3w ago

European Citizens' Initiative to "Stop Destroying Videogames" is missing ridiculously low thresholds.

citizens-initiative.europa.eu

Initiative detail | European Citizens' Initiative

Country	Statements of support	Threshold	Percentage	Signatures required
Austria	10162	13395	75.86%	3233
Belgium	13911	14805	93.96%	894
Bulgaria	4597	11985	38.36%	7388
Croatia	4163	8460	49.21%	4297
Cyprus	565	4230	13.36%	3665
Czechia	7421	14805	50.12%	7384
Denmark	12032	9870	121.90%	0
Estonia	3035	4935	61.50%	1900
Finland	15319	9870	155.21%	0
France	49153	55695	88.25%	6542
Germany	98063	67680	144.89%	0
Greece	5018	14805	33.89%	9787
Hungary	9902	14805	66.88%	4903
Ireland	10353	9165	112.96%	0
Italy	24712	53580	46.12%	28868
Latvia	2679	5640	47.50%	2961
Lithuania	5123	7755	66.06%	2632
Luxembourg	946	4230	22.36%	3284
Malta	533	4230	12.60%	3697
Netherlands	26374	20445	129.00%	0
Poland	53599	36660	146.21%	0
Portugal	8402	14805	56.75%	6403
Romania	12377	23265	53.20%	10888
Slovakia	4987	9870	50.53%	4883
Slovenia	2473	5640	43.85%	3167
Spain	36391	41595	87.49%	5204
Sweden	19849	14805	134.07%	0

Just under 3000-4000 people are required per country in Lithuania, Latvia, Malta and Luxembourg. Come on now... that's a small town and in some places even just a village. Are there really that few gamers in those countries?

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Those thresholds are irrelevant because they've been crossed in seven countries already, the important bit is getting another 560k votes from anywhere (in the EU).
The actual hurdle is those 1m votes, any initiative that is not completely lopsided will take the per-country hurdles with ease, as you can tell by this initiative having achieved that while not yet having half of the votes it needs. In fact taking all the thresholds together you wouldn't reach 1m votes but ~0.5m, that is by design.
That's not to say that it'd be a bad idea to do pushes in certain countries, particularly large ones which are less hooked into English media than the usual suspects. By population: France, Italy, Spain, Romania, Belgium is covered by Netherlands+France, Czechia, Portugal, Greece, that's all >=10m member states lagging behind. No point in going after Sweden or the Netherlands people there are already in the loop, and Poland seems to have rallied itself.
- Yeah, nevermind then. Let's do nothing. Might as well just twiddle our thumbs and hope the large countries find another 500k people to sign the initiative. The small countries can be ignored 🤷‍♂
  
  You're being helped with info on where you can get the biggest return on your efforts, not being told to do nothing. Your reply is kind of rude if you ask me.
  
  hey, we need a final push for these countries
  nah, shut up, they are irrelevant, concentrate on these instead
  sarcastic response
  the person telling you to shut up is being helpful, your sarcasm is rude
  OK.
  
  Theyre not telling you to shut up, they're telling you the required treshold is reached and explaining to you there is no point in giving these countries 'a final push' so go home and actually read that comment.
  
  They are dismissing the value of getting more of those small countries on board. Getting them past the threshold could also have an effect on the gamers in those countries. Who knows what kinds of people may have been untapped. Discarding them as irrelevant is counter-productive.
  "Shut up, let the big boys do the lifting". It's the same attitudes that are pervasive throughout the union. The voices of those small countries are important. The line of thinking that small countries don't matter fits very well with the "I'm just one person, so if I don't vote, nobody will care". We should be encouraging our brethren from smaller countries to be part of the democratic process instead of just excluding them. The Union wouldn't listen to the Eastern States after Crimea's invasion in 2014 and shrugged them off during the renewed invasion.
  Imagine if we said the same thing about queers. "Nah, we don't need their votes, they're irrelevant, let's focus on the hets".
  So yes, the implication of irrelevance bothers me because it's deeper than just this issue.
  
  You are annoying and stubborn.
  
  ikr
  
  It isn't the votes that are irrelevant, it's the treshold. Just please read the explanation why that is, to me it sounds like you only read the first 4 or 5 words of that comment.
  
  I don't think you're reading my comment in its entirety.
  So yes, the implication of irrelevance bothers me because it's deeper than just this issue.
  This is the important bit.
  
  I did read it, i totally agree with you but me nor the person who wrote that comment said those votes or the people are irrelevant. What is irrelevant is reaching another treshold because there are already 7 met which is one of the two conditions. The one condition that isn't met is the total of 1m regardless of nationality. I didn't want to repeat the guy but apparently I have patience left to explain it. Wouldn't need to if you'd just read the first comment instead of fighting everybody.
  
  "Everybody". It's just you mate 🤷‍♂ And for a fight, I find this quite civil.
  
  Wild guess, but I don't think the people close to you are likely to agree with that.

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