2d ago

On .ml, there's no such thing as Chinese censorship so davel (.ml admin) will remove discussions about it as "Bigotry"

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EfreetSK @lemmy.world 2d ago
starelfsc2 @sh.itjust.works 2d ago
Idk as someone with Chinese friends who have told me a lot about it, I don't think this is super true. They will say yeah the government will spy on absolutely everything, so don't say anything TOO crazy(same in the US but we won't get disappeared hopefully), but as an example during covid lockdowns in China where people were being denied food and medical care, tons of people protested what the government was doing and it did change, albeit very very slowly.
The best explanation I got was the government does what the majority of people agree with, and it will change if the majority changes what they think. If you're not part of the majority too bad keep it to yourself. For instance most Chinese people think the uyghyr genocide/ re education is not a big deal because they're religious nutjobs / a cult. It's sort of unity over self expression and fairness.
Also them using China as an example of communism is hilarious, China is as communist as lacroix is a soda. 90% of your life is ruled by money just like the US, the government just has way more power.
- LibertyLizard @slrpnk.net 2d ago
  You are not well-informed on this topic. Yes, there was a protest, but the government retaliated harshly against those who participated.
  https://www.npr.org/2023/01/11/1148251868/china-covid-lockdown-protests-arrests
  And I mean sure, most Chinese support the actions of their government... but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that this is only true because they don't have access to true information about its brutality. And no one around them is allowed to criticize it. This is classic manufactured consent.
  
  starelfsc2 @sh.itjust.works 1d ago
  
  Yes the covid lockdowns was a more severe case of the Chinese government trying to pretend they had done nothing wrong, which it has a history of doing. I'm not saying china doesn't still try to suppress dissent and hide information, and the police force is basically hired thugs. I was just saying the citizens can and do make disagreements known if the government is going against the people's wishes, and they might be arrested and "re-educated" but there's less risk of their whole family being disappeared for example.
  I would also ask how the news of using blank A4 paper spread around to others who began protesting, which shows that opinions and dissent do spread around China regardless of the government's intent to suppress it.
  I suppose I can't really say for the average Chinese person because most people I know were because of exchange programs or they had moved to the US, but in my experience they seemed to know what was happening and just say "these people are hurting China so I don't care/ they deserve it." I think the exact quote I heard was "Yes but these people are religious extremists who are causing massive problems for China" (in reference to the uyghurs). I think it probably is the case they are just fed propaganda and most either believe it or don't care enough to check it.
- ohulancutash @feddit.uk 1d ago
  I did a thing for Chinese TV once, and we were getting the tourist views of the city in, and the producer was frantic that we not get anyone with a placard in the shot because protest even as a concept is itself “politically sensitive”, and there would be hell to pay if any reference to someone airing their opinion made it to broadcast.
- Glide @lemmy.ca 2d ago
  
  Appreciate your nuanced view on the topic, actually. Obligatory fuck Chinese capitalism (and American capitalism while we're at it), but I always suspect it's less obligatory than we make it seem here in the west.
  After all, most people are just people, and take to live and let live first. It's the greedy motherfuckers at the top ruining it for the rest of us, not the average citizens, Chinese, American or otherwise.
- ArcaneSlime @lemmy.dbzer0.com 2d ago
  as lacroix is a soda.
  Bubbles, artificial flavoring, idk, seems close enough for me.
  Soda
  A popular non-alcoholic beverage, sweetened by various means, containing flavoring and supersaturated with carbon dioxide, so as to be effervescent when the container is opened; -- in different localities it is variously called also soda, pop, mineral water, and minerals. It has many variants. The sweetening agent may be natural, such as cane sugar or corn syrup, or artificial, such as saccharin or aspartame. The flavoring varies widely, popular variants being fruit juices, fruit sirups, crea...
  Maybe "Soda with Water characteristics?"
  
  starelfsc2 @sh.itjust.works 1d ago
  Yeah but that's essentially exactly what I would say about China, if you said hey can I get a soda and someone gave you lacroix you'd be like cmon dude, and if you asked for a communism and someone gave you China you'd be like so wheres my government provided anything?
- Rose @lemmy.zip 23h ago
  In the US, for all the horrible things happening now under Trump, people openly call him whatever they want under their full names online. Seems impossible in China.
Someonelol @lemmy.dbzer0.com 2d ago
I guess a ban is preferable to being downvoted to oblivion and being replied with walls of text that's tangentially related to your original comment. Consider yourself lucky.
- Saledovil @sh.itjust.works 2d ago
  You ran into that Socialism Everyday fellow?
  
  Someonelol @lemmy.dbzer0.com 2d ago
  Nah just UnderpantsWeevil and Cowbee.
Valmond @lemmy.world 2d ago
Ha ha, debunk their propaganda efficiently and you get banned 😁.
Badge of honor 🏅!
bobzer @lemmy.zip 1d ago
Have you lived in China?
Or do you just believe the anti-China propaganda on it the same way .ml users have no critical thinking skills?

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