Choke me harder daddy
Choke me harder daddy
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Especially when he was clearly alive while that religion and its teachings were still actively being demonstrated to be true every day and its adherents were shaping the galaxy.
EDIT: ITT people defending their space wizard fairy tales with Doylian arguments.
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Did he know the emperor was a Sith who had powers, or was he just one of billions or trillions of people who had never actually interacted with anyone who openly used the force?
Sure, later movies made force use way more commonly used within a couple decades of this guy's bold choice, but at the time of the movie's release it was supposed to be an uncommon thing that hadn't even been around for a very long time.
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How long was it though - maybe a couple of decades?
It's more like inside of an authoritarian regime, propaganda is quite strong - e.g. China is the good guy and there are no questions (allowed) about that.
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it was supposed to be an uncommon thing that hadn’t even been around for a very long time.
The Jedi had been around for over 25,000 years before A New Hope. There had to be volumes of evidence for Jedi powers by the time of that film.
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-jedi-order-origin-timeline-canon/
The guy in the meme and Han Solo were just Straw Atheists I'm afraid.
Edit: "For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic, before the dark times. Before the Empire." -Obi Wan in ANH
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I mean, Han Solo did the same. I don't think that Lucas thought that it would really be much more than the three movies, and evidently didn't come up with much lore or backstory. I don't think they ever touched on what happened to Darth Vader and Sidious that put them into power (it's been a few years since I've seen them, could be wrong). Closest thing we got was a mention of the Clone Wars, with about no description of it.
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Lucas didn't even plan for Vader to be Luke's father at the start. Leigh Brackett, the main scriptwriter for ESB, never even knew that (she died of cancer when the script was in the final stages). That's why there's this awkward "certain point of view" discussion with Obi-wan in RotJ to explain away the cave conversation in the first movie; Lucas didn't plan that from the beginning, and he had to patch over a plot hole.
He very much made it up as he went.
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There's very few Doyalist arguments in the replies here. Besides my own argument about how Lucas doesn't plan things out, but that's not exactly complimentary to the narrative.
Watsonian: there are very few Force users in the galaxy. At its height, the Jedi Order is a few million Jedi in a galaxy of trillions of sapient beings. Force users were always more legend than something people saw on the regular. If you ever saw one lightsaber in person, it'd be a day you remember forever. The propaganda job wasn't even that hard. Just pretend they never existed and most people will go on with their lives.
Even as far as Motti is concerned, the Jedi were never that prominent. Just a sad old religion. He would have internalized Imperial policy against Jedi, and he only makes any exception at all for Darth Vader because people above him say he's important.
That random force lady on Yavin that Andor met? Andor has a good reason to believe she's a charlatan. Pretty much anyone you meet claiming to have force powers, even before Order 66, is probably a grifter.
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I understand that it was to show us Vader's behaviour, but I agree that in hindsight he looks very stupid, or at least born yesterday.
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In the book "from a certain point of view" Admiral Motti complains about Vader chocking him to the empire's HR department!
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"This could have been an email."
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"email me harder, force daddy"
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But, the "stupid religion" turned out to be actual magic. Shut him up PDQ.
I think about this guy and also Admiral "There Are So Many Uncharted Settlements" Ozzelfrom Empire sometimes.
My pet theory is that, from their perspective, Vader is primarily a gigantic pain in the ass. He has no official rank; he's just the Emperor's buddy. But he's constantly commandeering Imperial resources, up to and including entire fleets, diverting them away from carefully coordinated military planning, because he has "a feeling" that some survivor of Order 66 is hiding out on some backwater.
So then the entire damn fleet needs to go on a side quest, possibly destabilizing some other part of the galaxy where they're supposed to be part of a blockade ordered by the Admiralty, and Vader goes down with a platoon of expensive troops and equipment, and maybe even a bunch of them get killed or lost, and Vader flies back up to the Star Destroyer and announces "mission accomplished," because he managed to kill one guy that no one has even heard of.
So now the fleet is out of position, the Admiral is probably all pissed off because his orders got overridden, and you better believe that neither Vader nor the Emperor is going to hand out any medals for any of this. And God forbid Vader doesn't find the guy he's looking for! If that happens, he's even more pissed off than usual, and liable to cause even more property and personnel damage when he gets back to the ship. You're trying to run a fleet and subjugate a galaxy, and the Emperor and his Best Buddy with no discernible military experience whatsoever are constantly screwing it up with their weird personal vendettas.
So it's no wonder that the serious-minded military types are totally fed up with them, and maybe this guy figured that now that they can blow up planets they won't have to tolerate any more of Vader's bullshit.
No discernible military experience, wasn't he a general in the clone wars? Ah but they wouldn't know that
Sure, he has combat experience, but he knows nothing about occupation and running a military empire. Can you imagine Vader doing the paperwork it takes to maintain supply lines?
Yularen knows. Which is probably why he transferred over to running the ISB and seemingly does nothing all day.
Just change a few words in there and you basically described Trump's first 90 days in office. Vader is Elon.
Bruh what a parallel. Narcissistic and vindictive strongmen are similar to eachother.
True.... But much, much less cooler. Would explain that picture of Muskrat standing behind Mr. Trump with arms crossed. Maybe he wanted to specifically imitate that.
Ohhh god vader is musk.
Dont tell him i said that, he will take it as a compliment
Don't be ridiculous. Vader has no idea who Musk is, let alone care.
musky. how often do you think he cleans that suit
I was thinking Vader is Hegseth.
Might be right in general, but Ozzel did screw up. The Rebels at Hoth had little time to evacuate after running into the probe droid. The Empire could have easily camped the hyperspace exit from a distance and picked them all off. Ozzel chose to come in too close, and that made them vulnerable to the ground ion canon.
The whole rebellion should have died that day. Vader knows plenty enough about planetary sieges to figure this out.
Didn't Vader tank that on a subliminal level by sensing his daughter's presence? Ozzel might have been influenced to screw up there on purpose
It's still the height of stupidity to tell the evil wizard cyborg boss such stuff to their face, when they have the legal right to immediately kill you (as well as ability, from the cyborg parts if biting else).
Then again, he was probably brown-nosing for Tarkin, taking a gamble that he'd live and earn points with him... which actually ended up happening so I guess I have to retract my earlier statement about stupidity when it worked out so well for him.
It was still quite a risky move.
dude has balls of beskar
A tactical gambit, essentially? I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense
Ummm, Anakin Skywalker was highly regarded as a military strategist throughout the clone wars. Non conventional maybe, but highly effective
But no one is supposed to know that Vader is Skywalker, so that reputational credit doesn't transfer
Behold! The power of storytelling and imagination when not every single detail is explicated upon and shoved in the audience's face!
Apologies for a bit of a rant that probably nobody else cares about, but I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about MAHQ (the biggest forum for mecha anime, and Gundam in particular) and how the moderators handle interpretation. There's an assumption that everything has to be spoonfed to you or it isn't right. It's really dumb and limiting.
Bronson’s got to pay!