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I wouldn't have believed you either

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Sometimes, I feel regret that Romney didn't beat Obama. Not because Romney would have been a better president. Just because of the timing, if Romney had won, then maybe Trump would never have become president, or at least he'd have been president later. Romney's still a Republican, so it would have sucked, but Trump is fucking poison.
- That's an interesting thought... I can't help but feel like it would have just delayed an inevitable outcome though, potentially allowing the underlying political movement even more time to grow and fester. It's unknowable, but I feel like we'll be pondering questions like that for a long time.
  
  It seems like logically, we should feel lucky to have such an incompetent campy comic book villain con man as the face of their ridiculous movement. But it doesn't feel like that at the time.
  
  I would feel "lucky" if the dipship's popularity dropped to less than 10% support by the end of 2020 and never shown his face in public ever since. But now, this is a nightmare.
- Now imagine how different our country would be if Gore won...
  
  "If we counted Gore's win"
  
  I almost edited to "if Gore was allowed to win"
  
  With all the nonsense about "fiscal conservatives", people forget that the last administration to balance the budget was Clinton/Gore - and not only was the budget balanced, it actually had a fucking surplus. One of the big debate points going into the 2000 election cycle was what to do with this surplus. Naturally enough the surplus went towards tax cuts for the rich and now we're fucking $35 trillion dollars in debt.
  Someone will weigh in here with "deficits don't matter" and "the government can just print money if it needs it".
  
  I’ve always said this was the start of our descend into the hellscape that we’re currently stewing in. Having Gore's president, would have gotten strong internet/telecoms and environmental guardrails/legislation passed. At a time when we really needed to start addressing those things. Amongst many other things..
  5 SCOTUS fucktards are responsible for where we are today. that’s my take at least.
- Because much of what's happening right now is a direct, racist reaction to the US having the gall to elect a black man president.
  
  Its also a reaction to the Hope and Change candidate bailing out the banks who just stole millions of homes, bombed a dozen countries, sending the natl guard to shut down protests in furgison, both-sides a cop arresting a man in his own yard, deporting more people than W or Trump, giving us means-tested subsidies for health insurance.
  Obama disillusioned a generation with politics, hence why so many people stayed home in 2016. Biden did the same shit, and Newsom will do it again if given a chance.
  
  Don't forget the part when Obama created a joint federal/local/corporate-bank task force to illegally surveil the Occupy Wall Street protests, and the brutally crush them. Or decided not to prosecute the authors of the torture program in the Bush administration.
  
  He inherited that quagmire of illegal wars, it's not something you can just withdraw from at the drop of a hat. It was either drones or boots on the ground, not exactly a stellar choice to be left with, and he chose to minimize American lives lost. Most certainly not defending any of America's vile military engagements but the picture is a little bit more nuanced than that.
  
  it’s not something you can just withdraw from at the drop of a hat
  Lol fucking Trump withdrew us from Afghanistan at the drop of a hat (although he timed it so that that particular mess was Biden's to clean up).
  
  I guess people think our memories are really that bad that we'd believe shit like this... OK bud.
  Dude literally said "both sides" lol
  
  I'm guessing Obama was before your politcal awakening. Is there anything specificly I said you don't believe and want more information on?
  
  Everything is Democrats' fault, and anyone who disagrees is a child
  
  We don't blame the Democrats for the crime, we blame the Democrats for positioning themselves as the only ones who can stop the crime, and then just not doing it.
  
  The whiplash when a dem wins president ad all the libs flip to "actually this this we all agreed was bad when
  <last republican>
  was doing it isn't that bad and its really important we keep <funding ICE camps/bombing country/backing Israel/giving money to corporations/funding police attention the expense of literally everything>"
  
  They lost to Donald fucking Trump, twice. Do you think Trump is a uniquely gifted politician? You have to have exceptional distain for your constituents if you can't get them to come out when the alternative is the republicans.
  
  I'm not a fan of the Democratic party, I just hate the obvious bullshit double standard that's everywhere.
  The left just can't not shoot itself in the foot. Always snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Care more about bullshit purity tests than stopping the literal fascists from destroying our republic.
  
  Our standards coincide with what a candidate needs to do to win. By pretending otherwise, you allow the DNC to maintain the delusion the can win without doing what their constituents want. This is basic politics. How thrilled would you be if the republican politicians behaved like the DNC and told their base "haha eat shit, what are you gonna do, vote Democrat?"
- I think a McCain victory would have been the best shot at averting the Trump wing. The Tea Party was the first manifestation of what we see now, and that was triggered by Obama's first term.
  
  But that could have gotten us President Palin.
  
  I somehow mashed to forget her for a second..
  He probably would have made it up to the full 8 years, since he did in our timeline. I doubt Palin would have won a race.
- Typical liberal thinking. Trump is just byproduct of neoliberal, genocidal war mongering state of america. If not Trump, someone else wouldve come. You should be glad he didnt came sooner and I am sure far far worse times are yet to come.

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