I cant even make up corruption this blatant. My imagination is not this stupid.

Sorry for calling again but could you please paint "DEATH TO AMERICA" on the jets? We got those new hangars and don't want to make them all smelly right away.

monarchist nation build on slave labor, that murders political dissidents, queer people and indigenous groups? yea, that's probably bad or whatever idk, i mean we did all that too and we're the good guys yknow

chinese ally???? now they've crossed a line!!!! 😡😡😡

Kind of ironic too because as evil as they are, SA are absolutely an American ally as well.

Saudi Arabia isn't going to reverse engineer an F35. China will reverse engineer an F35.

You’d figure a bunch of racists that spent the last twenty years crying about shariah law would a few very specific problems with Saudi Arabia.

It's never stopped the US from selling them modern-for-the-time F-15s, their advanced versions, and other advanced weapons systems. Or Europe from selling them the Eurofighter Typhoon.

I'm not saying this is the same or not a horrible decision full of corruption. Just that SA has been a longstanding strategic ally that has received a lot of military support from Western countries.

The liberalist faith in law is a huge blind spot. The system is corrupt. It's been corrupt for a while now, but it's unmissable obvious now, and it disturbs me how many people are still saying strange things like how the constitution will stop this, the judges will stop this, the police will stop this. Corruption is systemic, not individualistic. The corrupt system isn't coming to save people from the corrupt system!

If you aren't already, organize locally with others to perform real political action through our worker power. Even if your local area has to build from scratch - the sooner we as citizens develop political power, the more lives are saved.

Super solid post. References cited from the government itself. Depressing that it’s on this topic though. Damn.

The trumpberries taste like trumpberries!

everything is legal when you're dumpy. EVERYTHING. Including rape.

legal ?

Mandatory i'd say

Not the first time he acted traitorously and it certainly won't be the last.

Yeah, the meme assumes the US is a country of laws for those in power. Common mistake.

Yep. Now we're totally going to pursue this, aren't we. Right?

Good thing is, they're doing it all out in the open. Everything is documented. They might have impunity on their side now, but not forever.

No Congress abdicated its duty and so did the Supreme Court. If they were doing their jobs Sit like this wouldn't happen.

The Patriot Act of 2001 destroyed checks and balances.

I opposed the Patriot Act because of the lack of checks and balances built into the legislation. Congress was being asked to give the executive enormous authority and then to step back and trust the executive to implement it responsibly.

The Patriot Act, to me, represented unchecked executive power. Congress was giving authorities to law enforcement that they had long requested, even before 9/11, and was agreeing to do so with minimal oversight built into the system.

I recommend to read all they have to say about it.

That said, the whole thing was already prepared and waiting in a drawer for something like 9/11 to happen. The USA was very much Not OK even before that.

I barely know anything about the US presidency, but I could've sworn the presidency doesn't have this power.

No?

"A borgor republic is a country with an economy of the best type of capitalism, where the country is operated as a private commercial enterprise for the exclusive profit of the job creators. Typically, a borgor republic has a 100% meritocratic society, usually a lot of lazy welfare queens looking for handouts and a ruling class of brilliant, innovative job creators and democratically elected politicians selflessly carrying out the will of the people."

It could cost a lot of American lives. Could also save a bunch of Chinese ones.

It echoes of China before their ~2011 anti-corruption campaign, they had a serious issue in previous decades where the CIA would basically pay-to-win, bribing officers to give promotions to their confederates. The point being, a corrupt system is easy to exploit, for any country that has some spare change to use.

This sale is horrible for many reasons including military intelligence. However a lot of the responses seem a bit ignorant of the current state of things. I'm sure there are lots of key technologies in materials, aerospace engineering, and digital warfare let alone the strategic intelligence of capabilities. However, China also already has many of the F-35 plans, enough to build a version of their own in the J-35. These fighters are also no longer next gen fighters. They are current 5th gen. Both US and China are developing their next 6th gen fighters.

You kind of have to take a step back and just be impressed for a minute.

For this man with all his fuckups and perceived incompetence, he's done an amazing job of installing yes men and cronies at every avenue that could have enforced any consequences for his actions. Can you imagine what it would be like to see someone apply a similar energy to actually improving our country.

*Other than China being able to reverse-engineer our military tech? I mean, they probably have our building schematics through other means, but isn't that the main faux pas?

West != USA

Needed to appeal to American supremacists by mentioning China at least once. It can't be truly evil unless CHINA!!!

I could be wrong and I admit that I don't have as a firm grasp of US politics as I'd like, but I really cannot see a situation where anyone is going to be able to control Trump to the point that which they might be able to get him from front of a jury. I can't see that happening without some level of conflict. He's already talking about a third term, the only way that doesn't happen is a rebellion, or him having a heart attack or something.

After their downfall, we’ll have plenty of material to indict & ultimately lock them away with.

Who's this "we"? You can't use a corrupt system to solve the corrupt system, the corruption involves the legal system (remember who is designing and passing the laws!) and the law enforcement officers. So if you want to have the power to lock them away, you're going to have to organize with fellow citizens to develop worker power outside of the state.

https://apnews.com/article/f35-fighter-jet-saudis-trump-deal-299b47534e121923851e18fd02a57799

Appears there are a number of sources discussing it. It's strange being that Russia is currently selling them air defense systems as well.

And also handing over information from US spies on dissidents to Mohammed Bin Salman, even if they were family that just opposed him, he trapped them in a hotel and had them all tortured and/or murdered till there was enough alignment to him.

"The Intercept also reported that Kushner’s information on Saudi royals not loyal to MBS was contained in the President’s Daily Brief, a document presented to the President every morning. Kushner lost his access to the document earlier this year when new security clearance rules were instituted.

Eager to consolidate power and rein in the sprawling orbit of the Saudi royal family and aristocratic class, Prince bin Salman listened intently and a week later cracked down on corruption in the country by imprisoning more than 200 members of the country’s ruling class inside the confines of the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Riyadh, charging each with corruption"

I'm sorry, but after everything we've seen over the last decade, this comment is WAY too optimistic.

Republican senators had the golden opportunity to rid their party of Trump at the tail end of his first term after he lost an election and incited an insurrection.

They didn't.

The only hope I can see is that they recognize that at this point he could literally keel over dead any day and they may be planning their exit strategy. But I'm pretty sure that's just "slide Vance in" and they don't really need to do that until Trump is actually dead.

I'm sure they're concerned about the mid-terms but I don't think their strategy for improving their image before then is getting rid of Trump. I think they have other plans for that. They've hitched their wagon to him. And he owns the hearts and minds of every racist, sexist, ignorant piece of shit in this country. And there's A LOT of those motherfuckers out there. That's valuable to their party.

Give it two months they will all suck his balls and dick again and ask for afters. As long as you hate the same people it's water under the bridge 🌉

The unfortunate reality is that MAGA is only turning on Trump in the slightest possible manner because they see his potential fumble. It’s acknowledging writing on the wall, it’s not a push against their king.

They’re not attracted to winning, in the sense that they may come to reason and stand for what’s right… no. They’re just adverse to loosing, in the sense that they cling to whichever side seems more powerful to them.

Trump is just one bandaged ear away from having his tea-sac in their throats again.

Nobody in US political leadership wants to set the precedent of facing legal consequences for their actions while in power.

Time was you would venerate traitors and call them “founding fathers”. Different strokes.

Most of the career Defence personnel in the Pentagon with spines have already been forced out through purges.

The remaining staff are loyal to Trump, or likely have made clear they'll not risk their jobs raising any concerns or objections.

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/8/25/headlines/trump_administration_purges_high_ranking_military_and_intel_officials

I don't think most of the US realises how fucked they are under Trump 2. This is barely 10 months in of a four year term.

Probably but the GOP would call it a coup and fox news would cry.

He'll fire everyone and SCOTUS will let him do it

No hardware or software that you have unfettered access to is un-crackable forever. If China has the will to crack it, they almost certainly have the means. It is only a matter of manhours.

If Lockheed Martin has kill codes for their F35s then China can reverse engineer those kill codes

They can’t kill it any time. The software pbones home to verify licences periodically, and that can be used to brick the device. Of course, Israel is allowed to run their own software because reasons.

I don't think that's the case. Its just too big an oversight.

Still complex gear needs a supply chain, so getting on the bad side of the USA still grounds your air wing.

I don't think individualism is bad per se. I'm very left but individualist. It just means I'm not bound to groupthink. I have my own opinions and i temporarily align with political parties but never have unquestioning loyalty to any party or country. If anything that unquestioning loyalty is a hallmark of fascism and not very individualistic. The extreme right is a group cult and people who speak against the group narrative are exiled immediately.

I'm from Holland so being left is a lot more left than in the US. Yet I can still speak my mind at political meetings even if it's against the group opinion.

They do exhibit some individualistic properties but more as a group. But inside the group the forced groupthink is extremely strong.

And individualism isn't just about what's good for a person. I'm individualist but I still care about the environment as it's important to me and the people i care about.

Nothing as long as we set the bar as low as possible and refuse outrage because its distasteful.

I honestly and deeply believe that he is not loved by anyone surrounding him.

It's almost sad to see a person never knowing what love is. But I cannot help hating him either. He would sell anyone to be just a bit more wealthy. It's incredible how detached a human being can become.

Not really. Bin-Laden is a wealthy and well-connected Saudi family, but no link between the state and 911 has been made public

God guided that bullet. Directly into a retired fire fighter.

People get mad when I say the US is a paper tiger but the only reason we have such a huge military budget is because of R&D that goes nowhere by a bunch of private companies siphoning government funds plus a fuck ton of military bases that need maintenance funds to give the appearance of having a large military force.

In reality our tech is years behind that of other countries.

Yeah, we don't export the most advanced ones. There are limitations on the things we include in the export versions. Also, supposedly NGAD is right around the corner.

At some point, the Epstein files become the distraction. So much horrible shit has happened in this presidency already, with real consequences for innocent people.

So brushing every bit of that aside to just meme "Epstein files" over and over seems like a GREAT service to Trump.

Is he in those files? Oh, definitely. Will he be i n the released version? Probably not. So, what will you do? Keep screaming for the RealTM files all through this presidency, letting him off the hook for everything else because "muh files"?

Yeah. Who cares? We saved gazaaaaaaa....!

/s you dumbfucks

Well China makes some stuff of their own that are very next level. Chengdu J-36, Shenyang J-50.

But they could use hands on experience to find weaknesses in the F35 which will make it's way to Chinese ally Russia which is Europe's main enemy. As a country who only had F35s now this is a big problem.

China wouldn't want access to an enemies tech?...... And I call myself a dumbass.

China wants every bit of the F35s technology.

Just another tankie who thinks China's advances aren't based on what they've been able to steal from other countries.