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What's your approach to engaging in a conversation about politics in the company of people who hold reactionary beliefs?

As Marxists, who desire the overthrow of the bourgeois capitalist state through revolution, one of the best ways for us to spread revolutionary consciousness and its ideals is through explaining whenever we get the opportunity. Not through necessarily reciting every volume of Capital in depth, but applying theory to give succinct explanations to real-world phenomenons in the neoliberal world anyone would understand. It will not turn a liberal into a unionizing Marxist and anti-imperialist overnight, but instead it's obviously incremental.

Sadly, we can't directly accomplish that from a comradely online space like this one, but we can use it to develop strategies!

We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.

as Thomas Sankara once said.

So share your experiences, and let's learn from eachother, question eachother, and make a space for constructive criticism.

Be they liberals, socdems, reformists, bourgeois nationalists, conservatives of all kinds, hell, even fascist-adjacents.. any rightoid sympathies, whatever the case.

And my fellow comrades of the Global South probably have experiences with the defeatist types who are nihilistic and end up becoming imperialist bootlickers, due to adopting a neocolonial inferiority complex.

Do you prefer to calmly engage through theory in simplified terms applied to real world examples they would understand and relate to? Perhaps focusing on making them see the contradictions and guiding them to answer questions themselves through dialectical materialism? Do you simply prefer to disengage and let them be, depending on the situation? Do you sometimes balance between "preserving your sanity" and standing your ground?

For the Westerners, I would assume you'd often avoid the "trigger words" of communism and socialism due to red scare propaganda.

Perhaps it depends on how susceptible they are to cognitive dissonance (i.e. how much they seem perceive their beliefs as a personality trait)?

Very curious to hear about everyone's experiences!

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  • Anti-aircraft cannon. I follow the leadership of Comrade Kim.

    Serious answer: I keep the focus on the problems at home. When they veer into "muh China" stuff, I poke holes in it, redirect, point out hypocrisy, and pivot back to home by pointing out that our government here has a much bigger impact on us than the government in China.

    When discussing socialism, I just point out that a lot of reforms would be very nice, but they continually fail to materialize as the government shoots them down in favor of squeezing the population harder and harder. Constant recessions, the impossibility of infinite growth, etc. As @BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml says, the consequences of actions speak louder than words. Liberal politicians make everything worse, people support reactionary politicians who make everything even worse than that, and progressive politicians are shot down during takeoff. People either come around to the idea that the system is broken and Hitler 2.0 isn't going to fix it, or they don't, very often based on their class position.

    • When they start doing "enemy country bad" stuff, it's so easy to clown on them for being a dorkass sheep who trusts the government all of a sudden

    • That's an interesting approach, efficient way to flip the script and shut down all the propaganda which is exactly meant to DISTRACT from what happens at home.

      ..and progressive politicians are shot down during takeoff

      Indeed, which serves as material proof that achieving socialism within bourgeois electoralism (or "democracy" as it labels itself) is not sustainable because it does not overthrow the ruling class (bourgeoisie) in favor of a new one (proletariat), and instead leverages the tools of the existing ruling class. Makes you think of a certain Allende.. Or those who simply sell out.

  • Hard question! Thanks :)

    I would love to say I lead through questions because I know this is very successful but I am not there yet in this topic.

    Today I still try and debate people on topics nad I do happen to ask questions but it is very far from what I want it to be. Most likely that is due to me not having enough experience in engaging with people about this complex issue yet.

    My personal final boss atm are leftlibs who see themselves as some amalgamation of the holy western democracy and socialism. There mere existence triggers me sometimes and their smugness makes my skin crawl.

    Most importantly, it is because I used to be a leftlib not that long ago but I never was this smug when presented with facts. At least I like to think to TM.

    In any case, I'm glad other people are on the path with me. Good luck to us all. We will make it through this somehow.

    • Nice to hear your perspective and recent journey! The priority, in the end, is not dwelling on "losing" a "debate" with a smug lib, but learning more and more about why they're wrong, from observing world or domestic societal affairs whose class characteristics can put into perspective moving forward, to simply reading theory.

      There mere existence triggers me sometimes and their smugness makes my skin crawl.

      Exactly what bourgeois media trains them to. Those acquaintances won't be so smug anymore once their beloved Western "democracy" crumbles further, they'll be faced with a choice. And you could impact that if they're people you know well / are close to - even if it won't magically make all libs becomes leftists, obviously.

  • The consequences of a reactionaries actions will always speak louder than our words.

    Yes we should never stop explaining, but people will only listen if the material conditions provide the incentive.

    There's a certain hubris in thinking that the growing left adjacent sympathies in the west are the result of left adjacent efforts. I won't make the claim that the hard work and organizing that so many left adjacent people have accomplished has been worthless, because that's simply untrue. But it pales in comparison to the mountains that have been moved by worsening material conditions from the hands of right adjacent forces.

    To sum up my point, I think if you're put on the spot you should be able to defend your views. However, it is not in my opinion- not a good use of time to debate with reactionaries. Those that can be convinced will sooner be convinced by reality as they have been so far. Those that cannot be convinced will serve to make reality worse (which works in our favor) and ultimately be destroyed as a consequence.

    • Yes we should never stop explaining, but people will only listen if the material conditions provide the incentive.

      That's why I said this:

      applying theory to give succinct explanations to real-world phenomenons in the neoliberal world anyone would understand

      If said material conditions were not present, this would be not only pointless but also nearly impossible. Especially because the contradictions are already sharpening in the West now.

      A point I intentionally glossed over because it was largely meant to generalize and apply not only to Westerners, is the labour aristocracy and similar class dynamics. The portion of the working class still far from disillusioned, who have been bought off by working class concesssions from the bourgeoisie derived from imperialist superprofits.

      Look at the pension situation in Europe, and France's latest austerity measures, as an example. What happens is that most of them, once this affects them, are captured by reaction instead of revolution, the default under the imperialist capitalist superstructure. This is giving rise to a majority of fascist sympathies once the last liberal has been scratched, which you implied. The tiny organized left in the imperial core, where this happens, is a drop in the ocean as far as "reversing" this entire phenomenon is concerned.

      ..it is not in my opinion- not a good use of time to debate with reactionaries. Those that can be convinced will sooner be convinced by reality as they have been so far. Those that cannot be convinced will serve to make reality worse (which works in our favor) and ultimately be destroyed as a consequence.

      This I won't disagree with, because "debating" with them means to speak on their terms which should be avoided in favour of simply turning the script in your favor if you're forced to be around them in a given situation. Secondly, the good side of this is absolutely that they will accelerate the utter exhaustion of every single attempt at "saving" and "reforming" capitalism until they eventually discover that there's nothing to lose from the current system. Imperialist capitalism has leveraged world wars to "salvage" itself, though, which we shouldn't forget.

  • Depends.

    If they're strangers I ignore them.

    If I know them but not well I try to avoid them or at least avoid the topic.

    If I know them well I try to talk to them in a respectful and patient manner unless I already know they won't listen in which case I treat them like a stranger and ignore them.

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