Don't fix the problem just change the parameters
Don't fix the problem just change the parameters
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I feel like I'm going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks, how it needs too much understanding of maths, how it takes too long,...
Can someone please confirm: you just look, for a fraction of a second, at the clock face and know the time, right?
Learning to read the clock was like... A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.
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I can confirm. You are not insane.
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I am in the transition age range of people who have trouble reading analog clocks and I must admit I had trouble with it until I started wearing a watch as an accessory as a teenager. The issue isn't that it's hard, it's just something that you need practice at to do quickly and a lot of young people just don't look at analog clocks to tell time very often. It's not a matter of being stupid or not being taught how to do it, it's like mental "muscle memory" that just isn't built up in a world where digital clocks are everywhere, including in your pocket 24/7
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Watches were pretty ubiquitous before the smart phone was popularized. Though, digital watches were common since the '80s, so I'm not sure how much that really figures in. There is some truth, though, in needing to regularly do it to keep the skill.
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To be fair if you are never exposed to it (and judging by the comments that seems to have happened in the US) you can't tell the time by "just looking at it". But analog clocks are objectively simpler to teach to children (let's say three to eight years old).
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I don’t know, I’ve never particularly liked analogue clocks. I don’t think I ever thought of them as difficult to read, but it’s far superior to look at an exact number like digital usually features.
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Disagree - it rarely matters to me if it's 13:24:56 or 13:25:05, but I do find the instant and intuitive gauging of time deltas super useful (as in, how long it's going to be to the full hour / to quarter past / ... ). Not saying you can't get that info from a digital clock as well, of course you can; but the physicality of analog clocks lends a good bit of intuition to this, I feel.
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Throughout middle school and high school, my bedroom clock was one of these, just the mechanism, no face, no numbers, hanging off the edge of a shelf. I had no trouble reading it. I still can easily read an analog clock with no numbers or any face marks.
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Congratulations! ⭐
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Clock reading was covered in kindergarten and cursive writing taught in 1st grade. These were some of the first wrinkles pushed into our little growing brains in the early 80s by school. That these things are no longer being taught so early explains why so many people are willing to immediately accept the Google AI overview as gospel and are wearing Crocs everywhere they go.
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FWIW, I went to school in mid-2000. My sibling even later. They still taught it back then, and at least here, I am pretty sure they still do. (And why would they not, after all...)
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and are wearing Crocs everywhere they go.
Oooh, that's harsh.
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Learning to read the clock was like… A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.
Yes, this meme is pretty obviously fake.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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Not exactly responding to you, but wanted to post somewhere where people would see it (hopefully)
We are not removing clocks or the standards, but it is not as important as many other standards in my grade level and 3rd grade. As a joke, I am going to bring a kid to our intervention team who can't tell time as his only academic issue. We will all get a good laugh out of it.
Every 2nd/3rd grade teacher I've worked with believes their students can tell time by the end of the year. This being said, regression is a well known phenomenon in education over breaks, but this is regression is due to analog clocks disappearing in society I assume and devastating to a newly acquired skill. Here are the 2nd grade standards, I would say this and counting money have become completely unsupported at home in my Title 1 school. Most teachers I have ever met care about kids and want them to learn, but there is only so much to do. They spend a lot more time out of school in their childhood than other places. Do the math!
2.OA.A Adding/Subtracting within 100 word problem and representations
2.OA.B Memorizing add/sub facts to 20
2.OA.C Equal groups (building blocks for multiplication)
2.NBT.A Place value (broken into 4 substandards, its kind of really fucking important)
2.NBT.B Place value (broken into 4 more substandards, its kind of really fucking important)
2.MD.A Measure and estimate in metric and standard (broken into 4 substandards, it is kind of really fucking important)
2.MD.B Addition and Subtraction in relation to length
2.MD.C Time to nearest 5 minutes and money 2.MD.D Interpreting graphs
2.G Shapes and Attributes
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Lemmites will never miss an opportunity to make things difficult to draw attention to themselves.
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Yes.
I used to have some complex thinking I was slow at reading time in an analog watch, these days I feel much more confident.
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Understanding the concept is fast. Getting good at sight-reading a clock face actually takes time to get familiar with it. If you only ever really see the clock in school, and You can choose to ignore it for phones or other digital clocks, you're never gonna get good enough at it that you'll be as fast as checking a phone.
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Man I always felt analog clocks are just old age. I felt like that for about 30 years since I was a little kid. Its easier to read digital
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Yeah but the "hard" work of reading an analog clock apparently offends some people. Just more of "feelings" nonsense vs. facts
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How tf are we in 2025 and people are still spouting off as if all humans have the same brain capacity and capability?
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I'm 35. Math major. Work in STEM. Well educated.
I hate analogue clocks. Why use subpar way of reading time if digital is so much better?
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Because it's not! Glad to help you clear that up.
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Same reason you might use 22/7 instead of the exact value of π. If I look at a clock and see it's about ten to 2, it's rare to never that I actually need to know it's 1:53:22.57365785285978520256734567314854372354675466099.
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They are actually a helpful way to show passage of time visually, without abstract math knowledge. For example my son has downsydrome, he could read time from analog and understand passage of time and time left on it, but numbers counting up to 60 was abstract.. Like its 47 minutes past 5 how close to the hour is it getting? No clue unless he wrote it out as a math question and did the subtraction. But for him those were meaningless numbers anyway. 15 was no different than 45 for him. But visual cues of quarter past and quarter to made sense for him
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Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.
I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.
These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.
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Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.
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Yeah I keep an analog clock on the wall because it's a more intuitive way to keep track of how long I've got to get ready to go out. I know where the angle of the minute hand will be when I have to be out the door, so it's quicker to glance it it and know if I gotta pick up the pace or I got plenty of time or whatever.
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Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers?
I have to say, I'm quite fond of my pneumatic hammer. When will my pneumatic silverware become a thing?
I just can't be bothered to expend any energy while I'm eating! It's supposed to give me energy, after all!
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Do you know how to read a sundial?
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Dated does not mean obsolete. But it's hard to deny a digital clock is superior in almost every way.
Unlike the other examples you're giving, I fail to see in what aspect an analog clock beats a digital one. Sure they have a certain charm, but functionally they're just behind their digital counterpart.
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Nah let's ditch the analog clocks and instead teach them sundials. That will really stretch their brains.
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Analog clocks are mechanical imitations of sun dials. Ever wondered why clockwise is the way it is? It's because the sun moved that way (on the historically a bit more dominant northern hemisphere)
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These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.
Don't worry because it's a fake story.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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I remember getting a compliment more then once jn school. I was good t talong what i learned in once class and applying it to another
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As our schools fail they simply change the parameters to cover up their failures
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Ive tried to teach my students (High School) how to read an analog clock. Keep in mind, I dont have time to teach a whole class on it, just a little lesson on how now and then when they ask what time it is. They can read it for the class, but the next day theyve forgotten how completely.
Its not because theyre stupid or lazy. Its because they rarely get practice with it. We know how to read an analog clock because, yes we were taught it in school, but they were everywhere so we essentially had practice with it all the time. These kids see digital clocks 99% of the time. So when do they ever apply their knowledge?
The only students who can read the clock are the handful who have analog watches for fashion reasons because they use it all the time.
Its a matter of practice but in truth these kids dont really have to read an analog clock in the modern world.
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I also wonder: what’s the goal of teaching this? Sure, a cursory lesson is a good idea, but making it a fundamental step seems nonsensical in a world that doesn’t require it at all. It’s like teaching how to sharpen a quill, it’s not needed anymore
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NGL, wind up analog clocks are useful in places where the power goes out often. I have a 7-day grandfather clock and it's been a godsend when northeasters turn into ice storms that take down the power for days..
(Northern New England has wretched winter weather some years)
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It's an easy way to introduce fractions, especially since it's common to hear/say it's a quarter passed 2, half passed 5, and a quarter to 9.
Also teaches multiples, since the numbers on the clock represent multiples of 5.
Helps with directions, clockwise is when the hands spin to the right and counter-clockwise to the left. You'd be amazed how many students can't tell their left from right.
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Of course it's still needed. There still exist analog clocks almost everywhere. (At least in my country)
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As a parent, we made sure to have an analog clock in every room while my kids were growing up, and we made them prove they could read it. Still don’t work. Digital clocks are everywhere else and in many ways more convenient.
Analog clocks are an obsolete decice whose time has passed. I also tried to keep it alive into the next generation but it’s not happening. It’s time to give it up.
Let that be one of our hallmarks as we age: the last generation with analog clocks. I use an analog face on my digital watch, have analog decorative clocks and I’ll accept that my kids believe that old fashioned (they do accept the analog clock face on my old car I gave them though, or maybe don’t know how to change it)
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Its because they rarely get practice with it.
I would argue that a lot of what I learned in school didn't have much opportunity to practice outside of school, but I agree that analog clocks are not a learning priority.
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Most of the things that I was taught that I don't get practice with I do not remember how to do it anymore. Now I do have ADHD so that definitely does not help.
However I will say I do think in some cases learning how to do things you wont necessarily need outside of school can be useful as it can teach you other helpful things subconsciously. There are certain supporting skills that are developed when you learn those things that can be used in other contexts. Are there more effective ways to learn those supporting skills besides teaching things most people likely wont use again? Probably, but I don't really have an answer for what
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I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.
I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.
This is minor, but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do
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I just found out my 10yo has been lagging behind in spelling because he's been using speech-to-text on his school issued iPad for class work. He doesn't have to think about it or try sounding it out, so of course an unpracticed in-development skill is waning. It's going to be an interesting parent-teacher meeting coming up.
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Is it a feature you can disable on the iPad? I never considered that kids would be doing that. My spelling was never great but I just always chalked it up to the way my brain worked. Even when I spent a couple years in college spending most of my free time reading books both to myself and our loud to my partner I still didn't remember how certain words were spelt because I often didn't write them. If I never wrote them as you are saying I imagine it would have been much worse.
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Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do
i am delighted to be able to introduce you to flip clocks.
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I would rather learn how to build an analog clock. In the olden days clock makers were highly respected & incredibly intelligent, it's quite an intellectual & mechanical art & science & craft to build an analog clock.
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I love flip clocks
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Cursive is wayyyy more accessible for lots of people with chronic pain in their arm/hand/wrist. Also helps prevent those conditions for those who have do a lot of hand writing. I dread the day that people will no longer be able to read the least painful way to write or me.
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If I'm honest with myself my handwriting was always shit. If I was writing you a letter you'd be able to read it, but taking notes in college was all but useless for me. The speed at which you would have to write left me unable to find any of it legible so I was able to take in more information by just sitting down and listening/watching instead of scrambling to figure out what they were talking about now after I wrote down whatever I thought was important prior to that. Professors write fast because they do it all the time, and the amount of time it would take me to read then write what they wrote would overlap the time they spent over the next 15 seconds telling you why it was important. If I wrote down why it's important I'm behind on the next bit of information and scrambling. When a professor posted their notes online so I could review it that way it was so much easier for me. (Makes note taking way easier)
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We should make everyone mad. Don't teach them to read analog clocks. Teach them to read digital clocks and sundials.
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It is minor but part of a bigger problem. Show them a globe and ask them to point our where Austria is and then ask them where Australia is. Most couldn't do it. And many wouldn't even know the difference
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It's extremely minor because it's extremely fake.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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Learning how to write with a pen is a waste of time..?
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Snopes article about this from 2018 stating it’s mostly false.
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Its becoming a reality though. I work in a school (primary and secondary) and the exams officer is putting digital clocks only in the exam rooms for that reason.
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Students not being able to read an analogue clock being a reason may seem silly, but being able to read one shouldn't be a requirement to be able to do well in exams, especially UK exams where students have enough to deal with already.
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When my friend's daughter was 9 years old and he was complaining how she didn't know how to read an analogue clock.
I mean, I wound up teaching my nephews when they were 4 ... not sure what's stopping him from doing it though.
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Well who would ever disagree with a Snopes article
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Mostly misogynistic right wingers but I don’t know any on this site.
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People who believe memes are real.
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What kind of boomer would believe this nonsense?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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Some ppl who just badly want to be angry.
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I don't really get it. Snopes says "mostly false", but then confirms that the UK made a recommendation to replace analog clock for digital ones because "some students had trouble estimating the remaining time".
While OOP is a shortcut/overgeneralization, it doesn't sound "mostly false" to me.
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This has got to be AI written or cherry picked data. They’re pulling clocks to save a few $ if anything. Old schools used to have synchronized analog systems. I could easily see those things being removed.
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Yes, it's very easy to debunk this nonsense. I'm kind of amazed that nobody but me has googled this.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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Thank you for posting that.
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Really? I never knew any of them were synchronized, that's cool if so. I seem to remember us pulling them off the wall at our schools and changing them twice a year or replacing the batteries. Having them wired with synchronization may be overboard, but it is kind of cool
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Yep. The schools I went to had synchronized analog clocks. They would all “adjust” together if they were off at all. Some kind of clockwork solenoid.
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All my schools had them. Sometimes you'd catch them doing a resync and all the hands would spin around. I think they probably couldn't rotate CCW so had to go around the long way if they needed to roll back a few minutes.
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My highschool was small (graduating class under 50; five small towns combined), and in the 90s, ours were synchronized, just realized I always wondered what they used.
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Could they be synchronised independently? My grandfather in France had a clock that was receiving a radio signal I think from Strasbourg. They've been around for a while. I remember being up late during day light hour change and i would suddenly hear the second hand rush forward. It would stop one whole hour on the switch back. I would use it to adjust my watch. Nowadays I use raw GPS and any mobile phone is synced from the network anyway.
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Every year I taught for the past 30 years I have heard this but I will say that every year I had to go over how to read a clock at the beginning of the year and every time a kid would ask me what time it is I would point at the clock and ask them what time they think it is? At least they left the class knowing how to read a clock even though they were shit at writing essays.
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About thirty years ago I was a teen. I remember talking with a girl only a few years younger than me, and being astounded that she didn’t know how to read an analogue clock.
Exactly as you indicated, this is nothing new.
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my sister (born in the late 1970s) graduated from high school and tech college without being able to tell time on a regular clock.
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It took me until age 15 to become comfortable reading analog clocks and confident knowing which way is left and right.
Hey cut me some slack, left/right gets confusing sometimes because of mirrors & facing people).
But I think learning how to tell time on an analog clock is an important skill because it broadens the mind regarding mechanics & mathematics, thereby developing more synapses in our brains & logic & mental computational skills.
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I'm old af and I still have to think about it
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Once I figured out what hand I write with, it was all easy street from there. I used to tell myself “I write with my right hand”
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I loved when a class would get quiet enough to hear the seconds hand click on the mechanical motor. I lived to see how close it was to the end of minute. One time in class I counted how black dots were on the ceiling. Wow I was bored
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I counted the dots along the x axis, multiplied by the y axis count and took that as an estimate for the tile. Then did the same with the number of tiles across the ceiling. Then multiplied that by the number of classrooms... Same with the floor tiles. There was no end to it.
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It’s only happened twice, but I’ve run into kids who couldn’t read an analog clock. You know what I did?
I taught them. It took, like, 30 seconds. I know it took 30 seconds because I was wearing a goddamn watch.
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Still can't understand how any kid cannot do it. Isn't that something you learn from your parents before you even go to school
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I remember learning in second grade.
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I think I learned how to read a clock in preschool, not from my parents
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.... Unless the parents are idiots as well.
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I've had, and honestly still do have issue with reading it rather than understanding. At least the way I was taught, it just sounds really weird, like 15:40 being "5 minutes till quarter to 4 in the afternoon".
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Probably not -- time isn't that relevant before society puts you on the path towards hourly labor. I learned in elementary, but then I also grew up with digital clocks like most folks under 50.
Edit: apparently we have either a lot of on-the-clock preschoolers or folks who don't know when digital clock radios were invented. Perhaps both. If you cared about the clock time before you were 5 I feel sorry for you.
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I had to check the community to verify I accidentally opened c/fakeconservativememes.
It was a relief when I realized this wasn't c/Lemmy Shitpost.
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Analog clocks are just annoying, I support this change. Also let's change format to 24hr format
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Ironically, I want a 24h analogue clock
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I'm all in on 24hr clocks. I'm a veteran and currently work in healthcare. Use that 24hr times 40+ hours/week.
But, I also like regular clocks. Especially BIG building clocks or old time 4 side post clocks you can still find on some corners of cities & towns around the globe.
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AND PLEASE STOP CHANGING IT EVERY SIX MONTHS!!!!!
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Imagine falling for this boomer rage bait when half the details are obviously and clearly censored.
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One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.
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very few continue to use an abacus. analog clocks will still be around for decades
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No doubt. I wasn't trying to imply that either one is useless, but things change and new technology takes over. Another person replied to me comparing cursive and typing on a computer. I catch myself thinking that new generations are at a disadvantage because they don't learn the same things I did. But it may not always be necessary that they do. I am of the computer typing generation. I didn't learn to write beautiful cursive, but my life hasn't been negatively impacted even though many people have expressed sympathy for my awful education. I was just trying to say I think it's a rather normal thing for old systems to get phased out of a classroom from time to time. It's not really a good reason to believe that younger generations are doomed. But like I said I fall into that line of thinking myself from time to time.
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No need to feel disappointed about fake news.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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Teacher here.
I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.
I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.
Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.
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Are you from the US? I'm completely amazed that there are counties we you are almost never exposed to analog clocks. I'm from Europe and analog clocks are everywhere. Every train station, public buildings, churches, clock towers, homes, wrist watches. Heck we even have tons of (but more because of esthetics instead of serious time keeping) sun dials on walls (which the analog clock and the clock wise direction is based on - for the north hemisphere). Many appliances/devices have digital clocks but that's not because the are more modern/better but because they are way cheaper to produce and have less moving parts.
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Surely this comes from the American, not European point of view, yeah?
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Teacher here.
I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school.
What the actual fuck? Are you not using wrist watches at all at whatever US hole you are a teacher at? Because most of these are analogue.
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I'm 32, I wear an analog clock on my arm every day
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sigh everyone always forgets about slide rules.
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Beat me to it. If only my dad had saves his
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It’s only happened twice, but I’ve run into kids who couldn’t read an analog clock. You know what I did?
I talked to them. It took, like, 30 seconds. I know it took 30 seconds because I was wearing a goddamn watch.
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I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.
Like cursive they are obsolete.
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They still exist and will continue to exist in many contexts indefinitely, such as men's fashion and clock towers, so there it's not like they'll ever be "obsolete" per se. They are also extremely easy to learn, and are a good way to teach concepts like spatial reasoning and gears to kids. I think schools should teach about them for those reasons.
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My thoughts exactly. This just screams "old men afraid of change, thinking everything was better back in the day". The world is changing, things become obsolete because they're replaced by newer, better stuff all the time.
I'm sure people were complaining that kids were getting stupider when they stopped using abascuses, fucking cursive (I specifically remember people being upset about this one), dictionaries in book form, fountain pens, handwritten exams.
It's time for a lot of people to realise that they themselves have become the complaining old farts they always hated as kids.
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My daughter got analog clocks before she could read when she was about three years old. IMHO it's a teaching skill issue. Take a normal wall clock, remove all hands except the hour hand, split the day into segments (brushing teeth, lunch, Kindergarten, etc.) and draw (did that in Gimp) some nice symbols and colors. Done. Explain stuff every time she asks "when" using that wall clock. Let that sink in for a year. Now add the minute hand back in.
Analog clocks are not really "obsolete" if you ask me. Hands on a circle aren't used enough. We have "clocks" (this time inverted - the circle spins and the hand/indicator is fixed) out of cardboards for a week to learn the days of the week, including "activity" symbols for kindergarten, "weekend", "music lesson", etc. a wheel for "day of the month", and one for month of the year also showing seasons.
The total amount of time that was invested in building those was about three or four hours but the value is huge when you have something to point to when she asks anything about time no matter it's about when we go to sleep, birthdays, holidays, etc.
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good point. that's why we have no need to study history since every thing in the past is obsolete
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because a digital clock is not right twice a day
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Maybe you can't see the gap in your education...?
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I doubt they are unable to read an analog clock. Most adults are.
I am not able to read cursive though.
Like I can guess enough of it, but I just don't encounter it enough to remember it.
Like imagine if you hadn't tied a tie in 50 years. Would you still remember how?
Its not a useful skill, and anyone who wants to learn can do so in a few minutes of searching.
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Or between his ears...?
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To the title, that's always been the case.
"no child left behind" turned into "make it easier until everyone passes" Shit isn't new. it's been going on for a long, long ass time.
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Do the blackboards in the US also say "breathe in, breathe out, repeat" so that half the class doesn't just die?
No that's silly, there's no guarantee that they could read that.
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Shit isn't new and it hasn't always been the case.
It's fake.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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I didn't say it was always the case.
This statement just seems like agreement to me.... Idk.
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Your fact check doesn't say it's fake. Even the "mostly false" mentioned in the fact check is a bit of a stretch if you read the "what's true" section.
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What was scribbled out of this screenshot with black lines, and why was it scribbled out?
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The part in the middle is a screenshot of some social media site and the blacked out parts are navigation bread crums, comment counts. The answer below has a blacked out user name, profile picture, etc.
I have no idea why they would remove UI elements from a screenshot.
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Maybe it was the link to Snopes explaining how this is fake?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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Teenagers not being able to tell the time from analogue clocks is CRAZY (saying this as a teenager myself)
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They can't use a slide rule either. What are they teaching in these schools??
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Of course it's crazy but in our current clown world they are not dumb but somehow victims
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Nah, they're definitely dumb in my opinion. My parents and my friends would call me dumb for sure if I couldn't tell time from analogue clocks. And are you sure this doesn't only apply to specific countries?
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Eh, we don't teach them how to read a sundial or make a fire anymore either. I don't see a problem with removing old technology from school instruction.
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"Old technology" like, hammers, spoons and books 🤣 Let's get rid of the wheel. That crap was invented ages ago.
Update: and if you can't read a sun dial - which by the way is just reading the number the freaking shadow points at - the US should seriously consider teaching stuff like that again.
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Such a shame that so few people know how to ride a horse these days. You still see them across the countryside and in many cities, but most people choose not to learn.
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...which by the way is just reading the number the freaking shadow points at...
And how do you read an analog clock? By looking at the number the arm points at. Learning how to read the clock is not just "what number is it on" but it's getting familiar with the clock face so you can read it quickly. It's like the difference between spelling and reading.
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Especially when this is a skill easily teached by parents. But who whants to interact with the humans one put into this world, I need to get this [insert trend item]
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Schools removing books as teenagers cannot read them.
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They are too loud, I had to insist to put the clock down and take the batteries out, since the ticking was too loud.
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Idk in our university lecture halls we had HH:MM.sss digital clocks and it's obviously superior for exams because you can just compare the numbers instead of translating and then comparing the numbers. And I'm pretty sure that's why they were digital, because it's easier to quickly compare.
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If you were used to analog clocks, you'd read the remaining time just off the clock. As you would just read the time off it – no need for any translation or comparison, just one glimpse and you'd know it. For several decades this superiority of analog clocks was a main argument against the use of digital clocks. Digital clocks are more precise, though.
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The point wasn't about which is easier but that many really can't read an analog clock. And that's really sad.
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How did the seconds end up with three digits?
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micro seconds
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He never learned the clock.
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If the yung-uns have no drive to turn back time and actually use and develop their brains, because my gen isn't going to rescue them and the boomers have also fallen into the internet trap. It's on them to save themselves, really.
If these trends keep going the way they are then idiocracy becomes reality.
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Idiocracy won't happen.
The smart people aren't going to prepare a solution. And the planet will probably cook before then anyway.
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We are already there
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Are people really this stupid now?
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No, it's a meme made for older generations to feel superior to the younger generations. I've never met anyone who couldn't read analog (who wasn't very early primary school age).
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Just read comments of some users in this very thread. "Idiocracy" was a documentary after all.
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Yeah they are. Try asking a simple question about geography. OR Remember in the movie Animal House how the Belushi character said that the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Say that today and most people still in school will readily nod in agreement
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Just the people who believe this nonsense.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
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How hard can it actually even be? Nobody taught me how to read an analog clock, I just figured it out myself at age 9 by staring at my parents' analog clock for exactly 5 minutes, while carefully watching the hands move and counting.
When I realized that the second hand ticked 60 times per revolution, and after it had went around 5 times, and the longer of the two slow hands had advanced from the 12 to the 1, then I simply thought to myself "Well I get it now, that's not so hard!"
And yes I correctly extrapolated the correlation between the minute hand and the hour hand too.
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Figuring things out yourself is always hit or miss. Either the specific neurons required for you to understand something fire or they don’t.
Relying children to figure something out for themselves is doubly stupid. Because for that to work, the child must want to learn the thing and then be able to understand it. If reading an analog clock isn’t something you need (and maybe you’re not even around analog clocks), then you won’t learn.
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Next schools will start removing textbooks because students cannot read. They will replace with audio books.
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Father, I cannot click the book!
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People reading this comment might think it's absurd. But sadly it is more than likely true and will happen soon. Why burden students with the hard work of learning - you might hurt their feelings
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This article is old enough to buy cigarettes now.
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No one's asking the real question... Is that background image AI?
Nevermind that this was from 2018.
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Probably because it doesn't look much like AI. At least today. In a few years we probably won't have to ask that question because they would be practically indistinguishable.
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It's definetrly because they don't want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.
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When I was a student, my school had analog clocks that were synced via some electric system.
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My school didn't even have working clocks. :/
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Are we being serious right now bro?! 🤦
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Big Ben will be digital by 2028...
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Why would a tower be digital?
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I was being sarcastic
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Being older (mid fifties) I was taught the analogue clock. My eyes no longer work so well for reading, and an analogue clock face allows you to see the hands and know the time without having to work out where I've left my glasses. On my phone's sleep screen I'm using large high contrast digits so I guess I'm using both styles. Also much easier to visualise time deltas on a clock face.
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Something like 30 years ago analogue clocks seemed to be dominant. Does that mean you lived through childhood and adolescence without reading time?
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Expensive digital watches with glowing led segment displays turned up late 70s, but battery life was shit. I never had one.
By the 90s cheaper digital with LCD screens were everywhere. Battery life was great.
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But the point wasn't about vision but the simple intelligence needed to read an analog clock
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No time for learning, only tests
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"Don't test for Covid, it will only make our numbers increase!" -Donald Trump, 2020.
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Digital clocks are just objectively better. They are easier to read, cheaper, and more accurate. While the reason for swapping out the clocks is bad, the end result is still good.
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they don't make the satisfying tik tik though
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Maybe it's because everyone has a clock in their pocket? One that is accurate and doesn't need batteries changed or altered twice a year
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45 year old here...I'm pretty sure I've never bought an analog clock and I think it would be weird for a school—or any place, really—to have one. I'm not surprised kids don't learn outdated technology and anybody who is mad about it should pick up a slide rule.
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Every school i have been in has them, even last week. Many lesson plans include analog clock stuff because its another way to deal with fractions, and help kids learn analog in case they are in an old building or subway/airport that has analog clocks. It's not quite obsolete yet.
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a slide rule
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Looks like .world is nothing but ableist assholes. From what I understand it's a lot of reddit refugees, so that tracks.
First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.
Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What's missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools' fault. (Not to say that other things aren't...)
Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start...
Eventually, Lexus might stop including the analog clock as a luxury feature.
Kids don’t know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.
I feel that learning cursive is important.
First you learn how to write ordinary letters. That trains your fine motor skills so you can write them reliably (try writing with your non-dominant yourself hand to see).
What cursive teaches you is how to write quickly. Of course, no one will write in pure, perfect cursive. Most people settle for a style somewhere in between. It teaches you the concept of "you can combine letters together to make you write faster" and "here are a bunch of ways to combine them". It's a good thing, Especially if they end up going to college.
Giving them a few more weeks of practice in reading and writing is a great way to avoid them being partially illiterate.
Being "taught" cursive in school was torture, anyway.
I used to troll my teachers with inane questions to help my friends prepare for exams or quizzes that we knew were coming. I can't expect it's changed much.
Support. First reasonable comment in here.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/schools-removing-analog-clocks/
Since smart watches are a thing some schools banned wristwatches during exams because they where not planning to look for the differences
My wrist watches were always digital, public clocks in suburbia I'm just gonna say never existed, in cars wtf?
I can only see this as an education problem.
I am not being funny but if someone is unable to read the time perhaps they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place.
It is like saying that all questions will be read out loud all the time and verbal answers recorded instead of written ones - because some students are illiterate.
Students with dyslexia do get special treatment. There is no reason to discriminate against people lacking an unrelated skill and it's not funny to demand it so we at least agree on something
Honestly if you can't calculate things on an abacus you shouldn't be in the exam room tbh. Sure, calculators have been invented and have ultimately replaced the abacus in nearly every facet of day to day life, but surely you know how to add beads together?
We're letting kids use GPS to get to school now? What the street signs and constellations aren't good enough for you?
Ah, okay, I can't take exams because my dyscalculia makes it difficult for me to read a clock (and it's not worth my time).
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