Food is not a human right
As millions of Americans are about to go hungry due to the US government refusing to fund SNAP, just remember that only two countries voted against making food a basic human right. The US and the terrorist colony of Israel
The US and Israel voted against?! I am shocked, SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked.
food deficiency is useful in producing conservative voting blocs for both countries. hungry people are an angry people,
Or just useful for eradicating a specific ethnic group…
to people saying the resolution is useless theatrics and just symbolic. then if there were no consequences, why the fuck would the US and Israel vote against it?
Because they're assholes on principle.
These resolutions are toothless without the materials and logistics to implement them. Food should be a right and it's an easy thing to vocally support (unless you're manufacturing a famine in Gaza).
But how do you relieve the famine in Sudan if you're unwilling to export agricultural surplus at below market rates from Southern Europe? How do you meet global human demand for fresh produce if you're dedicating enormous qualities of arable land to high profit, low yield livestock? These generic statements of principle don't actually change how and why food is distributed.
And those are just the "capitalism bad" dumb lefty critiques.
What about in a war zone? Should we be feeding Russians occupying Ukraine? What about Israel settlers in the West Bank or Han Chinese in Xinjiang and Tibet or illegal Hamas ISIS Haitian Cartel MS-13 terrorists attacking people's dogs in Cleveland, Ohio?
Shouldn't we be killing these people instead?
Should we be feeding Russians occupying Ukraine?
they should have their own logistics, and if surrendered/captured then yes, 100% we should feed them
What about Israel settlers in the West Bank
Illegal settlers likely already get plenty of assistance and welfare. But if there was justice, they would be captured as invaders and deported back to Israel borders, and fed during custody
Han Chinese in Xinjiang and Tibet or illegal Hamas ISIS Haitian Cartel MS-13 terrorists attacking people’s dogs in Cleveland, Ohio?
I lost track, but if captured, then yes, otherwise as long as you aren't actively blocking food from entering (a literal war crime) then it is acceptable.
I just want to point out that Nov of 2021 was under Biden's watch.
Both sides, I guess. One side wasn't that great, and the other is setting everything on fire. Seems about equal. 😜
More like: "if the one side wasn't consistently shitty (even if not as shitty as the other side), they might find more success in winning elections."
It's like they push the fucking envelope on how much bullshit we'll put up with and still vote for them. And unfortunately for all of us, they lost that bet in 2024.
It was Linda Thomas-Greenfield, appointed by Biden
wasn't that great
You people will never not be funny. Great to whom? People in Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria?
Just say you fuckwits only care about yourselves and try some introspection next time to think how it got to a point you have to choose between the lesser "evil".
You wanted less evil for yourselves, not anyone else.
Whataboutism
And typical Democrat fashion they used a black woman to do their dirty work, to cast their vote against it being a basic human right.
How many branches of the US government were under Republican control though?
Irrelevant. Who appoints the US ambassador to the UN?
how many branches of the US government were under Democrat control for how long and at what points but we still got no living wages, universal healthcare, police reform, clean environment, etcetera
Democrats have held a majority in Congress at various times, with notable periods including the long stretch from 1955 to 1995 in the House and from 1933 to 1953, the control of both chambers after the 2006 elections, and a brief, two-week majority in the Senate in 2001. The party's largest majority was in the 75th Congress (1937–1938).
House of Representatives
1955–1995: Democrats held a majority in the House for 40 years.
1937–1938: The 75th Congress saw the largest Democratic majority in the House.
2006: Democrats gained a majority in the House following the midterm elections.
2018: Democrats won a majority in the House again in the November 2018 midterm elections.
Senate
1893–1895: The 53rd Congress had a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate.
2001: Democrats held a majority for a short period from January 3 to January 20, 2001, due to the deciding vote of Vice President Al Gore.
2006: Democrats regained control of the Senate after the midterm elections.
2008: Democrats increased their majority in the Senate, and after the 2008 election, they briefly held a filibuster-proof majority (60–40).
Other significant periods
1933–1953: This period is known as the New Deal Democratic Era and saw the party dominate federal government.
1964: Following the election, Democrats had their largest plurality in history, leading to a Democratic majority in Congress and the 89th Congress.
2009: Democrats achieved a "trifecta" (control of the House, Senate, and presidency) after the 2008 election.
democrats suck too quit trying to be an uncle tom defending
both parties suck and should be fucking obvious they are not going to shit for us no matter how many times vote straight ticket democrat or republican
forty fucking years was that not enough or did republicans fuck that up too somehow or the other voters democrats are always blaming or was the third parties again
make it make sense
I fucking hate USA and Israel
Ironic countries to currently be the most like Nazi Germany, but here we are.
Eh, its just earth. Bunch of assholes running things here thats for sure.
Reminder to not take "infographics" as fact until you look at the source. Which this post doesn't provide.
It wasn't in November, but December, with 186 in favor, 2 not in favor, and 5 non-voters.
So 1 month difference and missing 6 yes?
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1 month difference, 1 year difference, 6 missed votes, 60 missed votes, Either the information is correct, or it isn't. There's no excuse to have incorrect dates and votes when the information is available to everyone.
The reason for the difference is because OP didn't bother to look into any of it. He probably just heard from someone that USA and Israel voted No on this topic, and that was enough, the rest didn't matter to him.
So, this is why you should be cautions
Thank you!!
That's why I usually just downvote info graphics to be on the safe side.
The US and Israel, who would have thought?
Hey that looks like this map!
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On a practical level, what would it mean to make food a human right?
Water is a human right, and there is a somewhat vague statement that, if you have access to a tap and someone asks you for drinking water you have to give it. Already the applications are confusing, since most local laws impose such burden only on public spaces (with varying definitions of public spaces).
For food, what would that mean? How could that ever be implemented? Or is the vibe good enough?
to my knowledge it obligates governments to provide food to people who can't get food for reasons outside of their control such as prisoners, prisoners of war, and victims of natural disasters
Thanks for the clarification
In most countries, if your rights are violated, you can sue the one violating them and get them restored.
If food is a right and you can't get food, then you should be able to sue the government to give you food. After the first won case, further similar cases would be handled by precedent, thus kind of necessiting the government to create a system to get food to people.
Point of clarification. This is only in common law countries, which are the minority. In most of the world, it's code law that prevails and precedent means little or nothing. If it is a law, it is fulfilled, no matter what previous judges thought.
For water being a right, it also means the corporations and government can't restrict you from accessing water. For example in most places you are allowed to access beach front or lake front property to get to the water. Some landlords and people complain in various situations but they legally have to have public access to a water body. I imagine for food, since corporations and landowners have occupied land or have land titles that would preclude you from growing your own, so somebody has to provide it if you can't access land to make it.
Water is a human right, and there is a somewhat vague statement that, if you have access to a tap and someone asks you for drinking water you have to give it.
At least here in the US, there's a fair bit of public infrastructure around water being a human right. Every establishment you walk into likely has a publicly-accessible fountain.
I imagine something similar would have to happen around food, and I don't think it would be that hard in practice. All we'd have to do is make it illegal for food vendors to trash edible food at the end of the day, but it'll never ever happen. We care more about the civic religion of capitalism than we do about people being able to eat.
It wouldn't make a difference, it's just moralist masturbation to put it bluntly. Declaring something as a human right doesn't magically open up a portal where we can take an infinite amount of "human right" goods, especially not under capitalism where water, food and everything else produced and extracted are commodities to be produced for profit
"the terrorist colony of Israel"
I like you.
Tip: to find the other one, zoom in on the middle east
Or make an educated guess - you'll be totally right.
It's antisemitic to tell the truth about IsraHell.
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(in the UN) the US is Israel's removed, the US ALWAYS votes the same way as Israel tells them to nomatter how much it hurts Americans.
the US is Israel’s removed
Billionaires in both countries are profiting handsomely off the genocide
You have the relationship backwards, Israel is a vassel state of the US, the ruling class in the US uses Israel to reduce stability among Arab states and profits from their colonialism. Israel wouldn't function without the backing of the US. It's a classic trope that the global Jewish elite is pushing the US around, but every action Israel takes is overseen by US officials and military and is supplied primarily by US weaponry. They may act independently and against the interests of the US at times but that doesn't change the overal dynamic.
Ehhhh it's very much a too way relationship. If the US was firmly in control Trump could have just forced Bibi into peace to get his day 1 end the war promise.
BS
How did you manage to twist yourself into making the nazi propaganda your view of Israeli-U.S. relations?
"Israel is the great ruler of the world"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Jewish_conspiracy
what about hamburger helper tho
Fucking Israel and his lackey.
Food is a human right, as declared in the UN Declaration of Human Rights.
It's a human right, that's why it doesn't apply to production units.
UN link here: https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3951462
UN isn't worth shit. Like they'd ever enforce anything
Friendly reminder that the purpose of the UN isn't to be the world police. Its a forum for countries to do diplomacy out in the open, to which it actually works really well.
Thanks for that. I thought the UN had a police force of some kind. Maybe I'm just thinking of those people while would deliver aid to war torn areas.
I wonder what the dronies will say about this one.
What would happen if food became a "human right"? How does that work? Is it all about SNAP? In the us at least?
Food is a human right. The UN declared so in the Declaration of Human Rights like 40 years ago.
What does it mean? Lots of oppressive countries commit war crimes and crimes against humanity and violate human rights.
Countries are sovereign. Other countries can choose to issue sanctions or declare war against countries who commit such atrocities
Maybe then one can't blow up food as it arrives for starving people.
I imagine lots of these discussions are largely symbolic, in the sense that they provide an expression of the country's will. It is then a lot of effort to make actual laws out of that intention; but the intention is still foundational to all and any laws. That's why it's relevant anyways.
The un is more useless than arbys.
Israel is our greatest ally and only democracy in the Middle East, despite our continued and valiant efforts to build more democracies in the Middle East. Which is definitely not an admission of failure, no, it simply means we need to purchase more weapons with Livepay and keep on truckin'.
Citizen, stop your whining and get back to the lithium mines, Elon needs a new battery for the Cybertruck II.
Right in the CVD...
Always about the humans. What about the nonhuman animals? Animal rights? And why are we breeding so many of them to farm and feeding them all the food we can eat when we dont even have enough to feed everyone? Whenever someone promotes "lets fix food insecurity" or "lets avoid climate change", I support it because inevitably if people actually cared enough about it and took those values to their logical conclusion and werent just virtue signaling hypocrites, theyd go vegan and promote plant based living.
we dont even have enough to feed everyone
Not true. We currently produce around 1.5x the amount of food necessary to feed every person on the planet a 2500 calorie a day diet. The issue is, and always has been, logistics.
Logistics and desire. Food gets thrown away into locked dumpsters and crops rot in warehouses because someone couldn’t make a buck on it. The cruelty is the point.
You're technically correct, and that is what I meant, which should be pretty clearly inferred by me saying that we are growing so much food to feed to other animals when we "don't have enough to feed everyone". I meant we don't have enough food AVAILABLE to feed everyone BECAUSE (among other factors such as overconsumption) we are feeding so much to other animals. I didn't say we aren't producing enough to begin with, we are, obviously since we are feeding 80 billion land animals a year.
So I agree the issue is somewhat related to logistics/distribution, but you have to look at the logistics and distribution that happens WITHIN the means of production as well, or rather resource allocation, since we are allocating/distributing so much of the food we make to feed other animals (who don't even need to be mass bred/exploited/killed) rather than feeding the world's hungry humans, and the other animals that exist if they need our help to eat.
With a plant-based system we can feed many more humans, I am reflecting actual scientific consensus, whereas you are reflecting societal knee jerk reactions to the suggestion that there's a critical change we can make as individuals to help animals and the planet and ourselves. As usual, the majority are on the wrong side of history to begin, until they aren't. And yes, it is an insane moral atrocity we are doing to animals as well, but I am deliberately not talking about that because I am talking about completely objective science and just showing how people who claim to care about the environment or food security but still support animal agriculture are complete hypocrites.
When you buy an animal burger, you are effectively taking away the possibility of healthy nutritious plant based food from starving children. So many calories wasted.
Mahatma Gandhi:
“The earth provides enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed.” “To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being.”
In Frances Moore Lappé’s 1971 book Diet for a Small Planet, she wrote that eating animals is “like driving a Cadillac” in terms of waste — a metaphor later rephrased by activists as “eating a hamburger is like stealing bread from the world’s hungry.”
The downvotes should show you just how lost humanity is right now. "I care about food security and climate change and animal cruelty waa waa but i dont want to take any personal responsibility for it or change anything about myself because i like meat/dairy/eggs waa waa"
At the risk of getting banned, when I only saw one country in red and “2” in the summary l knew exactly where on the map I needed to zoom to find the second
I had the exact same thought. If you could really be banned for saying that ISRAEL is a scourge on the planet earth for starving an entire population of innocent people, I’d rather not be on .world anyway.
it really is impressive (and terrifying, if i'm being honest) just how...extensive and all encompassing this Israeli/AIPAC propaganda is.
like...it's so bad that I don't even feel comfortable thinking on it too much, because what if I'm falling into some antisemitic rabbithole that blames the jews for everything? the start of some alt-right pipeline?
but then it's undeniable, that there is a concerted effort to suppress any and all information about israel's atrocities across the western world, with plenty of jews in positions of power essentially sanctioning it.
Considering the biblical law laid out charity as a rule (don't harvest the edges of your field, allow the poor etc. to eat from it)
Some communities have weird stances on where they draw the line. To some extent, I have sympathy, because it can be quite easy for a discussion to devolve into shit slinging that involves surprise Zionists popping up, and often legitimate antisemitism ends up appearing if mods aren't able to stay on top of things (by "legitimate antisemitism", I mostly mean stuff that indirectly conflates Israel with Jewish people by using antisemitic rhetoric to attack Israel). Some communities may have fewer mods, or a culture that leads to discussions becoming toxic sooner.
This community is a good counter example to the culture problem. There's been a lot of harshly worded comments against Israel in this thread (reasonably so), but I haven't seen anything that falls into the trap I describe above, but that's no doubt a credit both to the culture of this place, and the efforts of the mods here
Afaiu having a brain and stating facts are only bannable offenses over at that Reddit shithole.
Nevertheless I wish you luck 😅
.world is the r*ddit of Lemmy tho
I was wondering for a moment, saw this comment. Ohhhh, yes of course.
I didn't realize how small Israel was until now! Your comment definitely helped me find it though.
If im gonna call Israel a terrorist colony theres no fear of getting banned by me
we are thankfully not on reddit. you can hate zionism in peace without getting banned.
But this is .world, where key super mods have removed people calling out the US/Israel several times.
Sir, this is a lemmy
Lmao same
This preface is bullshit. Perfect "I am not a racist, but" energy.
Huge miss. I wasn’t saying it as a form of defence, I was saying it as a sideswipe at people like you who wilfully interpret criticism of a country’s actions as bigotry.