"One piece after the 37 episode gets really good"
"One piece after the 37 episode gets really good"
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Warframe players fr (I have over 3,000 hours)
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I think the main reason The Second Dream hit so hard was because the game was so flat and plotless up until that point. Like, it's a great story and all, but the "twist" would have been guessed within moments of starting it if players expected there to be any plot beyond the scraps of lore they'd been given thus far.
Though kudos to the devs for making that flatness part of the plot, as you're basically just a machine going through the motions until you "awaken". Still sucks from a gameplay perspective, of course.
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I still count The Second Dream among the best gaming experiences I've ever had. I agree with you that the only reason it worked is because the game was so plotless until that point, but it's not like the game wasn't fun until then - it was just fun for reasons other than story. If the moment to moment gameplay hadn't been engaging, having the big reveal be tens or hundreds of hours into the experience wouldn't have worked at all.
The game Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons is another example of this sort of thing... There's a moment near the end that hits really hard, and I feel like the whole design discussion for the game focused on that moment and the rest of the game was just a vessel to get the player to the point where it would hit hardest, and it does a great job of that. It's only a 4 hour experience, though, not a 40+ hour one.
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Not to mention every quest after the second dream is also absolute cinema
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Came here for this. I bounced before I could reach that "mission thar changes everything".
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I think I started playing Warframe when it just came out, but only like 30 hours maybe, came back several years later and played 30 more. A couple years ago I played 30 more. I've always been so confused and it only gets worse every time I come back. But I like the bits where the ninja goes woosh and chop and bang, so that's pretty cool.
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Once you get to like Neptune I think is when you unlock the first cinematic quest. It is kind of annoying that they haven't gone back and done more "prequel" style quests so newer players can know what kind of story they're getting into before such a long commitment.
They did just recently release a very short quest that unlocks at the beginning of the game but it ended up being a little underwhelming.
Also, depending on when you were playing those quests might not have existed yet. Iirc The Second Dream, which was the first "cinematic" quest came out in 2015
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I play FFXIV, it's unironicslly true.
However: The game is decently fun before the story kicks in
and the devs for sure need to trim the story a lot more specially the earlier levels.
in addition to that the early content is becoming very stale and needs a rework
I'm not kidding when I say the 4th expansion is some of the best story telling in video game history, the music and production is beyond anything I've ever experienced and I look back very fondly to that expansion
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So for someone who has never played, and doesn't have a clue about the game, is it worth diving into? Do I need to do anything special to avoid spoilers, or will the game take me through the story from the original game through the expansions without deviation?
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the free trial has infinite time and some minor restrictions so imo you should try it
i didn't know what to expect and only played guikdwars 1 and some 2 and very little WOW and ff14 won me over
it's a very charming game with lots of character and you can tell it was made with love
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I’d say it is, because while it’s a slow burn the buildup leads to some pretty epic payoffs.
And the game will not only take you through each story in sequence so you don’t have to worry about spoilers, it will lock you out of progressing class quests (if they have spoilers, and the later ones often have at least a few) until you’ve played the relevant story parts. So it’s extra-anti-spoiler.
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I only pitch it to people who already play MMOs. It's a massive time sink, and very heavy with cutscenes. Sometimes the story gets really slow (like basically doing chores for people to convince them to help you save the world) but at other times it's absolutely incredible. I agree that the 4th xpac is some of the best writing ever.
As for spoilers in the game, you should be pretty safe. The game itself will take you through the story linearly and the community is generally very respectful.
You can play the base game and I think the first expansion up to level 60 for free. Be aware that it is an MMO, and they've kept most of the content that they've added in the game, so it's pretty daunting starting out.
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Very definitely worth it. And it's free so if you don't like it, not like you're wasting anything. Have something like 10k hours in it. I don't play it much anymore other than to check in and/or dick around with friends since I've done most of what I wanted. There's no FOMO or anything like that. It's very much built as an RPG, just online (though with the recent updates you can play the entire thing single player if you so wish). So you can just take your leave of it once you've done the content you want and come back later without missing anything. Very worth it.
Unironiconally one of my favorite FF stories, third to 9 and 10. And that probably has to do with them taking the time to build up a backstory and lore. So it's not off to the racetracks minute one, big deal. Do you expect that when you read a book? Makes you care more about the people later on since they've been established as actual people and not just Spiky Hair Video Game Guy #1 and Woman Who Should Be Cold In Those Clothes #8
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Only if you don't have a family or plans to do much else for a year
The main story alone will take you literal months
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I tried the free trial recently, and... it wasn't for me.
Cool art. Running around and interacting is pretty straightforward. Good linux/proton support (though couldn't recognize my controller immediately, so I just went mnk).
But it's delivery missions for like 10s of hours. I don't have much MMORPG experience, so maybe it's just not the right genre for me. I had more fun in character creation than I did in the actual game. Plus I couldn't play at all during peak because I apparently chose a popular server/world. Combat felt clunky on mnk.
If I had friends who played, maybe I'd be more inclined to push through, but as a solo player it felt like doing chores.
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I love the franchise. I really do. But I couldn't get over 14 feeling like an MMO during my free trial. It didn't feel like the ambitious mainline FF games. Is it really worth picking it up for the story?
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Didn't they already trim down ARR? I thought that was during Endwalker or Dawntrail
But yeah, very few video games have made me cry and Endwalker was one of them
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yeah they have, imo it's too long due to the "onboarding" for new players to play current content with friends
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It peaked at Shadowbringers. Endwalker was very good. Dawntrail is crap.
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One Piece has a 25-episode fight at one point. Here's a short list of anime shorter or the same length as this one fight:
- The first season of FLCL (6 Episodes)
- Hellsing (13 Episodes or 10 double-feature Ultimate episodes)
- No Game No Life (12 Episodes)
- Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (24 Episodes)
- The first season of Re:Zero (14-22 Episodes depending on cut)
- Devilman: Crybaby (10 Episodes)
- Puella Magi Madoka Magica (12 Episodes)
- Bokurano (24 Episodes)
- Berserk (25 Episodes for the OLM show, 13 Episodes for Studio 4°C, 24 Episodes for 2016)
- Kill la Kill (24 Episodes)
- Ergo Proxy (23 Episodes)
- The first season of Psycho-Pass (22 Episodes)
- The first season of Assassination Classroom (22 Episodes)
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This is my biggest issue with One Piece, or any form of extended media like this. It's not that I won't like it, but how much unique media am I giving up to watch it? It's the same vibe I got when I was really into an MMO. Love the game, one of my favorites of all time even. But I'm much happier broadening my horizons and playing a unique experience every month or so opposed to the same game for a year straight.
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I never watched one Piece but there's no way you need over a thousand episodes for whatever story they are trying to tell. I can't wrap my head around that.
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It's cause they're turning 16 page chapters of manga into full episodes. If you made a succinct version, you could probably tell the whole story so far in 200 episodes. Much smaller than that and you'd really start cutting into the story being told.
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After a while you need to stop caring about the overall plot (which is pretty interesting on its own, but that is like drip fed to you) and start enjoying the arcs individually. Usually the structure is that they get to a new island, get to know the inhabitants and their culture and individual characters, the crew finds a mystery, problem or conspiracy, and they help the inhabitants. Quite often there are also multi-island plots that tie up all the plots of each individual island.
Admittedly the solution is always inevitably "Luffy punches the bad guy really hard in the face" while the rest of the characters are usually busy punching the bad guy's underlings, but since you end up liking both the main characters and the characters they meet in each island (and the relatively rare but much beloved recurring characters), you don't mind it as much.
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One Piece is best enjoyed as a manga. Reading it goes much faster and loses a bit of the anime character tropes.
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In my opinion, base FFXIV A Realm Reborn is already a good game. The first expansion, Heavensward, takes it to great. Stormblood goes back to good. Shadowbringers and Endwalker together are the best Final Fantasy I've played, though other people don't like Endwalker as much as me. I haven't played Dawntrail since Endwalker is a clear endpoint for the story.
I cried throughout the entire game, but a sequence in the last region of Endwalker made me ugly cry like no other media has
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Dawntrail has its issues but it's definitely hard to get something off the ground after a conclusion like EW. I think it was alright, not too strong on the story department and they wasted some characters imo but the content was really good.
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I got super burnt out on the content in Dawntrail just because it felt like they got very comfortable in their formula and kept funneling everything into it more and more
Endwalker I already began having issues. A lot of the dungeon content felt dumbed down. I disliked how they mandated the pull-pull-boss formula in all dungeons. Especially combined with the crazy self healing they doled out to all tanks, it felt like the pack management got oversimplified, which was a double edged sword because in addition to being boring it made those sections take longer.
It was especially disappointing to me after Shadowbringers had some of the best and most comically massive boss to boss pack pulls in the entire game (Mt Gulg) and in many cases allowed you to pull directly into mini bosses, or had special tech that let you spawn enemies early (Qitana Ravel). I had a ton of fun learning these strategies from other tanks while doing roulettes on my dps and healers, and then teaching the optimal strategies to others when I leveled my tanks.
I was mixed at the time because I felt the actual dungeon boss fights in Endwalker were a lot of fun, and then I really enjoyed the extremes and savage content (Although I was also beginning to feel weary of an over reliance on floating bosses and arena sized bosses. I play tank in high end content and I love the gameplay loop of anticipating the boss moves and pre-positioning myself to bait their attacks, or lining them up well for my melee dps players). It also helped a lot that I loved the music and the story of Endwalker.
I should note I’m also very sensitive to the state of the casual content because I like to level and ~gear every job in the game. So I spend a lot of time in dungeons and such, running through content with FC members, and so on. I had a goal at one point to orange parse the extremes with every job in the game (extremely doable with the uncapped tome equipment and memeing on food and potions lol, it’s really just a test of if you can execute your rotation the whole fight without dying) and I did get at least one orange with each job. So having the ability to have fun while leveling all my jobs (a very time intensive task) is very important to me.
But yeah when Dawntrail dropped the dungeons felt even more restrictive than ever before, the boss fights hadn’t really improved much, and it felt like all of the jobs themselves got even simpler in their rotation. To the point where I felt like it didn’t even matter what tank I picked, it was basically the same rotation. Like the 6.3 Paladin rework to finish turning all the tanks into Warrior clones was just so gut wrenching to me. I looked at my hot bars one day and realized I had all the “same” buttons in all the same places. 1-2-3/4 combo, then press your big burst button 3 times, reach over here for your oGCDs. All of the defensive cooldowns were totally homogenized as well. I guess I’m a final fantasy boomer now but I used to like stressing the healers out by memeing them with Dark Knight’s old invuln and stuff like that lol.
It used to feel like I could get a lot of variety just from switching jobs but for Dawntrail I only bothered leveling one of each type (tank healer melee range magic) because at some point, after being able to make my own fun with the process for years and years over multiple expansions, it just felt like I couldn’t anymore. Eventually I stopped keeping up with the game entirely and for the first time ever I’m considering skipping the next expansion launch, which has always been a huge event for me that I take time off work for.
Anyway wow sorry for the rant, I started out just having a couple things to say but I guess I just hadn’t really processed all of that until now lol. TL;DR kids these days don’t realize the game was sooo much better back in myyy day
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And then turns to garbage at the 400 hour mark. Dawntrail actually made me quit due to some of the worst writing I have ever had the misfortune of experiencing in a game. Serious whiplash coming off the fourth expansion.
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It was a pretty rough start for the new arc admittedly. The actual expac MSQ itself was decent, I beyond love all the FF9 stuff (apparently I have no idea how spoiler tags work on lemmy so spoiler below) but the patches have left me so disinterested I haven't been on to do them for the last two or three at least
Especially since it's essentially FF9 2, being set in the same world just many years in the future
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I didn't actually finish the 7.0 MSQ (I quit shortly after the awful "western" storyline), but the actual writing was painfully bad at every point leading up to that. For example, the way we know Wuk Lamat has grown as a person is because they say "Wuk Lamat has really grown through this adventure". Most characters appear to have the motivation of dong things because the plot needs it to happen.
Finally, the prior expansions had strong themes, from Heavensword's take on cyclical violence, SB talking about oppression and so on. Dawntrail doesn't seem to have anything to say (or maybe it's all at the end, idk). It was just really disappointing and I just couldn't deal with it. It's like it was written for children except it deals with dark themes. Like the worst of the YA section.
By contrast, I was a blubbering mess at points in ShB and EW. Especially the 5.3 stuff, holy shit.
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The raiding is trash. They took a good idea and just rinse, wash, repeat. It has a few new ideas mechanically, but really after near a decade I hung it up.
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To be fair about One Piece, there's so little unique content in each episode, sandwiched between a lengthy theme song and recap, and next episode preview, that 37 episodes is more like 15 episodes.
And I love all of it.
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Honestly pacing is the anime's biggest weakness. The show simply has dogwater pacing to help it maintain a consistent run since 1999. One Pace, which cuts roughly half of the total run time is a godsend if you ever want to watch the show
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It does get good at the climax of the base game, A Realm Reborn, when Rauban loses control. That's what hooked me. There are other great moments and plots along the way through the whole game . But for the overall best time, it's the 3rd expansion, Shadow Bringers, that's a masterpiece all the way through. That's some of the best Final Fantasy I've ever played from Squaresoft or SquareEnix.
Dawntrail, I can't recommend. I can't get into it.
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Rauban was so fun. I was like "yes, where was this hours ago?" I recently fell off somewhere post shadow bringers. I dunno, it really does start feeling slow there to me
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It does slow down after that. Eventually, it picks back up during Endwalker and that does really well on it's own, but in the shadow of Shadowbringers it's hard to measure up. Endwalker would be my second favorite expansion. Even post-EW was good. But then it drops like a rock for Dawntrail. That's my least favorite of the entire series. Maybe they've turned it around, idk. But I quit in the post-DT around one of the quests that just says "Speak to Wuk Lamat" AGAIN and I just don't know why we're still hanging out with that loser who falls into success.
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Shadowbringers was a treat most of the way through, very unique and the constant feeling of dread was great. Except the trolley part, I spent weeks stalled on the story at that bit. Amaurot was worth it though.
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ARR has huge pacing issues and a lot of stuff that just isn't that great. However, it's basically essential for the later on stuff and can't really be trimmed down that well without losing a lot of stuff. It does get good though :/
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"It gets good at season 2"
"Then let's start there."
"But then you won't know what's going on"
"If it's good then I won't have to"
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When I was new to anime I watched Naruto. Made it about 150 eps before everything felt like it was repeating itself, and that was the last "endless" anime I ever watched.
Still maintain that an anime over about 100 eps can't be good--maybe ok, maybe amusing enough that you'll watch it, but not good good. There's simply no way to sustain a decent story for that long.
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I think I got to the low hundred mark on naruto. Then someone told me everything after the ::: spoiler spoiler death of the old dude and kidnapping of super serious emo kid :::
wasn't worth watching, because the naruto shipuden basically picked up there anyway. I suppose I'll get around to shipuden someday and find out.
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IIRC eps 120-220 are straight up 100 eps of filler and every fan will tell you to skip those.
Sorry for your shitty experience, hope you can give Shippuden's canon a chance sometime
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I got bored after 8 episodes.
I thought it was so cool since protestors in Nepal used the pirate flag thing in the Gen Z protests, so I was like: did I miss out on a great Anime?
Nope, boooring. (no offense to the fans, but it just aint for me)
But the opening was cool tho...
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Read the manga
The anime is boring
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One piece the manga is great through and through
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dude episode 37? try episode 130+ lmao one piece is so slow and boring until a little past the alabasta arc.
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Nah it gets good at Arlong Park
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I made it through about one minute of one piece once.
One of those "every trite shitty fucking anime trope fist fucked into a pile of shit" anime's. Which I'll admit ismost of them imo.
I love good anime. The problem is the overwhelming majority of it is fucking shit.
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Sounds exactly like the review from someone who never watches One Piece past the 1 minute mark.
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Honestly, the opposite is why I struggled to get into the show for so long. I have a bunch of messages with friends who were pushing me to watch it of "I don't get why this happens, I don't feel enjoyment out of the fights. He's doing the same thing every time and then for some reason it works the last time"
I think one piece is one of the few shows where I don't actually like the main protag. I understand Luffy's personality, and I understand that perseverance is his thing, but he takes a hammer approach for everything. I didn't like how for the first 400 or so episodes his approach to fighting anything was to hit it repeatedly, just angrier. Defeating antagonists early on seemed super unrewarding because it was the same thing he does all battle, just for some reason it works that time.
Note this does eventually change, but like the time commitment required to get to that part where it's engaging is super high. I do like the show now that it's actually starting to pick up but, I defo don't believe that I would have made it to this point if I wasn't also being pushed to since I was in a one piece DnD campaign and not understanding key elements was getting old lmao
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After reading basically all of the comments here, I'm gonna dissent and say that the first 300eps of one piece are great and I disagree with people saying they aren't. The show is not a speedrun. I loved the openings and endings. Skip the recap when it grates on you because over time it gets longer and longer; I remember some episodes having like 6 minutes of recap, which is absolutely unacceptable, regardless of how complex the war-like battles with multiple factions are.
I was greatly saddened by the decision to get rid of outros, and the double length into drags. The show can admittedly be slow in a lot of places, but nowhere near as egregious as a lot of people make it out to be. I LIKE shows that take it easy and have world building and vibe building.
If One Pace does it for you, though, all the power to you. That's a great project.
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Yeah, I'm always surprised at how common the opinion "one piece gets good after 50 episodes" is. One piece was pretty fun from the very start to me. Later episodes actually get worse for me because of how much they drag. I had to switch over to One Pace in dressrosa because I thought the actual plot was amazing, but I couldn't handle the pace of the actual show.
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I think its probably because while the first few eps are really good, one or two of the south-blue arcs arent. To me its more like "one piece gets consistently good around arlong park"
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This is probably the more popular view i hear from actual one piece fans
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This has genuinely happened to me
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One Piece is good before episode 37 (iykyk) but that’s when it really picks up in quality imo. Romance Dawn (aka the entire first arc) of One Piece is a lot slower than the rest of the series.
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Depends on the individual. I found the game to be deeply moving even in the earliest stages. Though the Limsa and Ul'dah night themes could make passing a tapeworm into a bucket feel moving.
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As a manga reader, read one piece, it's great starting from volume 1. But I can't watch the anime, it's too slow. I don't like most anime though.
Edit: not really a fan of TV in general I guess
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Meh, it's okay
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No such thing as a sunk cost, move onto something more enjoyable if you can.
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🐒 The One Piece is REAL! ⚓
All episodes up to Episode 37 showcases well of what the entire series is all about.
If you are not into it by 37 episodes in, I don't think One Piece is for you.
I've also seen one too many haters turn their tune by then.
I no longer watch the series at release, instead I watch with other reactors that I feel like calling my Nakama.
🥹 Beware: prepare to cry & bring a towel to catch those tears. This series can & will draw raw emotion out of you.
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Yeah, Heavensward and Shadowbringers are undoubtedly the best bits. Endwalker isn't far behind.
But then MMOs aren't typically played for the story anyway.
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Trails/Kiseki fan reporting in. It's the same thing with trying to get friends into the series (though the remake of the first game helps tremendously) but there's so many games and so much dialog and it's a massive commitment if you want to get through the series. But we have to say the story really only kicks in during the final chapter and the second game.
Still worth it.
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I would not watch 36 episodes or play 150 hours. But...
... don't dismiss something too quickly. I watched One Cut Of The Dead, and the gimmick of that movie was (I thought) that it was filmed in one take. But holy shit, bad acting, bad sfx, and super cheap production quality. Dropped it after twenty minutes.
And then I read fantastic reviews, thank god spoiler free. So I sat down again, started it, and somehow made it through the first thirty minutes. And holy fuck, it had a brilliant pay off! More than worth it to pay attention this half hour!
With anime I give them three episodes to get me hooked. For games I draw my personal line for 5 hours.
But not 36 episodes. Or 150 hours :)
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Now I need to give One Cut of the Dead another go.
I also stopped 20 minutes in. Twice.
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Nice! I hope you can enjoy the hour that follows the first thirty minutes like me! Just a hint: Pay attention in the beginning, the more you have an eye for details the more fun it gets!
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One Cut is a truly fantastic movie.
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Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Story and gameplay both get good around the end of chapter 3.
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ive heard them tell me it gets good after 100 or so episodes (but you gotta watch it for context). and there is a lot of filler you gotta skip in between.
then, the 1000+ episode series gets good lol
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I agree with this statement, I dropped it for 6 or 7 months during the alabasta arc cause I just couldn't binge it further, but once that arc is done, is slowly starts picking up the pacing and is really good
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Idk about everyone else but One Piece is literally our comfort show (watched all all of it- we think 6 times by now) and we’re rewatching again atm via the One Pace edit and even started reading the manga aswell (in Spanish as we’re learning Spanish rn).
So far in One Pace a lot of small details are removed which we personally dislike, but the overall concessions and it being a faster pace edit it’s pretty good ngl. If your looking for a good run through of the anime, the One Pace gets the job done.
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Also we should mention we know the show isn’t for everyone but we personally love it. It’s not for everyone and other people like things we don’t like too.
But like we mentioned if you’re wanting a rough watch and get a good idea of the series in order not to miss out, One Pace is a really good edit to watch it.
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I can’t tolerate anime noises for hours. Put the entire game in the trash. gaham*
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I get it. Anime noises killed my interest in the Final Fantasy 7 remakes.
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Wat? FF14 is good like immediately.
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I remember buying Final Fantasy XIV on Steam some years ago, and something about doing that made it so I completely missed out on the free trial. So now I'm not sure if I want to try to disassociate my Steam account from my Squeenix account and make a new one for the latter and see if that gives me access to the free version; or wait until I'm either comfortable paying the subscription or if a private server gets off the ground.
Final Fantasy XI private servers are alive and well in the meantime, and that's a game I still need to experience as well. Also PSO Blue Burst.
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The FFXIV free trial let's you play like the first 3 expansions (heavensward, stormblood, shadowbringers) without paying a dime and with no time limit (there are some limitations like how much in game currency you can amass and who you can private message). The downside is that if you buy the game you don't qualify for the free trial anymore.
Sadly the Steam version can't be disassociated from your account so you're screwed there. But if you really wanna try out the game then just make a new trial account, you just need an email address for it and that's it. Just make sure you don't buy the game on that account as that will void the free trial and ask you for a sub.
The free trial is worth it for the content it provides with such little commitment.
Edit: I forgot to say that the free trial gets updated so they add in a new expansion to it whenever they release the newest one. So for example when they release the expansion after Dawntrail the free trial will be updated to contain the first 4 expansions (heavensward, stormblood, shadowbringers and endwalker).
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Okay, cool. That sounds like the way to go. I'll just use a different account and email for the free trial, then switch back to my main if I ever start a subscription.
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Kinda late to this thread, but OP is pretty decent for the first 300 episodes, of which I recommend you watch One Pace or read the Manga instead due to Funimation's absolute shit tier pacing and literal stall frame timing. Seriously you will waste a solid 1/3rd of the time on filler frames and static scenes because they want to make more episodes.
The writing itself is actually pretty smooth, and the filler content (not animation) actually fits so well you probably won't even notice its filler, because it really adds to the world building and story (and afaik is actually written by the manga author).
Everything after than, just disregard it as a Shonen franchising product designed to make money, like Pokemon.
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One Piece abbreviated as OP is confusing the hell out of my social media brain.
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You’re not wrong about OP but also the rewatchability isn’t great. The power creep for one piece is ridiculous and the early episodes are kind of boring when compared to later episodes that aren’t filler.
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FF13 had a similar argument.
<Insert Anime here>
is really good. You just need to cut away <roughly 75% of it>.Bad TV apologia is a sure sign I won't vibe with someone
Ain’t that the truth. There used to be a shortened version of Naruto on utube that was like a third the length of the full versions, with out lose of any content.
There's a fan project recutting One Piece like that, and Dragon Ball Z Kai was an official series.
I think anime has switched almost entirely to a seasonal format for related reasons. Filler just doesn't serve a purpose if you don't need to regularly fill a time slot on a live channel.
sometimes i watch with 4x speed. most times 1.25 or 1.5. they really like to stretch some things out. "go parn. save deedlit. i'll deal with it." "are you sure?" "go parn." "are you sure?" "go parn." "are you really, really sure?" get in the fucking robot. shinji
Hey now, there's no need to bring Farscape into this. (I'm joking. But Farscape was famously adapted into a very watchable re-cut that throws out a great deal of the original film.)
You take that back!
I never knew about the recut, but presumably it gets rid of a lot of the monster-of-the-week content?
I don't think any of that was actually bad. It didn't move the overarching plot along all the time, but that wasn't the point.