Botox

Most celebrities have gotten some type of Botox or filler, but don't expect it to make you look magically younger. Depending on your face, the doctor, and luck it can look you younger but realistically it'll make you look different

Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. You may look like someone who is in their 30s, but it's not going to turn back time and make you look exactly like you when you were in your 30s. It's more like makeup - you can look good, but you're going to be altering the superficial structure of your face to do it.

There's a classic survivorship bias where people think all Botox is bad because we always see the obvious gaffs and just assume that good Botox is natural. Botox is a lot more common than people think, it's usually just a touch-up
That being said. It puts me off how often you see celebrities with botched jobs. You would think that with all the resources at their disposal they would get the best. And if the best cant do it at least 90% of the time there's no way you're putting me under the needle of whoever I can afford.
Not that I really have a strong desire to get Botox right now, but I don't know who I'll be in the future.
- If there’s anything other than simply “very damaged personalities,”I think it’s probably a sense that as celebrities they need to freeze time or even turn it back to stay competitive in their field. When cosmetic procedures work, it’s because doctors communicate the limits of what can be achieved while passing for natural, the patient accepts that, and the work is done well. If any of those pillars breaks, it looks bad. If any of them breaks for a celebrity, it goes viral.
- The thing about plastic surgery is that even if it's well-done, it doesn't last very long. A person' face continues to change, sometimes even more rapidly than would otherwise have happened because of all the damage and trauma caused by the surgery itself. So when you see someone with "good" plastic surgery, you've really just captured them at that brief moment in time before it all goes to shit.
- Body dysmorphia due to yes-men around you and the plastic surgeon doing what customer wants.
How horrifying
Oh god, it’s like the before and after of ecce homo
I can't say who's better one is just shaved 🤷🏼‍♀️
- Before is his (mostly) natural face.
  After looks like he's wearing a mask of himself over his own face

Yeah guys get Botox.

I'm older lady and get seen as younger, but it's years of Retin-A and sunscreen and fitness. Occasional peels, micro needling, hotshot skincare but I don't love what Botox does to faces. If I was swimming in money I'd eventually get a facelift, but still would never want to do fillers or botox. Maybe the "biostimulatory" fillers that improve skin without adding volume if we ever get them here. Basically - I'm not opposed to interventions but specifically don't like the Botox look.

To myself I look my age but good for my age, not younger. But others seem to interpret that as younger.

This is the way to go IMO, live your age! People obsessed with being 20 when they are 40 (for example) probably need a shrink not a face lift.
Sunscreen (or just staying out of the nuclear reactors fallout, my skin is so white) and no stress is what I use 😎.

Botox really can help you look younger - it's not magic though, it'll never take you back to your 20s, and if you go overboard or it's poorly done you'll wind up with the classic botox lizard skin look (which generally means don't cheap out & vet your clinic). For touchup work though, and combined with a good (and sane) skincare regime, it can get some very impressive results.

(Personally I don't do it, but family members that do have found it really helps with their dysphoria about aging so... there's that!)

classic botox lizard skin look (which generally means don't cheap out & vet your clinic)
I saw "lizard skin" and initially read that as "don't cheap out on your vet clinic".
Also, dont get it done at some shitty medi-spa clinic that shares a parking lot with a Jimmy Johns. Go to a real dermatologist, a good one.
Yes it costs more, but it is your face. Not a thing you really want to cheap out on.
Beware places offering botox that also sell stupid stuff like led masks, overpriced skincare from weird brands that YouTube influencers peddle. Dont get it done at the dentists office (yes, some do it), dont get it done at a salon or chiropractor.
Dermatogist. A good one.

my advice, personally? if you're curious, get a Botox injection. it is temporary, exceedingly well-studied, and generally does not interact with any other precription medicine. If you don't like it, it will wear off, just don't get it again and you're gold.

however, do NOT get fillers done, because from what research has been coming out over the past few years, the general consensus is that fillers do not break down in the body, and merely migrate when the dermis loses tensity. you will almost certainly need to get them surgically removed, and that shit isn't as easy as just injecting it back out. Though, I understand that recent studies have opened up a method of using some new kind of radio wave mapping to determine where all the filler went so that they can actually suck it back out piece by piece.

Realistically, I should just do some type of facial skincare routine. I just wash my face and use face cream occasionally but I think I’ll google men’s skincare or something. I imagine it’s good for you but I’m not putting in the effort of a Botox or similar. I have other stuff I should probably prioritize first like trying to go vegetarian.
- I answered higher up, but sunscreen (I use mineral sunblock but the Korean chemical sunscreens are really good too) in the morning, and Retin-A (prescription 0.1%) at night are for sure the two best things you can do to keep your skin in good shape. Consistency really pays off. Even if you sometimes forget the sunscreen - putting it on day after day with a few misses is better than using it only when you think you need it.
  Men's face skin is slightly thicker than women's but otherwise the same, and superficially the same.
  
  Appreciate the response. I did search for a routine earlier and have a Retinol cream on the way. I also found a recommendation for eye cream as well so I’ll give that a try too. I forgot about the Korean sunscreen options as I read on Lemmy a while back that (in general) they tend to be of higher quality than anything domestic.

Worked with a guy a while back who got Botox. Guy was in his late 20s and hated his "wrinkles".

It's addictive, according to him.

It's a toxin that's injected into your body, so personally I wouldn't recommend it to any gender...

Everything's a toxin at a high enough dosage. And even at that dosage they can still be therapeutic. See: chemotherapy, as an extreme example.
With botox specifically, it has applications outside of just making lizard-faces. Off the top of my head, it's used as a treatment for migraines by injecting it into the back of the scalp - any swelling/filling effect it has is concealed by the hair anyway, unless the patient is bald.
- Botox is a paralytic that affects the muscle it's injected into. It does not do anything to skin, it just paralyzes the muscles in your face so you can't make the facial expressions that lead to wrinkles. The migraine prophylaxis treatment is based on the migraines stemming from tension headaches, so if you get headaches from something else, the Botox treatment won't work.
- Right, yeah, I am talking about purely cosmetic uses. There's always a risk associated with a botox injection, but if it can heal something or mitigate a different risk, it may be worth it.
  And botox is injected at a dosage where it is toxic. That's how it paralyzes the muscles. If it's accidentally injected into a vein or at somewhat too high of a dosage, you can have complications like botulism or death.
- Everything's a toxin at a high enough dosage.
  Stop there with the excuses, it's get's used because it's high enough dose to cause harm.

Yes, guys get Botox but there are things that are more attractive: handle nose hair, pluck ear hair, trim eyebrows, whiten teeth, remove skin tags, get a decent haircut regularly, work out.

You didn't even say do something about thinning hair, fuck yeah I got this down
- Don't worry about thnning hair, just take care of what you have!

My mom stopped coloring her hair as soon as they started graying, because she wants to "look her age". Take from that what you want.