VERY concerned LMBO

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Genocide is bad. If your ideology prevents you from agreeing with that statement, you are a monster.
- Nobody here is denying that genocide is bad, what's in question is what the US Empire says is happening vs what is actually happening. The US Empire has lied before, such as the babies taken from incubators story or Iraq's WMD, but it was only long after the dust had begun to settle in Iraq that the liberals started to agree with the leftists that the evidence was actually insufficient after all.
- Genocide IS bad, but the "muslim genocide" in China is nothing but a CIA op, as usual
  
  You are a CIA op.

The people that try to equate fake genocide with real genocide are like the school staff punishing bully and victim alike. They are enabling the abuses. Also it must be deeply insulting to the real victims in gaza.
- And you're insanely insulting the the real victims in Xinjiang
  https://hrf.org/latest/whats-happening-in-chinas-concentration-camps-qa-with-uyghur-camp-survivors/
  
  It's supposedly been a decade long genocide and yet still nobody has been able to present any evidence beyond uncorroborated and inconsistent testimonials from a single digit number of sources, filtered exclusively through right wing American NGOs.
  Meanwhile two years of genocide in Gaza produced an endless stream of audio-visual and forensic evidence so overwhelmingly undeniable that even governments participateing in the genocide have started to admit it.
  
  Where is the evidence? This article is an interview showing two people telling stories, one of which is selling a book, just like Yeonmi Park.
  I can too volunteer for an interview as I tell how Greenland is genociding left handed people. But nobody will ever want to pay me for that.
  
  The real victims in Xinjiang were the people who got stabbed & bombed & run over by CIA-funded Salafi jihad terrorists, which fortunately is no longer a thing, much to the CIA’s chagrin.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China#Chronology_of_major_events
- Imagine dying in a "fake genocide".
  
  Someone at the NYT gets a fatal papercut
  
  No need to resort to imagination with a real verifiable genocide.

We’re very butthurt about our failed color revolution, and we’re very concerned that we can’t even manage to make lemonade out of our lemon.
Westerners, every time:

lol seriously. Most obvious propaganda scam of all time. Libs fell hook line and sinker though.
- When lemmylib sends its people, they’re not sending their best.
  
  Unfortunately, they are.

Its only legal if you just want to steal their natural resources

“Our genocides are the good genocides” thinking persisting this long is baffling. Even more disturbing is these people are in power.
- Is it though? People hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe. No one wants to believe that their privileges are predicated on suffering elsewhere.
  Westerners in particularly have always been very "heads in the sand" when it comes to modern history but it's not surprising. Every nation struggles with the darker aspects of their history.
  
  Correct: https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
  Meanwhile I get nothing out of it but insults and the hope that a (very) few will begin their deprogramming journey, as I did soon after 9/11.
- As long as you critically stan a state, it's okay to support genocide. /s
  
  That does appear to be the western liberal belief

So concerned that we bribed foreign terrorists to blow shit up in Xinjiang, forcing China to spend on education and job programs there.
- This is some next level racism.
  
  Please elaborate: where’s the racism?
  This has been the US playbook since before we were born, and funding, arming, and influencing Salafi jihadists in particular has been going on since at least the 1980s. Previously:
  6 December 1993: Anti-Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace
  
  FAIR: Forgotten Coverage of Afghan ‘Freedom Fighters’ But the U.S. government and the American press have not always opposed Afghan extremists. During the 1980s, the Mujahiddin guerrilla groups battling Soviet occupation had key features in common with the Taliban. In many ways, the Mujahiddin groups acted as an incubator for the later rise of the Taliban in the 1990s.
  Despite CIA denials of any direct Agency support for Bin Laden’s activities, a considerable body of circumstantial evidence suggests the contrary. During the 1980s, Bin Laden’s activities in Afghanistan closely paralleled those of the CIA. Bin Laden held accounts in the Bank for Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), the bank the CIA used to finance its own covert actions. Bin Laden worked especially closely with Hekmatyar—the CIA’s favored Mujahiddin commander. In 1989, the U.S. shipped high-powered sniper rifles to a Mujahiddin faction that included bin Laden, according to a former bin Laden aide.
- These people, who don’t know shit about fuck, are absolutely sure that they already know everything that needs to be known, and that we don’t know shit about fuck.
  And in twenty years they’ll say they knew it all along.

Hot take:
The US has committed horrifying war crimes and crimes against humanity against Muslims and continues to do so.
And so does China
Its always fascinating to see the war between Nazis and Tankies fight over which imperial power is based, rather than demonstrating a working frontal lobe and damning both for their crimes.
- And so does China
  The only "evidence" of this comes from the empire and is demonstrably false
  
  Idk man, this page has over 401 citations from various sources.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China?wprov=sfla1
  Edit: This also has a lot of citations ns from various sources too.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_China?wprov=sfla1
  
  China not empire. Behehehehehhehehehehehhehehhe!
  
  Eh, most people probably don't brag about doing war crimes.

Translation, we are very concerned because someone else is doing the killing, they took ur, joooobsss

Well, they can’t let another country move into their game.

Whataboutism, and possibly propaganda. They are both horrible and should not exist. Moral superiority doesn't matter if people are being systematically murdered.
- Jesus Christ, "Whataboutism" really does just mean anything other than complete blind belief in the American Nat-sec blob now. "Oh, you don't believe that people who activity cheer on the genocide of Palestinians are being sincere in their claimed concern for Chinese Muslims? WHATABOUTISM!"
  people are being systematically murdered.
  I assume you're referring to Gaza? Because not even the most frothing sinophobes have tried to claim a "systematic murder" of Muslims in China, so if you're not referring to Gaza, you are literally making up lies whole cloth.
- Are we to ignore the obvious evils of US Imperialism?
- This meme doesn't need the word "Muslims"
  
  More likely the meme went over your head.
- Thanks for the vaguepost 👍
- When dealing with hypocrites, whataboutism is the correct and logically consistent response.
  People who complain about whataboutism are 99% hypocrites whose hypocrisy has been pointed out. And they have no rational arguments to defend their view other than deflecting the topic.
  
  Citations Needed podcast:
  Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy
  Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.
  But what if "whataboutism" isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term "whataboutism" has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.

Valid meme but hopefully it doesn't minimize the plight of Uyghurs in peoples minds.
- The west sanctioned xinjiang, making it harder to sell their stuff.
  This is the real plight. The west always hurts people, regardless of what they say they do.
- Maybe next time read the comments first.
- The only plight is the plight of a psyop
- Oh cool, you also gargle propaganda from an evangelical nutjob Adrian Zens and from the U.S State Department on it's number-one global rival. Very analytical and socialist of you.
  There is no "plight", the U.N found nothing and reported nothing. Again and again, people like you do the work of the feds back in the 50s-60s.

(Mass dislikes time!)
Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is an American tradition.
That still doesn't change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.
You can't shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.
- That still doesn’t change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.
  
  Previously:
  The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
  The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
  
  Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
  https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
  
  The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
  A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
  The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
  Uyghur genocide allegations
  American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
  US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
  The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
  
  The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
  Much like how after China foiled their color revolution attempt in 1989, the CIA had to pivot to the "Tinyman Square Massacre" narrative.
  
  Sources:
  china news propaganda site
  medium article from rando
  project syndicate link which is an op-ed site (not news)
  a wiki page from an incredibly biased group
  a youtube link...
  a site calling itself a news site, yet no actual credentials, but seems to be associated with China (Ajit Singh has written Chinese propaganda books)
  a substack link
  This has to be the least compelling list of evidence one could provide, and yet you get upvotes because it looks like you've provided proof of something. All you've done is provide a lot of incredibly, seriously biased opinions with no actual facts at all.
- That still doesn't change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.
  But it's not a fact though? You can't imagine up some fictional scenario and then just claim it's a fact; words have meanings
  
  Not only is China indisputably persecuting Uyghurs, but we have far more proof for the genocide in the Xinjiang province than we do for the one in Gaza. Millions of scholars who are not at all associated with either Adrian Zenz or Uyghur separatists agree that the Uyghur genocide is the deadliest, most important, and best documented atrocity of all time. If you need links to the evidence, I can give you as many links as you want.
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- If not reeducation, which method would you prefer China use to combat the foreign radical Wahhabism and terrorism spread by the CIA in Xinjiang for the purpose of regional destabilization and regime change?
  We all know how the US chose to implement its own war on terror. Muslim majority countries in the Middle East support China's method.
  
  Vocational training and extraordinary rendition & torture at a black site are exactly the same. You fool. You absolute baffoon.
- "Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is an American tradition.
  That still doesn't change the fact that Iraq is building weapons of mass destruction to attack the USA.
  You can’t shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another."
  Seriously, how many times do you need to hear it before you western chauvanists realise it's not about "good or bad", it's about trustworthy or untrustworthy.
  
  Ironically Abrahamic religion’s influence feeds into liberalism’s good vs. evil worldview.
  Philosophy professor Hans-Georg Moeller: If Morality Exists Everything Is Permitted
- this post isn't cheering on china, it's shitting on the west's hypocrisy.
  also you might want to look up who funded the wahabis who groomed the terrorists that the crackdown is a response to.
- You can't shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.
  
  “Authoritarian state” is a bullshit category. Authoritarian states are just states insufficiently subservient to Washington. It’s no more or less coherent than “terrorist state,” which the US uses in the same way.
  “Authoritarianism” is the contemporary word for “totalitarianism,” which is just an erudite-seming term for horseshoe theory, which is horseshit. Previously:
  ‘Horseshoe theory’ is nonsense – the far right and far left have little in common
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Academic_studies_and_criticism
  Funny thing about Hannah Arendt’s construction of “totalitarianism”: She came from a bourgeois family and so was unsurprisingly anti-communist, and she was funded & promoted by the CIA.
  Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia: From Anticommunism and Identity Politics to Democratic Illusions and Fascism
  One of the centerpieces of the cultural cold war was the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF), which was revealed in 1966 to be a CIA front. Hugh Wilford, who has researched the topic extensively, described the CCF as nothing short of one of the largest patrons of art and culture in the history of the world. Established in 1950, it promoted on the international scene the work of collaborationist academics such as Raymond Aron and Hannah Arendt over and against their Marxian rivals, including the likes of Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir.
  
  .ml simps so fucking hard for authoritarians in Russia and China?
  
  I thought I'd blocked ml already. Guess I need to do that again.

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