3w ago

I wish God was real

I have been reluctant to call myself an atheist. Mainly because I associate the label with many negative qualities and find many atheists to be perpetually 14 edgelords who claim to be pro-science but seem to think the scientific method is composed of running into a church and yelling "Fake!"

I could go on if it were my intent to chase away my audience with a stick so I'll mostly leave it there.

How can I see such angry arrogant bullies chanting "Sky Daddy!" and go "Yes I am one of them?"

It is illogical.

But I have no choice but to wear the label, because God is not real.

If God were real, Christians would be the kindest and most giving people in the world.

I don't need to tell you how far from the case this is.

I don't need to tell you about the cruelty of Christian movements. About how all their good will and charitable acts begin and end at "Believe in our God and stop complaining!"

They do not stop suffering, they deny it even exists. Claiming it to be part of God's plan and how God doesn't make mistakes. The latter is true because the former isn't. God doesn't make mistakes because there is no plan, there is no God.

This is insanity

While I have known Christians who are truly kind people, some of them I call my dearest friends.... these are the exception not the rule. And even he, one of my best friends, will ignore his conscience and choose cruelty if he believes it the will of his God. Even if his Pope says it isn't.

If God were real these Christians would not be so angry that non believers and transpeople exist. They would be fearful of his wrath and joyous of his love.

The rich would not horde wealth but spend it in service to the poor, for the riches of Heaven would be far greater and far more permanent.

If God were real he would heal the sick, we would hear of the miraculous healing of amputees. We would hear of gender dysphoric teenagers who awoke in a new body. We would hear how the angels themselves condemned Israel's genocide of Palestine.

God would have saved my Christian friend who became brain dead in a hit and run, and actually dead two weeks later.

God would have halted the actions of every man of faith who decided to prey upon children, nay they'd be too scared of his wrath to even have thoughts of doing as such.

But God will never lift a finger to help anyone. Not because he is cruel or indifferent. But because he isn't there.

Should I hear a voice with an otherworldly glow say "It's me, the Lord your God. I am sorry for my absence, but I need your help to make this right."

All would be forgiven and I would bow in reverence to Christ.

But that day will not come.

I am an atheist not because I am heartless and reject him... but because my heart calls out to him and receives nothing.

I have pondered if maybe God is around and some can hear him more clearly than others.

But then I remember how Conservatives behave, either using God for a selfish agenda or being suckered by false holy men....

And there goes that hypothesis.

God, if you're willing to talk I am willing to listen. But sadly you aren't because you don't exist.

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I won't say all Christians are awful because it's simply not true.
The majority of Christians, especially American style ones, do not know or follow the teachings of Christ.
I'm agnostic, but I think what Jesus taught was actually pretty cool.
I kinda wish god was/is definitely real someone's because I want justice for all the evil people in the world.
- I’m agnostic, but I think what Jesus taught was actually pretty cool.
  So.... just to clarify.
  Did you know Jesus taught obedience to the Law of Moses (and the commands of the prophets.)? His actual teachings- as recorded in the 4 gospels- are actually pretty horrific, when you understand that he absolutely was teaching adherence to the "old law". (in point of fact he adresses this directly in Matthew5:17-20)
  The law of moses is horrific compared today's standards. I mean, it allows men to sell their daughters to be a sex slave.... rape is basically a property crime, and if a guy rapes an un-betrothed virgin... he owes the father some money and then the woman in question is forced to marry her rapist. And then there's the explicit endorsement of slavery, the whole thing about stoning women who didn't bleed on their wedding night (I say it this way, because it was known long before Jesus that most women didn't actually bleed the first time they had sex... and that commandment was given directly by god, presumably.)
  Like.... in my limited experience, the people who talk about the teachings of jesus... only take some things, and ignore all of the horrifically objectionable shit. Like. Slavery would have been something that jesus would have encountered on a daily basis... and his father most like;y owned several. (he probably wasn't a furniture maker- rather he was a builder... likely building houses and other buildings like bridges, etc. It's also likely that jesus didn't grow up poor.)
  
  Didn't he literally say the "old law" didn't matter anymore?
  
  It's possible to Chery pick nice things about Jesus. Moses was a piece of shit, and Yahweh a minor Caananite god appearing late in Caananite/Egypt/Greece (who syncretized/recognized each other's gods) between 1400 and 850bc), even if Moses truly received commandments from him, would be a Caananite coup where Yahweh is not honoring his parents, where idolatry commandment was specifically a warmongering "destroy everything Caananite" instead of coveting any metalic value inside of them. The freedom of Israelites was the freedom to enslave all others with Moses at head of Israelite hierarchy.
  The disciples all brought their own perspective, and some of the gospels are written by people who never met Jesus. Matthew was a Roman tax collector, wealthy enough to host a banquet, and appreciative of the trickle up benefits of slavery.
  That Jesus needed to be politicaly polite/correct to establishment beliefs as a constraint in contradicting Moses would certaily allow disciples to hear what they wanted to hear, or quote the polite parts before the ", but ....".
  If you start with "ranked mandate priorities" (means all contradictions to higher prioritized mandates are invalid), which makes far more sense than every biblical statement is equally true, no matter the author, and put "do onto others as you wish done onto you." as top mandate, then it is possible to revise the bible into something more Humanist, and even to accept Jesus while rejecting Yahweh/Moses.
- This is pretty much where I stand sort of.
  I do believe that Christ if he were real could save this disgusting world and reform the plague that is humanity.
  There are some Christians who legit follow Christ but they are in the minority.
  The reason they are in the minority is because God is not there to reinforce the teachings. He does not appear before the wicked and warn them to change their ways, he does not appear before the downtrodden to lift their spirits.
  Christians claim he does yet he is no where to be seen. "Mysterious ways" is a lot like the word "sorry". It means less the more you have to say it
  I was agnostic, I even got banned site wide from Reddit standing up for Christianity against Anti-Theistic trolls.
  Even tried being Buddhist for awhile and meditated in search of God, but I couldn't find him.
  There simply must come a time where I stop saying "I must not being doing this right." And start being honest with myself.
  "I called out for God and nobody came."
  
  Yeah I’ve never felt it/god either. I think that’s fine.
  I have Christian family members who are just solid people, so I try to defend people like them.
  I don’t like anti theism because they find real community with their church and help people, and it’s genuinely a net good for them.

We'd live in a much, much more interesting world if these things were real:
God, angels, demons, ghosts, magic, fairies, UFOs, bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Atlantis/Lemuria/Mu.
- Oh how I wish the fair folk could take me away from all this

Life would be so much easier if there was a god, to blame tragedies and triumphs as part of “his plan”. To know that those who wrong me will be punished accordingly. To have comfort in all the answers.
I’m endlessly envious of that mindset, but it’s just not possible.
- This bag of chips get it

It’s funny, I have somewhat of an opposite problem. I am intellectually an atheist but I had a religious upbringing and it is impossible for me to emotionally unbelieve.
Atheism is very simple and obvious to me, always had been, and the horrors of organized religion are well known but still no matter how hard I want to I have an emotional conception of a higher power that I can’t get rid of 🤷‍♀️
I wish I could unbelieve in god but I was successfully infected by a religious mind virus as a child and I cannot undo it. I guess whatever I am now would probably be called “spiritual” but I consider myself an atheist in ordinary terms when people talk about sky god.
- I wish we could trade emotions. I'd be happier believing the lie of a higher power than with the truth that we live in a cold indifferent dead emotionless materialistic universe that is trying to kill us.
  The fact that I want to believe so damn badly yet God isn't showing up is how I know he's bogus.
  
  Until intelligent life evolved, the universe itself had no idea it existed, intelligent life gives it momentary glimpses of itself. You are a vessel for giving the universe a brief glimpse of experience. Use your time to make the experiences the universe sees as interesting and joyous as possible. This means treating others and yourself with love. That's basically my philosophy/spirituality. Personifying the universe as a whole.
  
  God’s already here all around you 🫵😐
  Or maybe god is a cold indifferent emotionless materialistic universe trying to kill us
  I could also be lucky because I was raised with a universal impossible to understand god. So if it makes you feel any better the god I have to believe in doesn’t really answer prayers or anything lol
  You could try doing psychedelics or something but those didn’t help for me…but perhaps those are a one way street to god

If God were real, Christians would be the kindest and most giving people in the world
No. Religion has 0 to do with god. Religion exists to capture loyalty to the Church through the distraction of God. That loyalty is valuable to transfer to loyalty to the king and make it more soldiers. God can exist without a Church, and can exist without interventionism.
If God can exist without interventionism, or post life rewards, then is he irrelvant? No. Humanism (God would be pro human instead of ego maniac) can lead to heaven on earth. Where God is Humanist principle, then God exists.

I feel kind of oposite to what you describe; I feel the Idea of god as described in the bible is terrifying. And i am glad There is no one out there. The god described in the bible not only reads as very human, He speaks and acts and feels in a way that is very congruent with a Medieval human. He sounds ruthless, brutal, not loving at all. When i was first introduced to the concept of god and his teachings as a child i immediately felt rejection towards it. Yahvé sounds like some kind of mad king that on top of that is all powerful; The concept of creation sounds like an elaborate ploy to create suffering, and he comes off as needy, manipulative, prideful, jealous, sexist and cruel; The god described in the bible is not a dude I'd like to talk to; even less be his eternal plaything.
In the same sense whenever people try to share their belief in Christianity, i cannot help but to feel deep down like thy are trying to share something very wrong and hurtful. I don't feel like i want to end Christian beliefs or it's institutions i just with they weren't so keen on spreading these beliefs, and so keen in amassing political power.

I completely understand where you're coming from.
I do wish there was something omnipresent and beneficial. It would be comforting. But we are here because we do not agree with that concept.
And that's been the 'problem' that most of us here face. We strive to be decent people while defining our own moralities based on other principles we find to be more reliable.
On the other hand, not all Christians would be good or kind or forgiving. That isn't something that comes from a worldview.
Even if they are truly convinced that the Christian God is real and omnipresent, there has been no external force in their lives to command them to be better, so they don't.
These changes come about when personal experience drives the change.
As such, it is up to us to push the world to be the utopia we wish it to be. This is all we have and are likely to have.

You mentioed god and Christianity a bazillion tines ,so i am asuming American ? If you were born in India you woukd you even have that debate.
why not one if the hindui gods ? Or a bazillion others believed by folks.
I think the things here religion is only ostensibly about god and certainly offers no proof of god, hell in some of them you're killed if you call this obvious behaviour out. It's a cult to control people
As to edge lords, imagine running around inisiting your imaginery sky daddy is really like alive. It shous be a fucking cringing embarresment and yet here we.are.

Live your life, homie.
If you want a different take on the concept, check this out.
- The Egg. I've heard it before.
  Well I can say is.. if thst works for you

Nah fuck that just be agnostic. I don't care about god. If he exists fine, if he does not also fine. Does not amtter to me.

You're right, there are a lot of athiests out there like that (especially I believe in America where being atheist is less common amongst so many Christians).
These are people who are alike the bad christians you describe
But there are a lot of good people out there too, who are also atheist. Those you wouldn't be able to distinguish between your good Christian friends.
In the end people are people, no matter what they believe in, some will be bad, some will be good and most will be somewhere in the middle.
If this is something you are struggling with, I recommend looking into your local humanitarian society. They have a lot of resources for people such as yourself while also doing social outreach and charity work.
If there isn't one local, I can reccomend watching some of Genetically Modified Skeptics videos on YouTube. He is a former christian who perhaps has walked a similar path as you.
All the best with your journey!

I wouldn't worry about the label. Your association will be different than others, so it might be taken several different ways by many different people. Labels become shorthand but also a bag full of various and sometimes contradictory concepts, so they're primarily useful when they're very simple and facilitate communication and meaning rather than make it harder to understand and more confusing. This is true of every label you think might apply to you. The label isn't what's important. It's important to understand what you think, feel, and believe. It's just as easy to say, "I don't believe a god exists," as it is to say, "I'm an atheist." There are a lot of people for whom labels become a sense of identity, but that often seems to involve adopting things that don't apply to them simply based on the association. Be yourself, determine for yourself who you are and what you think. Don't try to shoehorn yourself into someone else's confused bag of meanings and associations.
- Like I said I really don't want to be an atheist. I have seen many atheists apologists and speakers, very few of them come off like they aren't constantly flipflopping between screaming at the world like a child throwing a temper tantrum and getting high off their own farts.
  If anything people like Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher make me wish there was a God even harder.
- I truly have nothing nice to say about the stereotypical Reddit Atheists. Honestly God being real would be worth it just to shut their self-righteous douche bag mouths.
  Reddit Atheists are so insufferable they make me crave Christ in ways missionaries wish they could.
  This is how not real God has to be for me to accept he isn't.
  
  Well yes, thats what stereotypes are for. To make you hate and dispise the target.
  
  What I'm saying is it seems like you're concerned too much with outspoken atheists and you're letting your experience with them cloud your perspective. You shouldn't believe or want to believe anything other than because you have reason to consider it believable. There are cringy atheists and cringy theists. That's just people. It'll be true of any association.
  Believing something just because you want it to be true, or worse, believing something out of spite just because you don't like some people, is not an authentic approach to matters of belief.
  You can block a subreddit. You can ignore people you don't like. Don't let them define you. They don't represent the concept of atheism. They are just prominent voices on the topic in one particular place. There are significantly more you never hear from because regular people don't make it their identity and they don't look to talk about it all the time.

I'm afraid of infinity, the thought of living infinitally in heaven is terrifying to me. No amount of goodness can be a counterweight to this infinity.
- Isn't that better than not existing for infinity?
  
  Not existing I know ho it is like before I was born, it was good, I wasn't conious. I'd like to spend eternity like that too.

God, if you're willing to talk I am willing to listen.
Thats good, but you need to learn how. God doesnt normally speak from a disembodied voice (ive heard disembodied voices, but whose voice it was, i dont know...), but rather through people. Also in many other forms... sometimes dreams, music, and impressions and feelings.
Consciousness is way more than just in our heads, we "hear" things in different ways. God speaks to everyone all the time, one has to learn how to listen. But if you dont believe in God, you will never realize when it is Him speaking to you.

If it makes you feel any better both atheists and religion is in the same shoe until they give you the origin of the universes energy and matter.

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