Mad Laddicus
Mad Laddicus
Mad Laddicus
Reminder that there used to be a $1,000,000 prize available for anyone who could display any sort of supernatural powers that remained unclaimed for 20 years. The challenge rules required that both parties agree upon the test setup, and several people actually tried to claim it and all failed. It astounds me that anyone still believes in this nonsense and that it seems to be becoming even more popular to believe in literal magic and other supernatural idiocy.
There was that guy who could make almost anyone forget almost anything, he won the prize many times. :D
I am at the point where if anyone, ever, for any reason, asks me what my astrological sign is, I stop communicating with them.
They always turn out to be irresponsible, narcissistic idiots every time.
An exception would be if this interaction is taking place completely within the confines of an actually defined fantasy world like a video game or ttrpg.
But real life? People who actually believe there is, or could potentially be anything to astrology?
Dangerous morons.
Astrology is really dumb. I do have one curiosity with it. It's a big deal for hockey players to be born early in the year to the point you find fewer pros born in December and in the later months compared to January through March born hockey professionals.
One other thing, kids have birthdays every year and if they have their parties outside that means some kids are having snowy birthday parties and others are having sunny birthdays and plenty of crossover. The kinds of interactions you have with your friends will be slightly impacted* by how much outdoor gear you have to wear, etc. (*maybe imperceptibly)
But the point is there are at least two possible differences that come depending on which month you're born in. What if there are like a hundred of them and astrology is a really terrible way of trying to figure that out? Now I realize it's not so maybe a better question is I wonder if there is any version of birth month based assessments, correlations, or analyses that might be fruitful or useful in some way or another.
Ah yes James Randi, a man I have very mixed feelings on. He was a climate skeptic who would claim to have debunked people who never signed up for his challenge. A real scum bag in general. He was also a high School drop out with no training in the sciences.
Admittedly he called himself an "Honest Liar" and was motivated not by money but out of fear that people believed he had magic back when he was a magician.
Still given his character I tend not to take JREF too seriously.
I think the case for climate skeptic is a bit overblown. In his own words:
http://archive.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/806-i-am-not-qdenyingq-anything.html
The relevant quote:
My remarks, again, are directed at the complexity of determining whether this GW is anthropogenic or not. I do not deny that possibility. In fact, I accept it as quite probable.
Not sure what to make of the claim that he debunked people who never signed up for his challenge. There are a number of psychics and others that he has debunked that never signed up for the challenge (for example Uri Geller or Sylvia Browne) which this could be referring to, and I feel are valid debunking.
I have an interesting opinion on this. If someone displays "supernatural powers", then those powers are not supernatural--just unknown. Therefore, it is an impossible prize to claim.
If you read the article, the rules were only that both parties have to agree on a test and if someone passed the test they won the prize. There wasn't a "gotcha" clause like "Oh since you did it it's clearly allowed by physics and we don't have to pay up!" So like if someone showed they had psychic powers sufficient to pass an agreed upon test it doesn't matter if there's a natural explanation for it, they would have still won the prize.
I mean no one even managed to display "unknown" powers either.
They were all explainable
There’s a term for this idea, “preternatural”. It means a phenomenon that is the result of the natural world, not magic or divine, but still unexplainable with our current understanding.
James Randi’s prize didn’t require proof of the supernatural, it was open to preternatural phenomena as well. Someone just had to prove it was a REAL phenomenon and not a hoax or random chance.
I looked for the video and came across a reddit thread about it. Here are two really funny comments:
I think its rather silly to say the least especially since curses require a certain amount of anger and hatred that im sure next to nobody feels to this person.
Oh yeah that's why it didn't work
Magic requires willpower and intention to use properly. I doubt any of these randos on the internet actually possessed the genuine desire or emotional investment to actually curse a random guy on the internet who had heretofore never interacted with them
Anyone who actually understood this likely didnt rise to the bait.
No true witch!
So, they're saying that the magic is real, but I can't just go to a crazy old crone's potions shop and purchase a curse on someone because that's not how it works? Well, that's disappointing.
Edit: "no true witch" = hilarious
It's a take on the logical fallacy: No True Scotsman
Well, yeah. Didn’t you see that documentary The Craft? There’s also that really old documentary about life in like 15th century New England about that family that gets cursed by the witch and then the daughter joins a coven. They have footage of her flying. I think it was called The VVitch.
Honestly though, it does point out how stupid rage-baiting is. This guy genuinely thinks that they must care about his opinion and when they ignore him for being a weird little tit he spends a whole lot of effort to try to say that that’s proof that their thing isn’t real. For one it’s trying to prove a negative, and two it’s just such a weird, self-absorbed thing to do.
Chasing hate from others is such a weird thing to do. I don’t think magic is real but I’d still rather be friends with some random person who thinks it is than be anywhere near this fuckin’ douchebag.
I'm not defending the guy here (he does seem like a douchebag) but I think I'd rather hang out with a skeptic than someone dumb enough to believe crystals have healing energies.
Plus, the videos exist because the witches didn't ignore him. No shortage of magic-believers in the replies.
None of this is newsworthy but I'm cringing harder at the angry replies than the fact that he's rage baiting
Eroding your critical thinking to the point where your think magic is real can be damaging. I see this man as doing a public service no different than flat earth debunking. People need to understand BS when they see it and this guy is helping.
The witch subculture is on the same level as kids who start channeling their chi to kamehameha a bully
That's not true, the kids will figure out they're cosplaying eventually.
LIGHTNING BOLT
Anyone who watched that episode where Gohan taught Videl how to channel chi and didn't try it at home was probably too old to be watching the anime
… didn’t we all do this?
This is just a high effort version of "...Then may God strike me dead!" but targeting a spiritual minority instead if the hegemonic national religion. Shouldn't the amount of un-smited politicians indicate that there is no God?
it's a risky thing to do,
the vast majority of cases, you'll be right. but no one will care.
however, in the unlikely event where you suffer a immediate tragedy, like trip and break your nose, stroke, bird shits on you. you might start a new religion
Yeah, I got taken in like this for a while.
I grew up religious and one time prayed for a friend who was going to go though a couple of surgeries and would have to eat through a straw for a few months. I prayed that I could take some of the pain for him if needed. Turned out that I had a small accident and got my first stitches the next day and my friend was able to avoid additional months of recovery because the surgeon was able to do both operations at once. I took that as a sign that my prayer had worked and believed more strongly in God. For a while until I realized that coincidences can happen and that believing in God is pretty stupid.
Shouldn't the amount of any un-smited politicians prove any spiritual group that claims to have the ability to harm people wrong? I mean why are witches so mad that they can't hurt a random guy?
I can only actually name one politician that was smited
There's this one Turkish politician that got smited right after he said that Allah will judge Israel
Not quite the same. God (hypothetically) has their own plan, so if I pray for god to smite you, and they don't, then I can just say "well, I guess that's not God's plan". Whereas, if you believe in hexes and/or curses as something fundamentally different to a bog standard prayer, then presumably the hexer and/or curser has more agency over the result than that.
It's really funny how the "singular, omnipotent god" religions fucked up the logic behind prayers. When you had many gods and spirits and whatnot, a prayer not being heard could be taken as it not being stronger than another spirit/god, or the god of your choice ignoring you, or something else.
With omnimono, god has a plan, so prayers are either trying to convince him to change the plans (which, if assumed true, opens a very interesting can of theological worms), or will fall on deaf ears, as the plan won't change.
I think if God has a plan, then telling everyone he can smite people, then never doing it isn't a good look haha.
I wouldn't ever do this because as soon as anything went wrong in my life I'd never be able to shake the question that it was super natural. I'm extremely skeptical and don't believe in any supernatural things, but I have a fear of developing superstitions. Also when I get really stressed about my life and feel like it is particularly unfair I start to feel like there is some sort of external source of my problems and it's malevolent. So, doing something like this would be a recipe for problems for me lol.
is skeptical and doesn't believe in the supernatural
has a fear of developing superstition
Sounds to me like you've been cursed, mate.
I have a fear of developing superstitions
Ngl that sounds like a good horror-comedy
tbh I've just accepted that superstitions are part of the human psyche. I don't believe in "chi" in the sense of some energy that can be measured but there's definitely some kind of pattern recognition in the human subconscious that's processing the flow of the environment around them and the people in it that way. And a lot of cultures worldwide have longstanding traditions that guide the way they deal with that both in the sense of soothing that part of the subconscious but also trying to address whatever threat or goal in the environment that that pattern recognition is trying to draw attention to. I really enjoyed "Feng Shui Modern" by Cliff Tan if you want a really great explanation of concrete ways in which principles of that practice tend to help people feel safer in a space. He talks about things like the most common paths people take take through rooms, wanting to have your back against something solid, and not liking having beams and lights hanging directly over your head.
And personally I just try to keep the less concretely beneficial things to fun cultural traditions and other stuff I can connect with people around and avoid things that have been like, objectively disproven by modern science in some way or that would be specifically harmful to some specific circumstance / situation. So like carrying around an evil eye talisman is fine but using an herbal remedy that's been found to be harmful is not. And I find it's also helpful to think of it less in terms of specific effects / outcomes such as hexing, and more in terms of good energy / bad energy or good luck / bad luck. So the evil eye ward isn't protecting me from some specific thing, it's just a general hope that I'll avoid toxicity in my life. And there's a big mindfulness component to these things too; the talisman is also a reminder to yourself to avoid negativity and try to put positivity out into the world around you.
I like your world view!
There has to be a fancy name for this phobia.
A phobia of phobias? It's called Phobophobia.
Hmm, it seems "superstition" in Greek is "deisidaimonía", so maybe deisidaimophobia? Or we could go with Latin for the much more familiar "superstitio" for "superstitiophobia".
Do it again, but with the magical powers of theism instead of witchcraft.
I know there's at least one dead fireman that proves god protected Trump or so I'm told.
Well if he didn't die, it was just part of God's plan. Unless he did die. Then it was part of God's plan, obviously.
Classic theurgy vs thaumaturgy
You spot fake witches because they believe in magic instead of Magick. Being a witch is a spiritual practice, if curses actually worked the world would be very different (and way, way more fucked than it currently is)
I like the "headology," or the idea that what people believe is what is real.
“So people see you coming in the hat and the cloak and they know you’re a witch and that’s why your magic works?” said Esk.
“That’s right,” said Granny. “It’s called headology.” She tapped her silver hair, which was drawn into a tight bun that could crack rocks.
“But it’s not real!” Esk protested. “That’s not magic, it’s—it’s—”
“Listen,” said Granny, “If you give someone a bottle of red jollop for their wind it may work, right, but if you want it to work for sure then you let their mind make it work for them. Tell ’em it’s moonbeams bottled in fairy wine or something. Mumble over it a bit. It’s the same with cursing.”
-- Equal Rites, Terry Pratchett
Wicca was invented in 1954. They're all fake witches.
That's a linguistics debate. Are all Christians fake christians just because the god they believe in is an imaginary friend? Or are they real christians because they actively believe in their imaginary friend?
Or was your argument that the age of a belief lends creedence to it's legitimacy regardless of its truth value?
Nothing fails like prayer. Or magic, which is just a different flavor of prayer and vice versa.
When I used to be New Age I believed that not believing in magic gave you a resistance to it because Quantum...
Accepting the truth that magic ain't real was tough
As a kid I asked a friend's dad who was a chemist if magic was real and he replied "Do you think anyone would go into years of schooling for engineering if a shortcut existed?"
Like a reverse roko's bassilisk. Interesting. I mean that way around is at least comforting/ gives main character energy.
I mean I'd say I don't believe in witchcraft but I wouldn't take on this challenge, so I guess I do believe in witchcraft
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
Do I want a bunch of maladjusted internet weirdos to have a personal stake in my life going wrong? Do I fuck.
I'm not worried about Miss Cleo spoiling my aura, I'm worried about Charles le Sorcier finding my house.
i don't believe in witchcraft but I'm not bold enough to challenge people to hex me. not because it might work, but because i might just be unlucky enough that something completely irrelevant would happen to me and that would forever convince them they were right and i was wrong and i would never live that down.
it might even happen while I'm uploading the update to say that everything's fine. something would fall on my head or some shit, I can't take that risk.
This reminds me of some work drama...
My coworker was cursed by our bwitch of an 'assistant manager' for turning her down, and the next day his mom had hot oil splash up her whole arm and it looked bad.
Not supersticious but he was and he was terrified. It was horrible to watch.
This man is a true servant of The Emperor, the touch of Chaos must be resisted at all costs.
You know about Chaos? Time to exterminatus the planet to make sure this forbidden knowledge doesn't spread.
Moshi moshi, inquisitor-sama? Yes, these two up here, heretics
You want to preform Exterminatus on Holy Terra? HERESY!
I'm loosely pagan on a spiritual level and I vibe a lot with druidism and many of the things that witches do, but as much as I enjoy the culture, I never fail to cringe over the collective hubris of self-proclaimed witches. It's always the edgiest 30-45 year old women who wear House of 1000 Corpses t-shirts and extreme amounts of eye shadow, who post "Proud removed" memes on social media and exude an undeserved air of confidence because they believe so deeply their spells are real.
While I admit that Wicca is quite beautiful and largely misunderstood, the things most witches/hexers are practicing only date back a few decades. They're not speaking the ancient magicks or communing with old gods. I can't speak much on the divine feminine because I'm not informed enough on that subject, but for the other half of their belief system they have taken the rather ambiguous depiction of Cernunnos and turned him into a sexy, big-dicked goat man, and have fabricated their own lore to explain the workings of something that is in reality unfathomably old and lost to man, with no surviving origin story and little to no oral tradition.
We can certainly make some educated guesses, but the bulk of that information died with the druids.
Wicca and paganism in general has always had those cornball types. Back in the 70s and 80s, every tool who renamed themselves after a cool animal and weather condition/celestial body claimed to have a grandparent who secretly initiated them into an ancient unbroken lineage of witches. In the 90s and 00s, it was appropriation gone wild with white ladies from Iowa claiming they had a lineage in closed religious communities like conjure and Vodou. Now it's fucking deluded 20-somethings on TikTok who "godspouse" or work with Naruto characters.
It's not important that it only dates back a few decades. At one point, all supernatural belief systems only dated back a few decades, and look how they proliferate.
People represent it origins as far older. And by doing so, claim a more authentic mode of being in the world.
It's just like any other system of belief. You can sit around praying for something, or you can cast more effective hexes, such as "hit this guy with my car," or "actually give him poison."
Lets hope all these internet witches don't learn the power of direct action real magic.
I have a made up word I have never said to anyone.
Nobody claiming to be psychic has ever been able to detect it.
While it's a meaningless thing overall, it is endlessly entertaining to watch someone spiral from "trying" to discover it, to random guessing, to being angry and declaring that I'm lying and they got it the first time.
It's kinda like my secret. I have a secret I have never told anyone. It's another thing I will put before a self proclaimed psychic. Even once they progress to guessing, none have ever even thrown it out as an option.
And you'd be amazed how many self proclaimed psychics there are out in the world, and how many of them seem to really think they are psychic, to the degree that they'll accept someone presenting one or both of those challenges.
The made up word would be a difficult guess for sure. But my secret isn't something so rare that nobody could possibly hit on it as a guess.
I'm not willing to outright say that there's no thing that could be called psychic ability. What I am willing to say is that nobody has ever exhibited such, and likely never will
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Burrchismo
You stuck a hot wheel tire... '64 Corvette Stingray, up your nose as a child and it never came out
Easy peasy
Bro you didn't make up that word. You heard it on an episode of Always Sunny and forgot. I'd say it but honestly it's so close to a racial slur that I'd rather not risk it.
You have said it before, it was the last thing you said to Brian before he went out that night and... well I can sense there's a lot of unresolved drama there so I'll stop talking now
Anyway don't worry about Brian, in the great hereafter he became really good at Sudoku and is considering reincarnation on a planet in the Crab nebula. Interesting choice considering the people of that world are all female. Humanity won't discover them for about two weeks but first contact will be surprisingly underwhelming
Naw I'm messing with you. This was all stream of conciousness... but maybe I freaked someone out who thought I was serious.
I fucking loved it!
Is it "frint"?
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"You have a very protective aura, which is a good thing, since it serves as a natural protection and everyone has it. But this also means that I am not on the same kind of energy like you, which is why it is difficult for me."
Said a fortune teller once to my mother, who felt like she was being told bullshit. (Which is true, because fortune tellers and the like are a scam.) But such people will always find some bullshitty explanation to still save their face.
Beans
Melphosia
Snork
Bro that was a TV show
thousanfolcut, mr samurai
I feel like if the supernatural exists as portrayed by popular culture, then societies around the globe must have had a coordinated and lasting effort to snuff it out at every turn and would have to meticulously continue those efforts even today.
We could debate that the crusades, Salem witch trials, burning of the library in Alexandria, etc are all proof of this effort, but how could anyone really prove it? And would knowing it is real and it is just not accessible make things any better?
Honestly, as much as the idea of controlling forces not inherently responsive to my own command is intriguing. Realistically it would add a whole new level of messed up to our already botched attempt at existence as a species.
I prefer to think of magic as simply the science we haven’t yet discovered.
What do you think someone from a few centuries ago would say about the technology we have today?
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Two sips of water counter the next spell cast your way, no wonder he's having such an easy time avoiding them
Witches are chill. Wizards are fucking nerds tho.
Update: doctor says I have a nasty torsion. Pray for me fellas.
That’s why I went with being a warlock, sold my soul for rock and roll.
Should have gone for magic, though, turns out rock and roll is very accessible without making a bargain with a demon.
those poor nerds, a wizard is not a source of good sexual education
Reminds me of this classic: https://old.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/hvy31q/witchcraft_hexing_the_moon/
I'm curious to what you all think of this:
No, we're not referring to your beloved Atari Pong paddles -- we're talking about your brain. The EPOC uses a headset that actually picks up on your brain waves. These brain waves can tell the system what you want to do in your virtual reality. In other words, you think "lift," and a virtual rock actually levitates on the screen.
Magic or nah?
Not magic, of course. It's science.
The elctrical activity in your brain is measurable by electrodes placed on your skull. What we then get is called an electro-encephalogram, short: EEG. Although they rather measure a summation of activity rather than individual neurons. Still, this allows to draw some conclusions and has been widely used in neuromedicine.
For instance, it can help to diagnose epilepsy, or investigate sleep quality. In contexts of the Emotiv, to put it simply, it rather measures levels of concentration than actual thoughts.
But, with sufficient training you can enable such a system to perform a bit more complex tasks, like opening or closing a mechanical hand, driving a wheelchair in a simple mamner, etc.. Although, from my experience, the applications are very limited and unstable.
What if, hear me out, there are a few people that can sense that activity when others can't? Kind of like how some people see sounds and hear color. Since all of you all can't really sense that shit, you are relentless against people who can. It's interesting to me. I wonder how that first scientist figured this shit out. Do you know?
Well, at the moment I don't understand how it works, and any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic, but if I follow the link titled "How the Emotiv EPOC Works" then it will remove the mystery, thus making it distinguishable from magic.
So what you're saying is half the world is magic because we don't know anything about half the world. We have theories, but they can't or haven't been proven yet. Naming it and harnessing it doesn't mean we really get how it works. Reading people's thoughts is supposed to be impossible according to most of this thread. Turns out, they've been doing it for close to 2 decades.