Got downvoted on lemmy.world for pointing out that if you murderer people indiscriminately you're going to end up killing trans people.

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if it's okay to bomb a group of people because a meaningful chunk of them are transphobic then that means there's moral justification to bomb
- Blowing up JK Rowling's castle because she's transphobic as a wahhabist hate cleric
  Sorry, them's the rules Joanne.
  
  wait, her first name isn't Jowling?

Where do people get unhinged numbers like half a million Russian military deaths? From meat wave theory and vibes?
- Multiplying actual losses x10
  I’m not joking, the Ukrainians have been sticking to that formula since the beginning of the war. They exaggerate enemy losses by tenfold and undercount their own losses by tenfold. Zelenskyy is saying that there have only been 30,000 Ukrainian soldier deaths the entire war, just in complete denial of reality
  
  They had a standing army before the war of about 250k during pre war buildup, but they've only suffered 30k deaths? While Russia has had air, armor, and artillery superiority the whole time?
  And they are also openly conscripting any male that can stand and operate a firearm?
  lmao that's some weapons grade copium
  
  30 000 Ukrainians died whereas they killed 500 000? Totally likely
- Straight from The Ghost of Kiev himself
- Nope it’s official Ukrainian military numbers. They are liars even in the “official” areas.
- There was some western report/claim recently about 500000 Russian losses (forgot where it's from exactly), which people/propagandist just assume/wish/spin means dead (it doesn't). This is after the Russians, a few weeks ago, officially claimed half a million losses on the Ukrainian side, so I imagine that's just "no u" propaganda.
- Them taking the obviously made up numbers given by the ukrainian government for face value already shows that they have lost contact with reality.
- That and state department press releases.

You heard it here first folks, not only did America as a nation deserve 9/11 but the specific Americans in the towers deserved it because some of them were probably transphobic, also we should do more 9/11s
- Lebensraum.world mods have replied to me to tell me to stop celebrating 9/11 in the thread (soy)
  
  I love your username lmao

500,000 dead Russians
Sure Jan
But seriously, these people are the same ones who would take a job at the concentration camps because "They're the wrong people, they did a naughty or they wouldn't be in there"
- It's actually 2 million dead RuZZians smh

They also don't distinguish between Russian soldiers and Palestinian civilians. Half a million seems really high as well. You for sure label civilian death rate as a hate crime if they're a certain race or gender. That's kinda what a genocide is.

Even if we take their 500,000 dead Russian soldiers number at face value (which I mean
) do they not see the difference between killing a soldier invading another country and killing random civilians who are just trying to survive?

Friendly reminder that Ukraine bans males between the ages of 18 and 65 from leaving the country.
That ban also applies to trans women because Ukraine does not recognize their chosen gender identity.

"This is like saying ukra8ne is slaughtering lgbtq people cus they killed half a million russians"
No silly the reason that Ukraine is killing lgbtq people is because it's made up of shameless self avowed neo nazis and gay marriage isn't even legal in the country.
So close to getting it.

Don't forget: part of the point of this shit is literally to further queerphobia. The people getting bombed are going to hate whatever they associate with their killers, and any LGBT people who call this imperialism out for what it is are going to be called "chickens for KFC", where the narrative of being too stupid to recognize one's own ""best interests"" is used to justify paternalism of LGBT people. It is really astonishing how effectively imperialism manages to present itself to so many people as the exact opposite of what it truly is.

lemmy.world is just a reddit clone atp
- yeah, they even are just copy and pasting their favorite subreddits. its actually embarrassing to pat yourself on the back for sticking it to reddit and moving to lemmyworld just to go post on r/NoStupidQuestions and r/Funny and r/WorkReform (with community icons clones directly from reddit)

Ukraine has killed half a million Russian soldiers
Lmao. How are they still coping this hard with their heads up their asses? Everyone admits Russia is winning. There’s no way they would be if they lost 500,000 soldiers. It is so stupid

Anyone who believes Ukraine has killed half a million russians is really really dense and not worth talking to. No better word for it.

Who would have thought libs would use "concerns over transphobia" as a stalking horse for their own Islamophobia? Just kidding, Reddit atheists have been doing a version of that shit for well over a decade.
This is what happens when you view politics not in terms of education or material conditions but whether you are a Good or Bad person and then make crass, sweeping generalizations on top of it.

Idealism vs materialism
They think that 1000 queer people getting killed in a proportionate amount of 10k deaths is less damaging to 100 queer people getting killed because they're specifically queer since it's only the intent behind the murders that matter. Not the actual murders themselves

- Isn't calling Ukrainians transphobic because of nazi ideology being widespread in the country similar to what the people in this post are saying about Palistinians?

Second comment just to note this part that annoyed me:
On top of that, you're acting like the reason Israel has targeted them is because they're LGBTQ+. You don't label a civilian death as a hate crime just because they're a certain race or gender. So no you're statement is blatantly false.
The statement was simply " Israel is probably the nr.1 murderer of trans people in the world right now." That has nothing to do with intention. We're just talking about who is killing the most trans people, not their purposes in doing so. I have no idea if it's actually israel that would rank #1, but the point is not refuted simply by shifting the focus to the subject of intentions
Palestine is not a race, and Islam is %100 transphobic and the main religion practiced there (98% of the population).
Palestinians are an ethnic group, and the bigotry toward them is just more of the general anti-arab racism that westerners have been inculcated with for more than two decades now. I know next to nothing about Islam, but even assuming their religious texts endorsed transphobia, why would you then assume every single person adheres to those documents to a tee?
How hard would it be to get these people on-board with bombing parts of the US because of all the queer-phobic far-right Christian elements that dominate certain regions? And hell, it's not like atheists can't get on board with the hatred too, plenty of those assholes turned into "cultural christians" and rationalize their bigotry with evo-psych and shit like that.
I'm only asking rhetorically, we all know this shit isn't really consistent.
- I know next to nothing about Islam, but even assuming their religious texts endorsed transphobia, why would you then assume every single person adheres to those documents to a tee?
  Even assuming they did, does that really mean we should endorse genocide against them? If we did a survey that found that the median African American was transphobic, does that mean we should support the Klan and Thin Blue Line types? No, of course it doesn't! It's just pure racial hatred using superficial progressivism as a shield.
  
  That's the stronger point, but some people are strangely resistant to the idea that genocide cannot be justified under any circumstances, so I feel compelled to go down roads I wouldn't have to with decent people.
- How hard would it be to get these people on-board with bombing parts of the US because of all the queer-phobic far-right Christian elements that dominate certain regions?

OK, so we're really getting the ”those filthy savage Muslims are bigoted so bombing them is good, actually” talking point again. Cool.

ukraine is slaughtering trans people though, and so is russia. thats how war works. no war but class war, because all that suffering has to be to make things better. in regards to palestine they are hoping to kill or displace everyone there, so any sort of resistance is a straight improvement
- I agree! The difference to me is the strong narrative from Zionists and other fascists, that is being parroted by liberals, that it's okay to murder Palestinians because all Arabs are homophobic, transphobic etc. Ignoring how LGBTQ people make up a large portion of the Palestinian population. Zionists essentially have to if they're going to use it as a talking point to justify their genocide.

Islam is %100 transphobic
Percent One Hundred
- There's only a small number of left-to-right languages where the percent sign officially comes before the number rather than after it, these include Basque as well as various Turkic languages including Turkish itself. In Basque, the word for "percent" is ehuneko; in Turkish, yüzde; and these words come before rather than after the number. Arabic also writes %100 but this is because the language is written right-to-left; Hebrew writes 100% despite being written right-to-left; and Farsi allows for both ٪١٠٠ and ١٠٠٪ interchangeably, apparently.
  Aside from second-language speakers with the %100 languages as their mother tongues, in English it seems like the proscribed practice of writing the percent sign before the number rather than after it is actually by analogy with currency symbols — where English-speaking countries tend to put the currency symbol before the number despite in speech saying the name of the currency after the number.
  So I try not to be too judgmental about typos like writing "%100" instead of "100%", after all I've myself had plenty of mix-ups with things like punctuation and special symbols, and I think probably most people have done similar things in one way or another at some point in their lives. There are a lot of different reasons why someone might make such a typo — not everyone is bound to memorize the whole Associated Press Stylebook or whatever, and not everyone who has done so is going to want to follow all of its prescriptions, anyways — so it's basically pointless to try to assign some sort of meaning or judgment to that kind of typo. I think it's better to focus on the positives, how people are creative and look for and extrapolate from patterns when writing — writing is after all a task which human beings did not naturally evolve to do, and where for the vast majority of human history only a small number of people could write at all.
  All in all, it's better to focus on the meaning of the text, which if one reads between the lines like one's old English teacher told one to do way back when, amounts to that SupraMario at Lemmy Dot World is not merely a clown but is in point of fact the entire circus.
  
  Thanks for the info! All this considered, the meaning of the text is quite obviously still garbage because what does "Islam is 100% transphobic" even mean? Who knows? All I know is that I've met Muslims who aren't transphobic. Also, pinkwashing is trash, and I'm sure we can all agree with that.

By their same logic, a lot of our politicians should be in the cross hairs. Including their beloved

It's such an annoying talking point that keeps re-surfacing. The only way the mass killing of Palestinians is good for LGBT rights is if you're a racist who thinks every arab is homophobic.
That is like saying Ukraine is slaughtering LGBTQ+ people because they killed nearly 1/2 a million russian soldiers.
"But I'm fine with pretending israel is fighting homophobia just because they kill lots of Palestinians."

Unlimited ddos attacks on Lebensraum. world

They should start with themselves before trying to move onto other people

Idk this is kind of a weird take, and that's not how statistics work
- They aren't being targeted disproportionately, whereas in some parts of the world they are specifically and directly targeted, and are murdered at a disproportionate rate is what I mean
  A bomb blowing up a random school somewhere in the world that is in no way directly associated with lgbtq people would certainly be a tragedy, but calling it a tragedy for trans people because some of the people there were, statistically, trans, would be bizarre
- DO YOU WANT TO ELABORATE OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE BAD POSTS
  
  yes lots of lgbtq people are being killed in gaza right now, but its not BECAUSE they are lgbtq that they are being killed. The rates of death and suicide in other places more directly and specifically targeting lgbtq people are definitely killing more trans people, and israel is not the "nr 1 murderer of trans people" as this post puts it.
  Its just an icky way to talk about what's happening to the palestinian people, we don't need to invent weird ways to discuss the ongoing genocide of the entire population, it feels uncomfortable to me, which I admit might be due to some brainworm of mine, but I don't think it is at least.
  Do you want to say sorry, or just make rude posts?