Furry Chat @yiffit.net Tahssi @yiffit.net 2y ago

Lemmy.ml has defederated from us

I got a report on one of my posts, It was for the mods of lemmy.ml letting them know that porn was popping up on .ml. I went and checked lemmy.ml's instances and we are now in the blocked list. I know they had a number of large communities so this is just a heads up to everyone who may have been subbed to any.

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The same happened with feddit.de way in the beginning.

On the flip side I hope this helps the lemmy devs see why it would be useful to have better content filtering options for users and instance admins. Blocking us outright hurts federation as a whole. I'll reach out to them in a few days.
- I hope it does too, I hope reaching out to them goes well! Also sorry about things getting a little heated in this thread earlier.
Honestly probably not that surprising considering they seem to be very anti-porn and I think are the only major instance to actually block you from looking at NSFW content (which makes me wonder how porn got there in the first place, did someone forget to tag something?).

For better or worse, I'm kind of glad that lemmy.world emerged as the big superinstance rather than lemmy.ml, they seem to be a bit more generalist.
So, in a comment that is now lost to time, I mentioned frustration at Lemmy not having an instance block feature.

Decided to check, and it looks like it's actively being worked on https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3869 .

Doubt it'll help with defederation (since we are mostly a porn instance after all), but would be good for the common yiff fearing user.
- I messaged Dessalines and proposed a feature to have them block our communities while we could keep getting their content and participating in their communities.
This is what happens when there's still no personal server blocklist. If this is going to keep happening, maybe there needs to be a greater concerted effort on keeping porn instances+communities separate from instances that are used for user accounts and SFW content. Lemmy's strength is still in federation, but when all the general communities are on ~3 servers, stuff like this is still very rough in practice.
- Yea, the ability for individual users to block instances as a whole is really needed to stop this from becoming a thing that just happens frequently. Strength is definitely still in federation and people are going to get annoyed with having to have multiple accounts because their instances keep defederating from each other.
That's a shame; there were quite a few communities on there that I participated in.
This isn't good, but nothing we can do about it...

Just very frustrating we got to many Keyboard Jockey's in control of the big instances willing to go and use the nuclear option.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lemmy is a fantastic Reddit clone, and federation is great for persistence, but it completely lacks nuance in how content is delivered. Defederation is only going to further fragment the platform. No one is going to be totally happy with it until the onus is primarily on the individual, rather than the community or instance.

As a user, I want choice. Give me settings. Give me more control. Then if I see something I don't like, or something I'd rather change, that's on me. That sounds much better than hoping and waiting for a level-headed admin to figure it out for me, or making yet another account when they get it wrong.

We'll never get anywhere if all the admins are afraid of getting on everyone else's "bad side" for content they can barely control themselves.
OH WTF
Of course you were. I don't want to see you on my "all" feed and I bet the overwhelming majority don't.
- I know I shouldn't engage, but you are right. Not everyone wants to see furry porn on their all feed. And as a moderator of a porn community I'd like to have the ability to say "you know what, I'd rather posts be unlisted and not appear in the all feed". Maybe even if I were running my own instance I could block some of the more riskier communities.
  
  But none of these tools exist yet, unlisted posts and per-user instance wide blocklists would be really nice features. If you don't like this sort of content, you could just mute yiffit.net and go on with your life.
  
  There are two established major porn lemmy instances, both of which are blocked by lemmy.ml. If they saw this as a problem IMO they should implement instance blocking as a priority. But they haven't, and decided that blocking access to people is the better option. The situation is getting super frustrating at this point.
  
  Engaging is fine. They are right about a lot of people not wanting to see furry porn on All. its the hostility of how they started that irked me. I would have been more than happy to have a conversation with them about it.
  
  Also as someone who moderates a few communities here as well I agree with a lot of what you said.
  
  You're fine to engage, even if I responded negatively, I'm just an asshole on the Internet like everyone else, besides; everything you said was right on the money.
- I'm not a yiffit user, but I do frequently browse all, and considering the mounds of straight-up spam emanating from kbin and the nonstop dogshit takes from lemmy.world and that new horrible "based" instance, the content from here is not even a blip on my radar. All I've seen is a lot of vanilla sfw furry art (well done, I must admit) and maybe an occasional NSFW post that's marked and blurred.
  
  I don't think you speak for most of us, and definitely not me.
  
  Some people act like it's their first day on the internet. I'm not a yiffit user either and I don't even think I've seen anything that shocking from here tbh, maybe I'm just jaded.
- You know what else is on the "all" feed that I don't want to see? Almost everything. Browsing "all" and complaining about the content is very silly.
  
  I seriously don't get it haha. Like you're browsing all, you're gonna see something you don't like. Block it and move on. No one in that community cares that you don't like it so why comment. That is the second person I've had this "discussion" with here recently.
  
  I mean, annoying or even spammy posts are far different from degenerate porn showing up directly in your feed, lol.
- If you don't want to see shit you don't like, maybe don't turn the firehose on in your face. 🤷
- Hey bud, this was a post to let people on this instance know about it. Not a complaint or anything to anyone else. You don't need to be here and no one cares. Just block the communities and move on.
  
  Already did.
- I agree, many users use "All" because Lemmy can be a bit slow and we're looking for more new communities to subscribe to. However, I have NSFW blurred on Sync for Lemmy.
  
  In fact I use All and sort by New.

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