'Yikes': Shock as new poll shows Dems with 'largest lead for either party' since 2018
'Yikes': Shock as new poll shows Dems with 'largest lead for either party' since 2018
Which is exactly why the nazis in charge are already undermining elections and have been for years. Building up deniability in the minds of their racist voters to make it easier to control the results if not throw them out entirely.
Don’t worry, the Democratic establishment will figure out a way to quickly fuck this up before the midterm elections.
I’m sure they will choose a panel of milquetoast corporate centrist neo-liberal fuck wads for the people to choose from and again blame it on voter apathy. add a little corporate campaign, finance rule, bending to funnel the most amount of money towards their desired candidate and you have the classic recipe for “ Why do Democrats always lose elections?”
It is so much easier and so much more profitable to be the minority party of opposition to evil. You don't need exciting new ideas, just exciting "back to normal" ideas. ...and even "normal" can be made progressively shittier every cycle.
The rich and powerful can handpick their favorite candidates, negotiate a few table scraps in the direction of normal that they're willing to accept, and call it a win. The campaign industrial complex gets to make a shit load of money.
Most importantly, their ultimate campaign slogan is "Vote for me, or else evil wins." Easy money all around.
Then when nothing good happens during a Democrats's turn, they can blame Democrats and then the Republicans they handpick get to ratchet things back in the rich's direction again.
Or they’ll make some catastrophic legislative or otherwise strategic error on purpose to make sure the Republicans are on even ground. There’s always a Parliamentarian or a “Blue Slip Rule” to help the Democrats steal defeat from the jaws of victory!
So fucking tired of people blaming the "establishment".
The "establishment" didn't give us Trump 2. Short-sighted, immature potential Democratic voters did.
How do you figure?
The establishment literally was Biden not bowing out after his 1st term, as he'd promised.
The establishment was not giving voters a choice in picking a candidate, and rather anointing Kamala Harris.
The establishment was having Harris run one of the worst campaigns in modern history with the largest war-chest (over $1.5B) at her disposal.
The establishment was setting up a candidate to lose, because they don't care about winning; they care about maintaining the status quo.
The establishment is absolutely why we got Trump 2.0. How do you not see that?
Not only did they give us Trump 2, they are trying to give us Trump 3 right now. Mamdani is going to win NY and Democrats are doing everything they can to signal that if Trump invades as he is threatening that they won't have his back.
Notice too how Trump is reacting so much differently to Mamdani than other Democrats. Mamdani scares him. Establishment Democrats don't. Progressives scare him. Left populists scare him. Out of touch corporate Democrats are losers.
Same as the first Trump admin. Dude can't govern, and people will respond to that. Except this time he's ethnically cleansing rather than just doing covid wrong.
Everyone in the US better hope dems can field a candidate through their fucked up primary system that's gonna be young and re-electable. It's gonna take at least 8 years to even slightly unfuck this mess.
8 years… ha ha ha!!! I know you said at least but I'm not sure will ever truly know how much they’ve fucked things up. I’m 55 and I doubt it will be fixed before I die.
And if they don’t put some guardrails with some serious teeth and consequences to fix all of things most politicians generally followed in good faith it’s just gonna happen again. I’m seriously starting to believe the American experiment is over. Late stage capitalism, tribalism, and any appearance of empathy have killed it.
I'm 28 and I doubt it'll be meaningfully fixed before I die. Shit's been beyond fucked basically my entire adult life, and just regular fucked since well before that.
Yeah I agree, we've been truly fucked since Doge. This might be the end of the experiment, but the empire will limp along for a long time, it's just how comfortable it is to sit in the maw for us plebs.
Seems unlikely but goddamn do I hope fukkin so
TBH I don't care about a 2018 lead, I want to see the 1975-1979 lead where the Democrats gain supermajority. I want to see 1894 type of numbers where the overreaching party who implemented tariffs see a 100+ seat loss.
I want every single Republican out of a job.
100+ seat loss isn’t possible in the US. City/Suburban ideology is the polar opposite of the rural one. Our system gives disproportionate voices to people who live in rural areas. Young people today have left their rural communities for the cities because it’s not possible to lead a comfortable working life in rural America anymore. The Carter flip was only possible because the democratic base was diffused across many rural counties; that’s not the case anymore.
A lot of rural folks are getting hurt right now
It literally happened in the exact example I gave. Only 35 seats total are up for reelection in the house but I was being clear about what I wanted.
There is no such thing as city/suburban ideology. Sure, cities and rural areas are different, but if Trump screws them both, they're both capable of voting against him.
Really, though, it says a lot about how shitty the democratic party is that the headline says “since 2018” instead of “since the beginning of time”. Trump is a disgusting, rancorous idiot. Everything about him is vile, from his appearance to his voice to his tiny reptilian brain. The fact that the democrats came in second to this human shitstain strongly suggests that the must have, oh i dunno, badly and repeatedly disappointed the american people.
Maybe they could shit-can their entire leadership and get behind someone like Mamdani. Or just disband and make room for a new party.
How many places besides NYC do you think a candidate like Mamdani can win? And I guess I'm asking for even a single point of data that backs this idea up, vs just a hunch that America secretly wants to get far-left.
We can't wish a revolution into being, what are the first steps to getting there? How do we unite the people, stop fighting the culture wars so we can fight the class war?
I think a large proportion of Americans make hate and cruelty a primary consideration of their voting proclivities. It's less about how bad the Democrats have fucked up and more about how they haven't fucked up enough to get voters.
I remember the poll that had Harris winning Iowa in a landslide that was way off. Polls are shit, just show up and vote
Since the last time they forgot they made the same mistake.
Because for almost a year now the DNC has been taking all the money Hillary/Biden/Kamala stole from state parties, back to the state parties.
Who have been using the funds to work at campaign staffing levels we usually only see for a few months before election.
That outreach is working, and no one should be surprised.
It's just the goal of neoliberlism is a neoliberal president and at most either the House or Senate. If/when they get it all, they have to make up excuses for why they're not doing what they said they'd do.
It's like when an athlete bets their team will win, but not beat the spread...
Sometimes they end up losing the game by trying to keep it close. But their motivation isn't winning games, it's hitting the sweet spot where they get a bunch of unethical money
they’re the ones that have passed campaign finance regulations, though. You don’t see any Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders on the other side
Until Citizens United is overturned and campaign finance is heavily restricted by Congress, another Democrat administration will simply ratchet themselves further to the right and serve the same oligarchs the Republicans do. Very little will change to improve the lives of ordinary people, and once again the Republicans will use that to take full control in the following cycle.
Which is why CU has never been addressed
Until Citizens United is overturned and campaign finance is heavily restricted by Congress,
No, the party runs their own primaries and they can regulate them however they want.
The DNC and any state parties can get stricter on PACs, which would get a good candidate to the general. Where they wouldn't be handcuffed by the restrictions in the primary.
You don't know what you're talking about, which wouldn't be a big deal if the misinformation you're spreading wouldn't result in lower voter turnout.
These type of comments remind me how useless progressives are.
In a sane world, Dems should be leading by high double-digits, but alas.
There's another article about 6 in 10 saying the country is seriously off track. It's hard to figure out the voter that says this and then is unsure who to vote for, but somehow that ends up with 8% saying "I don't know".
And they will still manage to fuck it up somehow
I'm reminded of a recent debate about fixing ICE, where someone said "What do you mean, fix them? They're working as intended."
To me, the Democratic party evokes a similar problem: I believe their goal is to maintain between 40-60% popularity. So, the champagne is uncorked at 40, not 50; because they don't care about winning. They just care about people being scared of a loss, and viewing them as a strong-enough alternative to send them massive numbers of donations. If they were below 40, then people might lose hope in them or form an alternative. If they were above 60, then they could stand to cozy up to some corrupt billionaires, get away with some horrible legislative corruption for profit, and stand to drop a few points.
But the key here is, all of this only works because of fear of a far, far worse alternative. I've voted in elections where I had reasonable faith that every candidate on the ballet wanted the best for their constituents, and voted based on policy improvement and experience. As long as one party is so far below the basic standards that a corrupt career politician seems better if he can promise "No secret police", then the Democrats' way of maintaining 40-60 is easy.
So, next time they run a candidate that gets a "failure" of 45% of the vote, remember, they're not your friends and they don't care; they hit their goal. It's still a failure of people that voted for a wolf in wolf's clothing.
While I believe that this is accurate, as a broad stroke and specifically of the DNC itself, any individual democratic politician is not necessarily corrupt and playing a foil. Especially as you get more and more local.
Don't let cynicism prevent you from voting for a local candidate for mayor or city council, for example. It'll take time to see if Mamdani is what he claims to be, but it's not unreasonable for someone who is mad at the current situation to run for office with a real intent to improve things.
The way we fix things is by getting the local orgs to throw their weight around. Those precinct orgs get votes in the district and district vote in state and state vote nationally. If you're mad right now or were mad in 2020, then get involved. Find your local democratic organization and become the change. Under our Representative Democracy, we don't always directly elect our leadership, but we do get to elect the people that elect the people that elect the people... Gotta start at the bottom and ensure that first step has our values in mind. Right now, too many people only get involved every 2-4 years and are mad at the results.
"President" and "Senator" are important titles, but so is "County Chair". Doing this and pushing the Democratic party further left will be more effective than sending a protest vote for a third party every 4 years, but you can do both.
Schumer and Jeffries are doing a very, very lame and cringe dance around their office right now, as dreams of status-quo and elderly, out-of-touch representatives preserving wealth inequality dance in their heads.
"This means we can run Harris again, right?"
"Of course, and we will make Liz Cheney her running mate this time around, it's assured to succeed, it checks all the boxes, diversity! bipartisanship! Women in power! The people will love it!"
They’ll use it as a sign from Israel that we don’t need a primary and they’ll throw Kamala at us again. I swear to god I will vote for JD if they don’t have a primary again.
Yeah, such a great plan. Hope that works out for ya next time round.
Sounds smart and reasonable. Worked out great last time.
Next headline, in November: "Unexpected last-minute swing to GOP."
And the obvious conclusion will never be drawn.
Don’t worry. MAGA will figure out a way to cancel future elections.
Is there any reason to trust these polls? I feel like they've been wrong since 2016
The problem with 2016 was that the polls accurately predicted who would win the popular vote, because that's what they measure. The 270toWin poll based outcome showed Trump's chance of victory LINK HERE, and so did 538 which is no longer available as it was purchased by ABC News and taken offline.
Trump's loss in 2020 and victory again in 2024 were also predicted by both aggregate polls and online betting platforms.
The problem with poll inaccuracy is solved by two methods: increased sample size and giving priority based on perceived bias (gaining back points for having clear and accurate data available to the public).
Maybe?
I don't have the time or energy to dive into the methodology to figure out if any poll is conducted scientifically. What I do know is that it's way easier to build a bad poll, and easier still to hit the bricks and generate heaps of bad data.
What I really wish these would ask are things like: "if you had the only vote and could write-in anyone that is eligable, even if they're not on the ballot, who would you choose?"... or: "Who is your favorite person in politics right now?" Disregarding of all the nonsense answers, you'd probably find out a lot more about hearts and minds versus whatever controlled choices major parties are propping up.
I think 2016 proved that we should actively ignore them and not get complacent based on poll numbers.
Since only 2016?
So Shittler will say elections are stolen and illegal when the midterms roll around and maga gets tossed to the curb? And then what?
Democratic Leadership: Hold my beer
"Generic Democrat" always does better in polls than any "Actual Democrat". Dem voters conduct annoying purity tests on most candidates and love to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in order to feel good about themselves.
Anyone who uses the phrase "purity test" has completely failed to grasp the situation. It has nothing to do with purity tests, and the phrase is itself a cultural smear used by establishment Democrats against progressives.
There is no minor nitpicking going on of one issue here or there. There is a gaping divide in the party between the corporate establishment and the vast majority of the Democratic base.
I have found a lot of people unnecessarily internalize propaganda. Purity tests, wokeness, white knighting, bleeding heart, etc are all terms that are meant to disparage people. Unfortunately, because of the ubiquitous nature of these words and phrases the people who they are meant to disparage adopt these terms themselves to their detriment.
I personally don't think people should use these terms at all as they just give credence to those who use them to discredit people who are actually doing their best to make things right. These terms are beyond cynical and are actually very misanthropic in nature.
Dumbshit Democrat voters need to be reminded how horrible Trump is. Can't remember just four fucking years ago.
The Democratic establishment has still failed to line up and support Mamdani in NY, so there isn't going to be much patience on the left for hearing about what Democratic "voters" don't get. The voters aren't the source of the problem.
Yes lmao, but also democrat leaders need to be better at messaging then just "at least were not Trump." Trump is a populist leader, the only one speaking for the far right and democrats are just ... centre right. Clearly going left moderate like Mamdani is the way to get the votes.
Trump is psychotic right-wing pedophile convicted felon. WHAT FUCKING MESSAGE DO YOU NEED? 10 million more voted for Biden. In four years, the "establishment" drove them to not vote? Give me a break. A bunch of shortsighted immature idiots fucked this country over by refusing to do the right thing.
Whatever policy they used to justify sitting out in 2024 is NOT being further by Trump.
Clearly going left moderate like Mamdani is the way to get the votes.
Dems didn't win in Virginia by moving further left. Obviously, different areas have different concerns and require individualized approaches.
They will take that lead and intentionally fuck it up again.
cool just let the fascists carry on then
Let's see how the DNC snatches victory from the jaws of defeat this time.
Did you mean defeat from the jaws of victory?
Fuck yes.... posted way too early haha
Maybe, just maybe, they're so incompetent that they get the phrase wrong and accidentally win?
We'll see, it's still ages until the midterms. Let's first assume there will be midterms.
Thats a very dodgy assumption.
Why clog up .world's front page with tabloids like rawstory and dailybeast? They just repost stuff with an angry headline and Twitter links. Why not link the original source?
Here it is, for reference:
But I've brought this up many times. Mods and posters don't seem to care.
...Eh. I'm blocking this community.
I like most posts, but I'm sick of seeing tabloid outrage on the front page every day, like Reddit.
Pools doesn’t matter if people don’t go and vote
pools always matter! You can cool down, get some exercise, maybe even play some Marco Polo.
You can win money at the office, maybe play some billiards
The Republicans can’t be trounced, because they control the active implementation of the oligarchs plans. They either directly implement them if in power, or they signal those directives to the Democrats, who continue to implement the same plans, but in a passive way. They work in concert in this manner, but they must be continually seen to be in a legitimate contest for the ploy to work.
there’s the targeted message of the month
2018 wasn't a fucking banner year. PANIC AS DEMOCRATS AREN'T HATED ACROSS THE BOARD wouldn't be quite the headline I guess.
The Dems have done absolutely fuck-all to resist Trump, and damn near everything short of murder to resist Mamdani, and yet their lead grows and grows.
As it turns out, boycotting Kamala in 2024 and surrendering the whole country to fascism did jack shit to move the party left. Just like 2016.
Almost as if the only way to get progressive dems in office isn't surrendering to Republicans in November, but voting for progressives in the primary.
Too bad the 2026 and 2028 elections will be entirely compromised by Trump and it'll never matter again anyway.
You are acting like this was a plan. It wasnt a plan. It was a natural consequence of what happens when everyone is corrupt. Youre basically saying "vote for A, because it will be worse with B". And no one votes for that. NO ONE! You cant shame people who didnt vote into voting. But you know what you can do? You can stop voting for prick in the Dems who 100% are corrupt as fuck, just because they are dems.
The party will only listen, once YOU and all those like YOU stop voting them in to power. The likes of Nancy fucking Pelosi, who suckering you all over 38 years. Feinstein, over 32 years. Schumer, over 26 years. The list goes on and on. Corrupt people, who put party and donor interests before the people. And you all keep voting them in.
You want things to change? Thats how you do it. Let them know that no one is safe.
Sorry guys, it’s nice that you wanna vote this time but you Did not last time and that was the end of it. It’s every single time you fuckers
The US is a one party state .... with two different divisions of the party alternating leadership
There are only two political options in the US ... stupidity or even more stupidity
If you don’t see the difference between the two parties, you’ve been blinded
The liberals dont like being reminded they are fascist along with their red counterparts
Dems : maybe we shouldn’t wreck healthcare anymore than it already is?
Republicans : WE WILL LITERALLY SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND STARVE YOU TO DEATH TO PROTECT A CHILD RAPIST AND SAVE BILLIONAIRES A COUPLE MIL ON TAXES!
You : These guys are basically the same, right?
The only Congresional poll that matters is the one next November, and Republicans are doing everything they can to make sure that they can still control Congress, even if the Majority of voters don't want them to.
Not true at all. Every well-conducted and reliable poll matters, because it determines where campaign money will be spent, where volunteers will be directed, what stops candidates make, and what issues to press on and which to pivot back to stump on.
Pretty dumb myopic take you have there, actually.
No, I think it's the only correct take. Otherwise people get complacent. I don't give a shit if the Democrats' margin is large, it needs to be larger next November to counteract Republican ratfuckery. If Democrats are not ignoring this poll and managing this as if they are really 8 points down, they've already lost.
You might be right, but you could be less annoying about it.
Polls influence voting (people are more likely to vote for a perceived winner). And polls are easier to cook than elections.
None of that matters when they rig the results.
Pretty dumb and naive take YOU have here, actually