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You really think this makes progressives look bad? Why has your entire output on this platform become shitting on progressives for not doing enough when they are the ones doing the most?.
I suppose I should thank you for giving my comment more reach, it seems that more people need to hear this.
Edit: Adding another comment I made to address the point you seem to be clumsily making with this post:
The reason MAGA was able to take over the GOP so easily while the progressives have struggled to take over the DNC is because MAGA had (and still has) the backing of several large donors and owners of mainstream media. The entire mainstream media apparatus has been outright hostile to progressives until very recently, and even now they are reluctant to give full support.
The fact is that Progressives have a much harder fight than fascists because our ideas represent a tangible threat to the wealth and privilege of those in power while fascists' ideas only threaten the powerless (at least at first, many of these wealthy people who are complicit in the rise of fascism will find themselves against the wall too eventually, but they are shortsighted).
- MAGA took over the entire government so remind me how the progressives are doing the most, please?
  
  Holy shit it's like talking to a brick wall. Is it not possible in your mind for someone to be doing more and achieving less? You want to maybe respond to the points I made about how progressives have to do everything without media or financial support while MAGA has had the backing of extremely wealthy people?
  Beyond that, progressives don't just lack support from wealthy donors, the wealthy actively oppose everything we do and even regularly smear us in the media. If you're such a smart guy and know what we should be doing, why aren't you doing it? I promise you progressives are open to new ideas, we're trying everything and then some.
  
  If someone is doing more and achieving less that just proves they suck at what they are doing.
  
  Or what they're trying to do is way harder than what others are trying to do. Again, you continue to criticize progressives for not achieving enough while offering no solutions. Tell me, what do you think progressives should be doing instead?
  
  Oh no I’m sorry you’re right.
  They should keep on arguing amongst themselves about who is ideologically pure enough for them to support because that’s obviously working well.
  
  So you think that progressives should be supporting neoliberals because they are the lesser evil, like how Bernie endorsed Biden and Harris? Funny how that worked out.
  Oh, I suppose you mean progressive voters. Hold on just a sec, I'll go turn on my mind control machine that I conveniently have in my basement. Can't believe I didn't think to use it to make people vote for Harris, doh!
  Jokes aside, if you want people to vote for a candidate that candidate actually has to give the people something to vote for, not just something to vote against. The progressives have that and the neoliberals don't. Unfortunately the neoliberals have something that progressives don't, corporate PAC money and mainstream media support.
  I did vote for the lesser evil BTW, for all the good it did me. I stand by my vote but I know that most people are less informed and engaged than I am, so the lesser evil argument just doesn't work on them. You can spend all your energy being angry and bitter about that or you can do something about it, your choice.
  
  The progressives don’t have a party or a candidate because they have the organizational skills of twitch plays Pokémon.
  
  Are you being obtuse on purpose or are you genuinely just like this?
  
  No I’m making valid points but you’re too partisan to listen.
  
  All you've been doing is dodging all my questions with snide remarks. Sure I'm partisan and clearly so are you, but can't you at least try to argue in good faith? I'm only still having this conversation with you because you are a very prolific poster and your output has genuine influence in the politics@lemmy.world community. If we can have a genuine discussion about how to fight fascism going forward I think it could be very productive.
  
  Do you know HOW MAGA took over the Republican party? They went out and did rallies. They campaigned in working class areas. They did town halls. They went on podcasts. They used social media. And most importantly, they ran primary challenges against Republican incumbents who didn't get in line with their messaging.
  So, what are progressives doing? They're doing exactly what MAGA did, to take over the Republican party.
  
  MAGA did it in one coherent direction and the progressives are fighting with themselves about how ideologically pure they are.
  
  MAGA did it with enormous amounts of money, coming from billionaires with a plan. That's the difference. The MAGA movement sprang out of the Tea Party, which was an astroturfed takeover by the Koch brothers and their circle of investors.
  The US progressive movement is a legitimate grassroots movement. You can't expect them all to be "on-brand", when they aren't all getting paid to read from the same script.
  
  Yeah that’s why the progressives will never be effective.
  
  You post a meme, that rightly points out how progressives are doing exactly what the Tea Party did to successfully take over the GOP...but then claim that they'll never succeed, because they aren't bought off by billionaires?
  Lol! How does your brain even make that attempt at logic, without short-circuiting? Because reading that is pretty cringeworthy.
  
  Have you read the comments here?
  Progressives don’t need anyone but other progressives to be defeated.
  
  And are you one of those self-hating progressives?

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