1mo ago

Labelling or hiding AI-generated content

In PieFed v1.4 it will be possible to label posts as having AI generated content. Labelled posts will get a little badge near their title, similar to how nsfw and nsfl content is labelled. Mods and authors can change this value on a post in the same way they do flair and nsfw, using the little tags button in the bottom right or in 'More options' when editing their post.

Account settings for blocking:

Similar to how NSFW works, each user can control how those posts are listed on the home page, etc. The default is 'Label as AI', which just adds the badge. People averse to AI-generated content might want to change this to 'Hide completely'.

Also similar to NSFW, entire communities can be assigned as 'AI content' and that will auto-tag every post inside as being AI generated. If the community mods have this value unset (e.g. Lemmy communities, which don't have this functionality) then the instance admin can manually override the community's AI Generated setting.

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Another piefed win
- It has been a big weekend.
  There were 32 commits and only a third of those relate to things announced in this community. There's some pretty nice integration with Mastodon, Pixelfed and Loops coming.

Only improvement I would suggest is to make the label "GenAI" instead of just "AI"
- Even more, I'd like to see some technically correct term, instead of the "AI" buzzword that the companies are forcing with their marketing
  (it's not intelligent, it's just a token generator/predictor, similar to your phone's autocomplete feature, just more advanced and trained with everything in the world)
  Unfortunately I'm not an expert, but maybe something along the lines of "Deep Learning", "Neural Networks", "Generative Networks", "Generative technology", etc
  
  GenAI stands for Generative AI, which I think is descriptive enough
  
  You're right, it's not really an accurate term - but it's the shorthand abbreviation that has caught on.

Omg I'm blind. I read that as "AI images will get a small badger next to the title" and I was so confused, why a badger, what do the cure buggers have to do with AI.
- I mean... be the change that you want to see in the world: write that code that will insert cute little badgers next to (haha, random?!:-P) things all throughout the Threadiverse!
  You could put it on a custom instance. Maybe call it "badger badger"?

This is excellent! Will there be a feature for users to report a non-tagged AI post to mods for tagging?
- Could you use the existing reporting feature for this?

Holy moley I love Piefed so much
- And it just keeps getting better, every month!!:-)

That's why I made an AI generated community, because a part of the solution to stop people from posting AI generated stuff in other communities is to give them a place to post it. It still has to follow all the rules, but worst case is that someone posts something real in the AI generated community. https://lemmy.world/c/AIGenerated
- Good idea but it won't help with accidental AI posting - when OP genuinely didn't know that the image was AI generated. The label can be set AFTER posting which is good.
  
  The unfortunate thing that needs to be recognized is that we're already beyond the point where someone skilled can create AI generated content that looks hand made or like a real photograph. The thing we need to be focusing on is context and corroboration. Even if some content looks completely real and genuine, if it isn't corroborated and no one knows where it came from, then it becomes safer to assume that it was generated with AI, manipulated, or photoshopped.
- Well, we tried that with !askusa@discuss.online , the success is limited
  
  People will never follow the rules. I mean some will but you can never count on all doing so.
  Inside of AskUsa most posts from non-mods are on explicitly political topics, despite efforts to state many other communities (stated by name and with links provided!) where those should go instead of there.
  And then outside of that community people refuse to put their questions into it.
  Part of the problem may be how the sidebar text tends to be fairly or even extremely hidden by some mobile apps. It would be helpful if the create post screens would show that - on all platforms: PieFed does, Lemmy does not, and some apps might or might not depending on the choices of those particular devs.

Which mobile apps are keeping up with changes to Piefed?
- Pretty much none, since a lot of the best features of PieFed are not (or at least historically were not) exposed in the API for them to tap into.
  PieFed is moving forward so blazingly FAST that it might not seem like it, but overall it has not had the same amount of years of effort put into it that Lemmy has. Which imho makes it all the more impressive how its feature set has already (mostly) eclipsed that of Lemmy, and as we see here in the OP, also eclipsing that of Reddit as well. (But not in all ways, and the mobile API and the content searching are the two main ways where PieFed is a bit behind.)

This isn't going to work out. A lot of people that post AI made content are of the kind that don't know it's AI, or simply don't care. They're not going to tag it.
- Then mods will tag it.
- The mods can label them
  
  will they? mods who are okay with AI content wouldn't care. mods who don't like slop would just remove the post.

Awesome! Thanks for this.

Will there be an option for a community focused on AI generated content to automatically set this label for all posts in that community? I'm not sure if that would be needed right now or those comms are on lemmy instances, but maybe interesting for the future?
- Yes, that setting is in the community settings, similar to auto-labeling posts as nsfw if toggled in the community settings.

Dark pattern design.
First of all, you're calling chat bots / image generators AI, which is just free marketing for Nvidia and so-called "Open" so-called "AI"
Laymen don't understand that Google Translate and ad algorithms have been called "AI but not AGI" for years in the same sense as these chat bots. The massive surge in use of the term "AI" is purely meant to confuse laymen and sell them the idea of intelligent bots we don't actually have.
More importantly, by using a "this seems like a bot to us" blacklist instead of a "we have proof this is a human" whitelist, you're fucking up democracy. If a system like this has enough users, it will probably end up being the direct trigger of suicides by people unfairly labeled as bots (like a non-proof-based whitelist would cause with people unfairly blocked from the list).
I hope this is a mistake, and not an intended step in the enshittification of the internet.
- GenAI labels should always default to "human-made", with labels applied to generated stuff, not human-made. Also, being wrongly accused of using AI by a mod isn't much different from being banned over a misunderstanding. It just means we need multiple mods per community and a full transparency of mod actions.
  Personally, I see more benefits from having genAI labels.
  
  Being isolated because you're not good at proving you're human is different from being banned over a misunderstanding
- it will probably end up being the direct trigger of suicides by people unfairly labeled as bots
  Yeah, possibly? Then again, the same could be said for running out of milk at the local grocery store, and more generally not everyone you dislike is (literally like) Hitler. By framing your argument in these terms you are distracting from the goal that you seem to be trying to reach. Take my answer however you will but I meant it in kindness.
  
  I don't see how a proof-based whitelist would systemically be the trigger of any suicides.

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