Zᛟhrᚫn MᚫmPᛟxi not beating the LIB allegations
Zᛟhrᚫn MᚫmPᛟxi not beating the LIB allegations

Zᛟhrᚫn MᚫmPᛟxi not beating the LIB allegations

im slowly turning into raul castro
The first one is for practice, to make sure we have the process down correctly. The second is the one that counts. And the third? The third is just for me
Lol, you all were shitting on me for calling this like 3 months ago.
his defense squad have been awful quiet the last few weeks
I critically supported him. Shitting on Cuba and Venezuela is a red line, so I don’t critically support him anymore. Pretending like half of hexbear are secret demsocs is an unfair characterization though.
Edit: I critically supported him because I saw him as helping to develop class consciousness without YET crossing any red lines. Sure, I suspected he could disappoint in the future but I believe and still maintain it’s ok to hold cautious optimism (and be ready for disappointment) instead of just assuming we’ll get fucked over as if it’s a given.
Edit 2: My position is that there are some positions, though correct, are positions that a US politician simply cannot take in public. I don’t like it but I accept it. Talking positively about Stalin, for example. Zohran’s comments about Oct 7 were right on that edge, IMO. But shitting on Cuba, come on. Cuba is like one of the safest ones to support. And shitting on Maduro is actively harmful rn
No they’ve been loud as shit telling us he’s paving the way for the democratic socialists of amerikkka to elect more democrats in New York
My take is that these kinds of unforced Ls 100% do deserve criticism, but on the other hand, his politics are way better than NYC mayors usually get (e.g. Eric Adams and the Cuomo family) and he might warm people to the left and the term "socialism". Electoralism will never be the solution and pretending otherwise is quite silly.
Basically just like we treat people like Bernie around here even though he has been making some serious Ls since at least the 1990s
HOW ARE PEOPLE SURPRISED
i'm surprised a mayoral candidate keeps saying stuff about geopolitics
he's running for mayor this doesn't actually matter, it's just punching himself in the balls for no reason.
That was actually my take at the time.
He was gonna Lib out, but lets be frank, would him fucking Tankie posting really help him win this campaign? Outside of us and some weird old Maoists left over from the anti-Vietnam era, every "leftist" in this country is Lib as fuck.
Critical support I guess.
I’ve been saying this since the start, calling him out for liberal Zionism 27 days ago, posting the Jorge Ramos episode from weeks ago where he condemned them but didn’t use the word dictator. Seems like even the fencesitting was too far left.
Didn't you catch a temp ban over it, too?
Nah I think that was somebody else
And where did that bring you? How many times do I have to teach you this lesson?
apparently infinite in a never ending cycle
shut up shut up shut up
you're RUNNING FOR MAYOR shut the fuck up
You're running for LOCAL OFFICE. You don't need to field these questions. Cuba and Venezuela are not your concern.
At least with Israel they can say "NYC is largest population of US Jews, plus generally Americans are concerned about an ongoing genocide, so it is slightly relevant to the NYC mayoral position"
But the mayor of NYC needs no position on Venezuela, it's really easy to just say nothing instead of cosigning war crimes
but if you've got dogshit opinions please do air them so everyone knows who you really are
Why do this
Because he believes it, because he's a piece of shit American. None of these people are hiding it.
Who are these statements even for? The right will see it as a bold faced lie, people on the far left will hate these statements and see it as a betrayal of core values, and I guess people on the centre left get to use it as a token statement to try shut down right wing critique. Yay.
and Trump is acting just like those authoritarian dictators too!
Can they just invent like ONE good American pls
This is getting a bit silly
There's lots, but as a rule you won't see them on the democratic ticket
I believe that's what the kids are calling survivorship bias
Fuck this social fascist piece of shit
One of the tags for
It's going to keep happening until the socdems are purged.
It was like a month ago that criticizing Mamdani would get you waves of angry socdems saying "but the right opposes him!"
but you would lose their valuable discourse like "we have to vooote" and "harm reduction" and "lesser evil" and "hiding power levels"
Reading his Wikipedia article and comparing it with other people like Corbyn and Maduro makes him look so bad in comparison. But I'm not taking about the obvious like comparing what they are now or what they have done because Mamdani obviously hasn't done much by virtue of not having a real political career. Even comparing their very early forays into politics make Mamdani look like a fraud.
Maduro:
Morales:
Corbyn:
Mamdani:
Overall, Mamdani's backstory paints him as some dude who just wants to be an elected politician and have always wanted to be an elected politician since he was little. He was never involved in any labor organizing or political activism. Given his backstory, it will isn't that surprising he would completely capitulate because none of his history thus far show him as someone who cares about anything but the trajectory of his own political career. He's just young enough that he doesn't have much of a political career yet, so there's less opportunity for him to go mask off in being a careerist.
Edit: I thought about it some more, and my impression of him is even worse now. Let's look at Sanders. Sanders started out as a participant of the civil rights movement. Mamdani is a millennial, and the millennial equivalent of civil rights activism is stuff like anti-Iraq war protests and BLM. But was he even a participant in those activism or any activism at all? Was he protesting against the Iraq war? Was he protesting against police brutality? Was he even involved in Occupy, the millennial movement that first started in the same exact city he's running for mayor?
Damn, I didn't care for him at all, and even I feel bamboozled after reading his Wikipedia article. Shoulda done the bare amount of investigation by reading a Wikipedia article and going off on him when a lot of his stans are still around lmao
Wasn't his father like a very influential academic of african geopolitics or something i feel like it's kinda bad faith to leave that out.
That literally means nothing. Castro's father was some shitty plantation owner, yet Castro threw out Batista (around the same age as Mamdani I might add) and expropriate all plantations to the socialist state, starting first with his father's.
long line of shitlibs with based dads
That makes him look worse and not better, tbh.
In western academia that means more like helping a think tank manufacture consent to overthrow african governments or inform the cia on how to best archive it.
Was he protesting against the Iraq war?
He would have been like 12 years old.
During Occupy, at least a teenager or maybe 18.
I agree with the rest. The "millennial" category just spans such a large range and I guess he's closer to the zoomer end.
He was never involved in any labor organizing or political activism.
Didn't he play a prominent role in his campus's SJP, before the 2014 war?
Next year when I'm eating affordable Halal while in the sewers taking pot shots at the invading South Carolinian Nation Guard I'm going to remember this.
Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism.
Nope you can't say that, it's not allowed, we're a left unity forum not a commy forum how are you gonna court the socdems talking like that please consider how you build a movement out of this, mods mods mods (context, I'm just complaining)
Left unity and non-sectarianism is unfortunately and usually code for allowing opportunitists, left-coms and chauvinists to destroy/deenergize/disarm leftist movements.
As more and more people need to „get“ even good intentions and „benign motivations“ will be used by the empire.
This is just one moderator's perspective (mine, if that isn't clear); take it as such:
Nowhere on the site do we officially advertise as a "Left-Unity" community, which I believe is a colloquialism used in an attempt to succinctly describe the site and its vibe, especially to people outside the site. That being, we don't discourage baby leftists from joining the site, and we don't explicitly advertise as either an Anarchist forum or a Marxist/Marxist-Leninist forum. We're going to inevitably have new users on the site where this is their
My interpretation of the rule:
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. Discussing differences in theory is fine and encouraged, just don't make it personal. Remember: Sectarianism is liberalism.
Is that it is intended as a rule for mediating the existing tensions between Anarchist and Marxist-Leninist tendencies. I can't speak for historical rulings on the matter, but that is my understanding and interpretation. So threads like this one, do not fall under that rule, in my opinion.
I told you people this almost a century ago, but you didn't believe me. Why didn't you believe me?
Path of least resistance or something idk
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Idiot
Fuck. There's no pragmatic reason to fold on this, gusanos in NYC aren't going to tank his race. This is just naked ideology and opportunism.
I issue a formal apology to whomever it was I argued with some months ago in defense of Zohran. I didn't expect a ton from him but I expected better than this. I was wrong. I'm sorry I was wrong. I tried to go back in my comment history to find you and give you the gloating rights you deserve, but it crapped out after 10 pages of looking.
god it hurts to think I was at all optimistic about this...thing.
Fuck
Lol. Lmao even.
Wait, c/Electoralism isn't a prank community?
Idk I didn't wanna post this on main and get crucified
This comm is the quarantine zone for Electoralism, you did right.
hahaha fuck this guy lmao
you hate to see it. You could have taken command of one of the juiciest mayoral seats in the world, could made a fucking mark on the nation's history. you could have had your own Red Guards one day if you called for them, the people are hungry man... they would defend you if you fed them.
Instead you will enjoy being bending over to the demands of your class enemies everyday. you were too libshit to embrace the beautiful power of the dictatorship of the proletariat, now your destiny is the dustbin like every other "social democratic" loser.
the chauvinism just means he's not our guy, but he was never the revolution. he's still promising to materially improve peoples' lives and the bad international positions don't matter for a mayor.
All politicians promise to improve people's lives. He is a Democrat, tows the line of imperialism, walks back his good positions on geopolitics, promises material improvements which if successful are still just charity hand outs and not a step towards socialism.
Socdems going to socdem I suppose. I always saw his campaign as a good way to actually push socialist ideas onto people, when he is constantly capitulating to the ruling class, despite his campaign promises, that's when our comrades in New York need to make sure the people around them understand why he isn't actually helping them and that you can't fix the system from within.
Just because well read socialists know that electoralism is a dead end doesn't mean that your average person does, so having an actual direct example of it not working is important for agitprop and education. How many people here are leftists because they were inspired by Bernie Sanders, or someone similar in their own countries/cities?
that's when our comrades in New York need to make sure the people around them understand why he isn't actually helping them and that you can't fix the system from within.
Nobody is going to listen to the "comrades" who campaigned for him and put him into power, they lose their credibility when he sells out. That's the danger of tying your reputation to opportunists
our comrades in New York need to make sure the people around them understand why he isn’t actually helping them and that you can’t fix the system from within.
They wont, they were defeated and spend the last months extolling his virtues on here and causing many much more disciplined to leave this forum. I was nearly one of them.
it’s zohver
This basically confirms he's winning the election and then being the AOC stopgap to any further socialist reforms.
If random gusanos gets him to think this way who knows what the dems have done.
Putting all of this disgusting, western chauvinism aside, it is objectively funny that so much is being made of the political positions of a mayor (yes, I know context matters and he's the presumptive mayor of New York but still)
Imagine this much of a stink being made regarding the opinions of the mayor of Minot, North Dakota
As mayor of NYC, he would have over ten times the constituents of the entire state of North Dakota. Hell, he'd have a larger constituency than 38/50 governors.
and he'll have zero duties or powers related to international politics.
he did it to himself. There's no reason he has to make these statements at all except to proclaim loud and clear to Democrats that they can trust him, that he's one of them
I understand your point, but Minot is actually quite strategically important to the USA, as the nuclear capable B-52 Stratofortress bombers and Minuteman III ICBMs are based/controlled at Minot Air Force Base. So foreign policy would be very relevant in that case lol.
The mayor isn't imposing it on the military though
Fuck this idiot. Have fun being David Dinkins 2.0 if you even manage to not get cucked by the Dems.
fuck this
Okay cool so now when they compare you to them they can quote you on them being dictators.
Whatever, nothing means anything anymore, why play traditional politics. Why any politics. But you know what I realized the other day about nothing meaning anything? The liberals got there first. They believed in nothing long before anyone else. And by sheer vacuum force of cynical will they dragged us into the nothing they created.
What a moron, just have no opinion and pivot the topic back to the office you're running for. Losing count of the unforced errors
do you see my point yet?
haha, I have seen it all along. Luckily the mayor of a US city has no impact on the government of Cuba and Venezuela, it's baffling where he perceives this pressure from when he's the frontrunner, unless this is just the mask slipping off. If you wanna do a touchdown dance on NYers not having free childcare or their rent frozen, feel free
color me so surprised
I want to be clear about my position, they are dictators of the proletariat
Only correct answer
Oh look mistrusting someone because they are „too good“ at left lib PR did pay off in the end.
Fuckin' call him Bernie Corbyn
Corbyn has NEVER said either of these things. Stop putting him in the same boat as the US imperialists, he is a staunch anti imperialist and falls into the same lines we have on almost every foreign position. Corbyn openly praises
The ultimate American cope is the idea that they're somehow better than or even equal to the British. No, the sad garbage country can't even clear that incredibly low bar.
You're right, I stand corrected
Corbyn has more solidarity with Cuba, doesn't he?
🗲ohran Mamdani
Have you heard the story of a scorpion and dsa?
I knew it
ZᴏHʀⱯɴ ᴍⱯᴍDᴀИɪ
Lol damn
Tbh he’s done quite a bit by raising awareness for Gaza, as disheartening as that sounds considering the bar is slow. He’s definitely no longer useful
ofc
but people saying him not saying this wouldn't hurt his chances are wrong
Like lol he would definitely lose if he said the opposite (if he wasn't shot)
I was just watching a clip of jane goodall saying she would put "musk,trump ,putin ,president xi jinping and Netanyahu and his far right government on a spaceship and send them away forever"
it disgusts me that anyone would compare Putin to Netanyahu but I understand that in the eyes of dumb-ass westerners that putin is a dictator (not true) and that Russia invaded Ukraine
BUT saying Xi and then Saying Netenyahu and his far right government implies that a Chinese president is not ok but a "non far-right" israeli president is and it fucking pisses me off
here's the thing this person is not running for office ,she passed away just 6 days ago yet she still said this lib bs ,I am not stupid ,this shit is worse in the USA so yeah rant over
he didn't need to say the opposite, he just needed to say nothing at all.
yeah same stuff my man ,that would make people interpret him as weak ,electoralism is a dead end and if you want to run for office please run as part of a 3rd party