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OMG in still confused at this.
"I don't eat animals"
"Do you eat fish?" (My thinking people say they are vegetarian but are actually pescaterian but don't like saying it for some reason)
"Yea but thats not an animal"
"Hahaha yea it is"
"No it isnt"
"Wait what? .. If its not an animal what is it? A tree? Haha"
"It's a fish!"
"Which is an animal"
"No! An animal is an animal, and a fish is a fish!"
"Fish are animal. Look we can look it up to check if you want"
"I'm not going to look it up because I know a fish isn't an animal. I don't need to look it up!"
"... ... I guess I can't argue with that"
This all took place during pre drinks which is why I thought I was getting fucked with at the start. But I never realised how so many people are walking around blindingly, confidently, unshakeably wrong. She got mad.
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I'm able to understand conceptually that "meat" doesn't literally mean any animal's muscle tissue in every language. Sometimes it's a more vague concept of a large mammal's meat and excludes fish, poultry, etc. And that's okay. But I also hate it.
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My mom often cooks "meat free". There's always some sausage in there like Chorizo. Tastes great, but it's certainly not free of meat.
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I’ve never once voiced this thought out loud, but every time someone says something like “I don’t want fish, I want to eat meat” I think “Well, you’re wrong, but OK.” There’s some arbitrary dividing line people assume is logical, but I don’t think it would hold up to serious scrutiny.
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Are organs other than muscle not meat?
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They are kind of right ... there is no such thing as a fish.
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More people need to be told to their face that they're imbeciles.
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Just confusing animals and mammals. Cause they're both mals.
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She got mad
Laugh in her face then walk away and let her be mad
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I have a workmate who loves to act dumb. We’ve decided fish aren’t animals, they are indeed fish, we’ve also decided jellyfish are crustaceans.
Do we have to decide to share the Nobel prize or does a committee decide that for us?
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I'm vegan, but i eat cows. Cows aren't animals, cows are cows.
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Ok, but you are wrong. While biology means animal is a member of animalia, people usually mean an animal that is capable of higher functions, e.g. a dog, sheep etc.
Most fish don't express themselves in an understandable way. Mussels barely have neurons.
You gotta relax. Any sane human being should have clearly understood where they draw the line.
You also do wrong stuff all the time because it is useful to be wrong.
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What the fuck are you on about???
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I've only ever known Christians to think fish aren't animals. I'm pretty sure that's something random that the Vatican decided for bending lent rules or some shit.
at least in my life most people do not have a "reasonably underseood line" where they arbitrarily stop considering animals as animals due to their perceived lack of communication. they have a line where they stop caring about them, but that's usually about how cute they are, not about how they communicate. if more people understood koalas better they'd be way less popular. they barely have a brain, can't communicate much, sound absolutely awful...
most people just don't actually think that much about it. trivia is for the people that do think about things. and it certainly should at least have its answers checked on google.
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I think you mean fish don't express themselves in a way you understand. Some are lone hunters who have to rely on their wits to survive, while some have complex social interactions. Some even pass the mirror test.
I don't think you should make excuses for why some things deserve life or kindness and others don't. I think it's better to just be honest with yourself about your personal biases and say you like dogs too much to hurt them, but that you don't care as much about fish.
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Mussels aren't fish.
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I don't think people "usually" mean that at all. And even if they did, why would I care what people mean by it if it's wrong?
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You're somehow both wrong, and useless here. How did you manage to disprove yourself so thoroughly?
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Yeah, that's not what animal means.
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I don’t understand your nonsense… you must be a fish.
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Nah buddy, we all went to school, and it's abundantly clear that in modern English, an animal is part of the Kingdom Animalia.
So, the only people (in the English speaking world) who don't think of insects or fish an animals, either are of a much, much older generation, or didn't do very well in school.
Most fucking 6-year-olds, in Australia at least, would be able to answer yes to "is a fish an animal?".
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Fish just express themselves in a way different from mammals, and just as capable of 'higher functions' as any other animal.
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When I was in third grade I had an argument with my teacher who told me that insects were not animals. I was really into nature documentaries and books at the time and I knew that insects were in the animal kingdom. I remember going home and being really mad about it. That really soured me on school for the rest of my life. I'm still bitter about it!
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I had a teacher in 6th grade who told us that God placed the earth the perfect distance from the Sun; a few inches closer and we'd all burn, and a few inches further and we'd all freeze. I got detention for standing on top of my desk and asking why I wasn't on fire yet.
That kinda shattered my view of teachers being arbiters of knowledge.
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Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, “This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!”
Douglas Adams
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he's out of line but he's right
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The problem isn't teachers, it's that religion is a severe mental illness.
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Also, that’s a specious argument because if the Earth wasn’t in the Goldilocks zone it would be a dead planet and we wouldn’t have evolved on it over billions of years to make the observation that it is the right distance from the Sun to harbour life.
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Silimar, I had a teacher ask us to write down the first animal that came to mind and I wrote, "wolf spider" because to an 8 year old, there are few more bad ass sounding animals.
She said "really? That's the First animal you think of?" Eye roll
Me: looks down at doodles of giant spiders battling tanks that shoot lightning, "it's the only animal I'm thinking of right now..."
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I guess compared to the other examples at least she didn't try and persuade you it wasn't an animal, just a bit crap at embracing a child's natural enthusiasm and kind of immediately killing their sense of enquiry by making it in to an experience of being judged.
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My third grade teacher told me that negative numbers aren't real.
Reflecting back on it thirty years later, it's clear what she meant, but the poorly communicated statement and arguments she made were very upsetting to me, someone who at the time was very proud of having just learned the concept.
In the moment, I had the same reaction as you. Shortly thereafter, my mom - who was not at all a fan of that teacher - took my brother and me out of public school and we started homeschool.
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I really wish teachers understood that the correct response to that is "yes, but that's something you'll be learning later, for now we're going to not deal with that." That's how my Jr high math teacher dealt with me forgetting algebra and attempting to invent calculus because the rate of change seemed the easiest solution to the problem.
That said, I've met education students. You've got some bright people who really love kids or teaching, but you've got plenty of people who never really understood stem subjects. It was a revelation to learn that yeah a lot of grade school teachers don't get math.
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Sometimes teachers repeat a lesson plan over and over, and a small innocuous statement grows in intensity with each retelling and each argument with students as the teacher digs in their heels, until it’s ballooned into something silly. I’ve also heard that suction and centrifugal force are a myth.
OK, I understand that you’re trying to make a point to better my understanding of the material you are currently teaching, but now I’m hung up on this weird thing you said. It usually comes down to something “the language to describe this thing is insufficient when expressed this way” but the way they say it is like “this concept is a lie, full stop, no more thinking.”
Maybe they initially wanted to use more definitive statements to make students listen in class or something.
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Try telling anybody that Humans are animals too and there's a better than 50% chance they will argue with you about that as well.
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same with birds, like people don't count them as animals where i live
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Well, yeah. They are government drones. (/s just in case someone needs it)
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This is historically the case in Japan (birds and fish/seafood not being considered "meat"/animals when it comes to eating them). It started with Buddhism proscribing a meat-free diet, with that being impractical for the vast majority of the population unless some animals were still okay to eat.
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That's pretty normal, historically-speaking. The modern classification system isn't really very old compared to how long we've been talking about animals.
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Aristotle thought bugs and fish and birds are all animals. I literally don't know any classification system, or definition, that doesn't.
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Exactly! Everyone in this tread is hating on people that just learned a different "truth". In 50 years everyone here will be wrong about something as fundamental as the animal kingdom and insist on being right. Science advances and previous truths become false.
There is also the aspect of biological classification not being very useful for everyday live. Do people go "uhm actachully biologically fish don't exist" every time they see a meal advertised as "fish ...". People can have a concept of "animal" that is different from the taxonomy. And classifying mammals+reptiles+amphibian(+birds) as something different than fish and different than insects is a pretty reasonable classification (based on phenotype and not on phylogeny)
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I'm impressed how common these "sightings" are given how rare I would have assumed this type of person would be. But lo and behold...
I was visiting the aquarium some years ago and there was an expert at one of the exhibits talking about "these animals this and these animals that" when suddenly I heard a woman who had several children with her exclaim "Fish are animals?"
I don't recall at the moment how the staff member responded, other than I remember being impressed because it was a very non-judgmental and informative reply to her.
Admittedly, my partner in crime and I were struggling with the darker elements of our animal nature -- beet red from holding back our laughter and our eyes-only conversation wasn't helping.
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Guess that dealing with public in that context everyday ot would be a common occurece and they already have a easy non judgmental answer for that
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Or that mushrooms aren't plants.
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mutters to self don't take the bait
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Chill, he's just being a fun guy!
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If you're serious, I think you're mistaken who's making the statement. I've had conversations with humanity majors who made comments about mushrooms being plants despite the obvious fact that they don't photosynthesize. Never mind that they breath oxygen in and release co2.
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Mushroom = sex organ of alien invaders
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Me when I'm eating that fungussy
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I have never in my life met a person who thought that insects aren't animals, what are you talking about?
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A lot of people appear to think that animal=mammal or animal=vertebrate. I remember when in history class we had to discuss differences between humans and other animals. The girl I had as my partner told me fish and dolphins weren't animals.
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i envy you. i've met people who don't thrnk birds are animals, including one veterinarian.
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I mean, yeah, government drones are not animals, I don't see the problem here.
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Do they also believe that birds aren't real?
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birds must be a carrot. Surely?
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I mean, considering that this is a successful meme on two different platforms and that there are multiple comments giving their own examples, I would assume that it's a behaviour that a lot of people come across, regardless of your personal experience.
We live in a world where people who believe in jewish space lazers and think they're going to get 5G from vaccines exist, and you find this hard to believe?
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Correct me if I’m wrong but like isn’t every living thing an animal? Like trees and fungi too? Or is there something I’m missing?I was wrong yall
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Animals are one group or "kingdom" of life. Plants (such as trees) and fungi (such as mushrooms) each have their own kingdoms, and so do bacteria and a few other forms of life. They're organized this way to represent how closely related they are. Every single living thing in the animal kingdom is more closely related to every single other thing in the animal kingdom than to anything in any other kingdom.
As an example, chimpanzees, starfish, and earthworms are more closely related to each other than to a sunflower, so we call chimpanzees, starfish, and earthworms animals but not sunflowers. This is called "taxonomy" and there's a ton of different levels of how related things are, ranging from very distantly related to so closely related you can barely tell them apart. Kingdom isn't even the most broad!
You might have also heard that fungi are more closely related to animals than to plants, but that doesn't mean that fungi are animals, just that the lifeform that branched into fungi and animals did so a lot later than the one that branched into plants. In the end they're still distinct enough that we call them different kingdoms!
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That was a well explained reply, thanks!
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Thank you for putting my thoughts into much more eloquent words!
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This is where the Chinese Language comes to shine. Animal, 动物, literally "moving object", so if it has roots (aka: plants, fungi), it cannot move on its own, therefore, not a 动物, Animal.
Like the words are self-explanatory, so beautiful.
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No worries I know someone from hk who loves linguistics this will get me some brownie points
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Wouldn't that make corals and sponges not animal, despite biologically being animals?
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English isn't that far off. Animal has the same root as animate, which is the Latin anima, "soul" or "breath." The English word plant has synonyms and general connotations of fixedness or non-intentionality.
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No trees are plants and fungi are fungi. Animals are multicellular organisms that are mobile and seek out food at a very basic description. Plants are multicellular non mobile that make their own food and fungi are somewhere between that. Closer to animals but not. Then there's the single cell life of bacteria and archea.
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And they get mad when you tell them humans are, too.
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You think these people know biology nowadays? Come on now, look around you. If anything, they're trying to get rid of biology courses in schools
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Really they're trying to get rid of education as a whole in schools.
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Indeed, especially science that explains reality in any form
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In the US, yes.
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Everyday language don't care about biology. Language is about communicating concepts. Sometimes the evolution history may be of relevance. Sometimes it is a hindrance.
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Don't worry ladies and gentlemen, language doesn't matter anymore.
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I'm an animal too
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You too!?
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Heretic!
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I'm more of a slime mold myself.
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And imagine telling someone that Sun is a star...
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Just try telling people that they are animals as well.
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Say them that they are from regnum animalia and they will understand it as an insult, as some "anomaly"...
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Imagine seeing Earth from the planet Moon.
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It hurts to listen 😫 "Moon is not a planet. It's a star!" 😩
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No matter how you feel about her, this is one of those pics that speak a thousand words.
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Are we supposed to know who this is?
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Big booba lady from Euphoria tv show and half a dozen flop movies.
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an animal for sure
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I think her face is always like that
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How?
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I'm still not totally clear on where the line for plants is, what's the deal with phytoplankton? Why isn't brown algae a plant? What are archaea? Also wtf is a species? is there a point in learning biology where things start to make sense again or does in only get muddier from here
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Can someone explain the memes template/what it is trying to convey.
I get the text, but I am unfamiliar with the meme and what the face it meant to be portraying.
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I took it to be another version of this Homelander reaction. Basically a look of disdain and disgust. Spiked with a bit of superiority complex.
This particular image is just doing the rounds now because it's from a recent Sweeney Todd interview, or whatever her name is.
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Sweeney Todd, Demon Barber of Jean Street
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Well if not animals, what are they? Plants? Mushrooms? lmao
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Mushrooms are Plants! /s
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I think language plays a factor in how you think.
When I think of the English word "Animal", I think of a picture of a deer or a cow in a textbook. When I think in Chinese, 动物, I extrapolate the meaning of the word, 动 which means "moving", and 物 meaning "object", 动物 = "moving object", so its easy to know what is and isn't a 动物 (animal), the word is self-explanatory.
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A lot of words in English are based on similar patterns, with roots in Latin or Greek. "Animal" isn't a compound example like 动物, but it does have a root in the Latin "anima", which has more of a spiritual basis.
The English word "animal" derives from the Latin word animale, a neuter form of the adjective animalis. The ultimate root of the word is the Latin noun anima, meaning "breath," "soul," or "vital principle".
The etymology traces the concept of an "animal" back to the essential quality of having life, specifically the presence of breath or a soul that distinguishes a living being from an inanimate object.
Arguably also a little bit outdated, considering the discovery of phosphorous in pee and how it proved there was nothing fundamentally different about matter in living beings vs matter in inanimate objects.
Effectively both have more or less the same meaning, considering 'anima' is the same root for animate.
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I wonder if this causes a similar confusion about sea cucumbers and venus fly traps.
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Tbf, when they coined those terms, they probably haven't discovered like most of the variety of species yet, but that was the best term they had at the time.
Edit: Also: Venus Fly Trap does not have legs to move. It technically does move, but it's still pretty much stationary relative to the ground. the 植 in 植物 (plants) basiclly includes the character 植, meaning "to plant"/"to establish", so anything within the 植物 category cannot relocate itself (excluding via reproduction, spreading seeds, which doesn't count for this purpose).
Also, doesn't sea cucumbers move? I mean, snails are animals, theres no confusion about that lol.
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To be fair I had a good crack at convincing my missus that manimals are a subclass of animal and she’s smarter than me - just at practical humanities subjects instead of STEM bollocks.
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manimals
Heh.
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That's suspiciously specific.
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The look to which my response is "Oh... I'm sorry I didn't know about your disability".
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One of the true Cincinnati Bengals.
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Actually, this is how I look at people who think stating that insects are animals makes them big brains... Its right up there, with "Spiders arent incests because they have 8 legs." or "The sun is actually a star!" or "America is actually a continent". Its always the most basic of shit that people who try to make others feel small use during these annoying conversations.
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"The sun is actually a star!"
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"Spiders aren't incests because they have 8 legs."
Umm, actually, spiders sometimes ARE incests. In fact, an article I saw when googling that said that it was actually safer for the male when they were incests (as they're less likely to be killed and eaten). And they can be or not be incests for reasons other than their 8 legs...
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The other ones being, there is actually no such thing as a fish, and a tomato is a fruit not a vegetable.
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That fish thing is gonna be the next big culture war. Some fucking idiot is going to say that if you eat Salmon, youre a cannibal because Salmon share like 60 to 70% of their DNA with humans and then we will be off to the races. Next will be interspecies erotica... And its OK, cos 60% is close enough... or something... lol
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Insect? Or incest? Freudian slip?
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What are you doing,
stepbro? ;)
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people that
people *who
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"People that" is fine in informal writing, which a meme certainly qualifies as.
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whomst'd'v-eth
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I was at a trivia night and a question was, "Apart from humans, what's the two highest populated species in the animal kingdom?"
Now, I'm not the smartest brain inhabiting a future corpse, but I did do basics in school.
I say to my group, "Maybe plankton? But I don't know if there's some technicality over that being a plant or something. If I were to guess, probably ants and then flies." We agreed and went with that.
NOPE!!!
Cats and dogs apparently!!!
This didn't even make sense to us if considering just the mammals.
I protested.
The quiz master said "The question is about the animal kingdom."
"Well, if insects aren't animals, what are they?"
He dug in his heels, we weren't getting the points. And to make things even more bizarre, most other teams said cats and/or dogs to get 1 or 2 points.
We found a new trivia night.
Also isn't there like 12 bazillion chickens per person? No fucking way could it be cats/dogs.
Rats? There are millions and millions of them. They breed rapidly. But, I would’ve assumed it was some type of insect.
26 billion chickens globally, apparently.
The most annoying part of that is that cats and dogs both eat meat! He thinks there are more cats and dogs than the chickens and cows (etc) we feed them? What demented food web did they teach him in elementary school biology?
Cats and dogs aren't even species; they're vague categories. I tried to find the actual answer to this question, but trying to nail down individual species is proving impossible. Every source is like "copepods" or "ants" like that isn't incredibly broad. ChatGPT says it's the Antarctic krill with 5x1014 individuals. Going from there, the WWF says there's over 7x1014 , and Wikipedia only says they're one of the most abundant species. I'm not going to get an answer to this question, and I'm going to be mildly annoyed about it infrequently for the rest of time.
Krill were my first choice, squids might be up there too, but the word ‘species’ instead of a more broad taxonomic term is a special limit.
I know it's the formatting being goofy, but 7x1014 is a very, very large number.
I would have guessed ants, but I think they're just in the top 10? I wonder if humans are even in the top 1000, lol.
"What animal breathes through its butt"
I answered sea cucumber. They wanted sea turtle. But we complained and they accepted our answer too :)
Arson out of the question due to rain?
Humans aren't even in the top 10. They're probably not in the top 100, really.
If he meant mammals the answer is mice and rats.
There might be the nuance that there are many species of ants and flies, though still idk if any one of them outdoes humans, their pets and chickens.
Wikipedia's page on biomass says that ants can compete with humans in global biomass (though the estimates vary wildly), but there are 15700 species of ants.
im really intrested. what is their answer for if insects were not animals?
They didn't have one and just doubled down on them not having vertebrae so therefore weren't part of the animal kingdom.