News @kbin.social sendingmath @kbin.social 2y ago

Human remains thought to be found in Titan sub debris

www.bbc.co.uk Human remains thought to be found in Titan sub debris

US medical professionals will conduct a formal analysis of presumed remains, the coast guard said.

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World News @lemmy.world seacocker @lemmy.world 2y ago

Human remains thought to be found in Titan sub debris

www.bbc.co.uk /news/world-us-canada-66049789

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We get it. They died. It's tragic but this coverage is unnecessary and gratuitous.
- It's tragic
  
  It's probably sad for the people who are connected, but it's not really all that tragic. Some people died doing something extremely risky.
  
  @DerisionConsulting "it's not really all that tragic"
  
  It's actually the classical definition of tragedy - an awful result that comes from the protagonist's hubris
  
  @sendingmath @WytchStar
  
  I find the 19yo kid’s death tragic. He was probably coerced into going. Everyone else, I quite agree with you.
  
  Right?! There's innumerable dead adrenaline junkies maimed and killed all the time doing something that has a high mortality rate, by design!
  
  Everyone's just on pins and needles about this particular one because he's among the global oppressor class.
  
  But just like so many self-serving cultural views our oligarchs have pushed on us, a peasant with a death wish is crazy, a wealthy person with a death wish is eccentric.
- I mean, I can't really tell you why, but I'm fascinated by this incident, so I'm interested in the stories that come out with new information.
  
  probably because the ceo is an arrogant idiot
- we're all learning more and more about noted shithead, Stockton Rush.
  
  Mr. Rush is behind the whole debacle. I am concerned that he duped others and took their money, and people died.
  
  And what part of this particular piece of journalism do you feel assists us in that endeavor?
In email messages seen by the BBC, Mr Rush had previously dismissed safety worries from one expert, saying he was "tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation".

Seems as though he thought he was fighting against the stifling of innovation. In reality it seems he truly was unsafe and definitely should have had better oversight.
- To be fair, though, it wasn't the safety issues that got him, it was all that water.
  
  To be fair, though, it wasn’t the water that got him, it was all that pressure. Lots of commas
- Deregulation WHEEEEEEEEE!!!
  
  Never was any regulation. It operated only in international waters.
- Innovation does not equal cutting corners just to increase your bottom line
  
  Exactly this. The reality is his submersible was dangerously unsafe, it’s a bit of a misconception that it was a ticking time bomb because of fatigue- that is a thing related to metallic (crystalline )structures and stress cycles-as a composite, CF doesn’t have that.
  
  What Cameron was getting at is that with titanium and steel, it’s can be modeled very easily- and because steel has a relatively high tolerance before fatiguenstarts… they literally can engineer around it and make parts that effectively don’t have fatigue (unlike aluminum, where every elastic bend degrades it’s structure.)
  
  The problem with composites is that they are very difficult to model. You degrade the polymer (that is epoxy) and it weakens the hull. You drop the sub on the deck, get a delaminated bit. Whatever, once there’s damage to the structure it’s done for.
  
  CF bikes for example, used in professional bike racing are retired after a crash because there’s no way to examine delaminating off the edge, which makes them extremely dangerous to ride,
  
  The kind of people unwilling to have 3rd party certification to do much as validate your pressure hill is thick enough is unlikely to scrap an entire custom pressure hill because some idiot screwed the monitor into it. (Or dropped it. Or noticed that there was some delam around the hatch or whatever else.)
  
  But... but... muh profits
  
  And now that bottom line has been increased... to a large portion of the bottom of the ocean.
- Why would anyone in their right mind think that safety precautions are in place to stop innovation?
I'm still holding out for a miracle. Maybe they're just curled up in one of the corners, all safe and snug.
- Yup, no shortage of oxygen, H2O after all
  
  Typical media hype. Figures they'd ignore basic science for a few clicks.
Oh my God who cares. Why are we expending literally any effort on this. Oh yeah. Cuz they were rich.
- It may seem grotesque or insensitive but this may actually be pretty interesting scientifically. I don't think there's been any recorded deaths from a sub imploding at this depth.
  
  And carbon fiber is still a relatively new material. Finding out how it failed might mean learning new ways to make it stronger.
  
  They also need to analyze it to figure out why it failed to see if they can press any charges against the company.
- Rich people die all the time, in hospitals. Nobody pays much attention.
  
  The reason an imploding sub is getting attention is that sub implosions don't happen every day. There were no millionaires aboard the Kursk, but everybody was talking about it after it imploded.
  
  Tragedies on private subs are even more rare. When non-millionaire Kim Wall was murdered aboard the Nautilus, it got plenty of attention even though plenty of other people were murdered that day.
peers inside

Oof, Billionaire dust, don't breath this.
- Billionaire Dust! Captured from The Deep! Distilled and Trapped in a Powerful Tincture! Does not contain urine.
  
  Get your titanic billionaire dust speck with certificate of authenticity! Only $99.95!
  
  It's what any proud capitalist would want, to have their remains monetized and sold off piece by piece and circulated like the currency they dedicated their life to hoarding, just like the Ferengi do from star trek!
- Probably more like gelatinous ooze.
I don't think they made it.
- Did they check for a pulse?
  
  I don't think they had much in the way of catering on board. Peanuts might qualify but I'm not sure.
I want to know what they mean by presumed remains, I thought for sure they would be vaporized when the implosion happened. Like, is this a bone fragment or something? Surely there’s nothing identifiably human right?
- Probably not a lot of examples of a composite pressure vessels imploding with humans inside, so even the expert speculation may be flawed for some unknown reason.
- It meat that has gone through a hull implosion.
  
  It could be human, it could be half a can of Spam... Would be hard to tell the difference without a DNA test.
  
  It meat
  
  Resisting the urge to post the expected comment here.
- That's been my thought as well. What, exactly, would there be? Are we talking about a whole human body? A fragment like a torso, leg, arm, etc.? My understanding was also that the occupants were vaporized during the implosion.
  
  It's the ocean depths, not the surface of the sun.
  
  Gas is compressible. So if you stepped into the water without any protection at extreme depth, every gas-containing part of your body would be crushed. That includes your nose, mouth, ears, throat, lungs, bowels, and most of the bones of your face.
  
  Liquids are not very compressible. So the liquid parts of your body, like your eyes, brains, blood, and limbs, would not be affected very much. Maybe they would shrink almost imperceptibly. The same is true of the bones not in your face.
  
  The final result would be a an oddly-smushed looking corpse, not a cloud of vapor.
  
  Incidentally, this is why deep sea divers can swim at depth. They breathe very high pressure gas into their gas-containing parts, which thus remain inflated despite the pressure of the water.
  
  Bone splinters embedded in something, is all I can imagine staying recognizable.
This may be the most wild of all, damn

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