplus Food to Starving People program in half and giving twice it's value to a company run out of Hondorus by Peter Thiel's Ket dealer called QueefCoin.

“They’re not going to bail me out,” Nelson said. “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No. No.”

Common Caleb L.

Jesus that’s on Linked in

I've seen a bunch of the videos. Ones from a year ago or longer were much better, lately he's been a dick.

Yep.

Just cause you don't actively use it every day, doesnt mean you don't actively benefit from it every day.

People are so myopically fucking ignorant...

I'd be willing to wager these people also exhibit telltale signs of anti-social personality disorders. Who woulda thunk, that anti-social people would be antithetical to society?

This guy is not actually saying he doesn't want to pay into social security he is pointing out how dumb of an argument it is "I don't use it therefore I shouldn't have to pay into it". Although even if he is complaining about it it's valid because until now it's been something that you could pretty much count on for getting after you retire. But now for my generation we are probably all fucked

I am happy to pay it so long as I have any sort of expectation that I will see a return from it.

It is becoming increasingly clear to working Americans that we will never see a dollar back out of the Social Security program when it comes time for us to need it.

The doctors giving you end of life care also went to school. Unless you are ok with us changing that?

Their parents didn't hit them hard enough.

Cycling? My granddad did at 90. 4 years later he still does, but on 3 wheels

Not sure, but the two arguments aren't even equal.

"I don't want to pay for something I'll never receive" vs. "I don't want to pay for something I already received"

Neither one is a good attitude, but one seems more selfish than the other. Now, if the other person said "well I was well off and went to private school so we never used it" at least it would be more similar, still greedy

What public transit. If you don't live in a larger city there is none.

Edit: I would surly love to hear from the down votes how I'm wrong? But I doubt I will.

They also give out blue checks for verified accounts and frequently if you don’t even ask for it. Plus, lots of them are just idiots, not Nazis.

Twitters UI sucks, indystars statement came first, then the outer comment.

Okay, we're still paying money into social security that we will never receive, so the anger won't just go away

That's not how Social Security works. The money the Boomers paid into the system went to paying benefits for the previous generations. The benefits the Boomers (at least the ones that have retired) are getting now is being paid by the workers in the younger generations. While it's true the program has run a surplus, if the young taxpayers stopped paying into the system that surplus wouldn't last very long.

Now that's misinformation. They could not afford to survive off only what they put in.

specifically boomers between years 1946 and 1964, which have actually paid more than they'll get in benefits.

The others are still taking more than they contributed. It's fair to say that some current boomers have paid for their Social Security, but many others have not, and the situation isn't getting any better.

To put it simply, there are just fewer workers paying in to the system than there are people taking money out, and that number only grows as people get older.

This means only about 80% of existing benefit rates are expected to be paid to people when they retire later, and many of those benefiting from existing rates are already taking more from current generations than they paid in.

I don't think we should universally hate boomers just because the economic situation they were in happened to favor them in some ways, after all, I want my grandma to keep being able to afford her retirement care right now before she dies, but it's also just not true to say that all current boomers have paid for their social security in its entirety.

Only some of them have, and with the way things are going, it's not looking like we'll be any better as we grow older, as rates will have to decline just to prevent draining the entire fund, while people continue to pay the same % of their income into the system.