"Freeloaders"

Damn I hated you on those first lines 😂

Oh yes, I remember this. Duke assessed the river bed and determined that a cleanup could cause more damage and would be super expensive. So they did no cleanup AND increased rates.

I was about to flame you up 😤😂

You had me going there for a minute

I hate you. Wait no I don't 😂

Climate Town, is this you??

It's enough to be big, you don't have to be successful. Corporations are rescued all the time with tax money.

Worth noting that a lot of the people raging about immigrants don’t see themselves as racist.

Preach!

I'd say it's still important to post and talk about, not for the people who know and don't care, but for the people who don't know and do care.

Post like this are misinformation because people don't understand the difference between revenue and profit.

Temporary agricultural worker visas are one of the types of work visa with no limit, and actually have more protections than a lot of regular US workers. They still hire illegals because illegals are cheaper.

Fastest way to get caught hiring undocumented workers is to not pay their employment taxes.

Durrr. We need them to trickle down on some workers cause otherwise there wouldn't be any jobs.

Not all taxes are collected, much of what we pay in taxes is added on to the cost of things.

They can request and may be assigned an individual tax ID number (ITIN). Having an ITIN may allow them to open a bank account. It also makes it so they pay taxes which a surprising number want to do. Since they want to stay in the country, having a long history of paying taxes is a way to show you don't want to cause trouble and you just want to work. Hell, a lot of them probably know they got Al Capone on tax evasion and don't want to end up like him. Here's a report I just Googled, and possibly the source of the number which is an estimate.

On the other side is how much tax funding is used on them. Here's a report from the House of Representatives which states they use more in services (Medicare, WIC, sending kids to school, etc) than they pay. I can't speak to how accurate the report is considering the makeup and views publicly expressed by members of the committee. I'm personally leaning towards 'they don't, and can't, use as more than they contribute' because they're not eligible for many benefits.

Just because you're undocumented doesn't mean the IRS will give up on taking your money.

Sensible question. Nobody even knows how many undocumented people are in a country - because they're undocumented.

This has to be a made up figure. The sentiment might be correct but the data is dubious.

probably the tax on their daily spendings

He worked for multiple presidential administrations and was in the cabinet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich

Obviously the substance of the post is important but I did do a double take at his name, remembering that yes, this is indeed Robert Reich, former US secretary of labor, father of Sam Reich, a silly little man who makes his cast play silly little games.

More often than not they're ashamed their wic is funded in large part by illegals. Pride is dangerous as fuck.

Well, he doesn't do work or create value.

The full text of the original Constitution is available when you read the Constitution, then turn it upside down and read the additional text which is in Latin

Do you have the latin? What does the full text say?

Please get help or take your medication. The Constitution does not have a magic Latin section.

Is there, and I'm just guessing here, a medication that you may need a lot of and have taken none of? Or maybe too much of?

then turn it upside down and read the additional text which is in Latin.

Do you mean this literally?

Sumbody forgot to take their medication today.

Undocumented migrants still pay taxes that are built into systems we interact with, like sales, rent, mortgage, etc. They also frequently have payroll taxes taken out, and even file taxes using an ITIN instead of SSN. They also can't capitalize on govt. programs like section 8 or social security, so they are only able to contribute to these funding pools. Undocumented migrants generate billions per year in taxes for the US.

Filing taxes is how we get refunds for overpaying in the US.

Paying taxes is done for us, through withholding out of our paychecks (don't need a SS#, as a TIN will do here), sales tax on purchases of goods, and in other ways, like connected to housing, etc.

While immigrants in the country without authorization do not have Social Security numbers, they can file taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or ITIN.

Reports about 3m people file using an ITIN each year, and the number of people expected to legally use them is very small.

Also says they see about $12B more paid into social security by illegals than paid out.

As Al Capone found, the government is would rather you pay tax on illegally earned money.

Fact check immigrants taxes

Sales tax exists.

How is the government getting taxes from people it doesn’t know exist??

Going to the store and handing over my money for the stuff. There's a % sales tax at the bottom of my receipt, but how is this possible?! I didn't tell the government I was going shopping today.

Drive back home to my apartment, where I pay my rent for the month. My landlord forward a chunk of that money to the city as real estate taxes. But I never formally registered my citizenship at this address, so how can that be?

Heading to the bar where I earn my living. Most of my income is in tips, which my boss collects and skims the business tax rate off of before distributing the balance. But there's no bartender's license to work here, so how did he know to do that?

Omw home, I've got to remember to re-register my car and buy more gas-taxed petrol and damn it feels like there's a lot of ways for a government to collect tax money from me.

This is a good question and should be upvoted.

Income taxes are withheld from the paycheck. The filing is largely unnecessary in the modern day and most people are getting refunds. The IRS offers tax ID numbers to people who don't have social security numbers and they generally don't care if you're a citizen unless you try to claim something like the earned income tax credit. They literally just want to get paid.

Most illegals came in legally, and let their visa expire

Four-rd?

Nah Bro, it's biased against poor and pro rich. Taxes on income are nothing the company pays, it's paid by the employees.

Taxes on profits and gains are circumvented by "declaring necessary investments" to set the net profit to 0.

I know there are cases where this is legit, but I doubt, Amazon and others just steal.

Undocumented immigrants can't file income tax, because they are undocumented. However, they also can't utilize the majority of our costly social services, because they, obviously, don't have documentation. They can't sign up for welfare programs, utilize police resources for fear of being deported, etc.

Overall though, they are also human. They produce similar economic demand to Americans. They pay sales tax. Their landlord pays tax on their rent. They are also often paid less than Americans because they have no ability to enforce the law through legal means (again, for fear of being deported), but still have to buy things like food, which is taxed.

Thus, they tend to, at a bare minimum, take roughly about what they put in, leaving a mostly neutral effect on the economy.

Immigration is generally regarded to boost innovation overall, lead to higher education rates within the workforce, and creates higher overall economic productivity., which is an effect on the economy that isn't just taxes in, taxes out.

Of course, the best option we have is to grant them amnesty, because that then means they can file & pay income taxes, can more easily be statistically measured and analyzed as a group, and can engage in class solidarity through union organization, which raises working conditions and wages for all workers.

Explain to me how an illegal immigrant is “taking” anything from the system.

So much wrong with this post. First, the US does not have a VAT. Second, why would you ascribe an employees wages to the employer? Isn’t it the employees skills that earns them a wage? Third, what do you even mean with “undocumented “ migrants taking out of the system? They are undocumented and thus don’t have access to social security/medicaid etc.

We don't have VAT in the US and we don't track sales tax. This is from two sources. Immigrants that can use a tax ID number, and immigrants that cannot but still have taxes withheld from their paycheck. So the only effect is they can't get a refund.

Imma go ahead and say the income tax & VAT combined don't equal 97B.

Additionally, imma guess immigrants took out much less than the 97B they put into the system.

Fact check me.

Just say you care about money more than people. It's quicker and easier to ignore you than when you sputter out some pseudointellectual nonsense.