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Well, you see. The man has a penis, therefore he is at higher risk of violence than women.
Wait, no. It's the opposite.
- Cis men experience more of every non-sexual form of violence than cis women on average, to the point where they experience more incidents of overall violence.
  
  The fun part is when you start digging into where that violence is coming from....
  
  For amybody experiencing violence, how is that important?
  
  To identify the source of the problem? Address it?
  
  Sure, but that's not the perspective of someone who is experiencing violence.
  Someone said "men are more likely to experience violence" and the fact that this violence is also coming from men doesn't change much. There is no 'men convention' where it's put up to votes the way men collectively will act - unfortunately.
  
  So, did you bring this up as a problem where a solution should occur, or just asking to feel sorry for them? To the person experiencing violence, sure, we could recommend therapy, or be empathetic, but if we do nothing to address the root cause it won't stop it at best,and at worst we start victim blaming.
  This post is more about the cause not wanting to understand they're the issue, and you brought in another issue caused by the same toxic masculinity, then got defensive when that was pointed out.
  To want empathy for your problems is natural. If you just want empathy and not a solution, there is a time and place for that too. However what you are doing here is either trying to derail the conversation, or making it about something that wasn't the original convo(usually done by someone making it about themselves, but I don't know you enough to make that specific of an accusation).
  If you want to fight for mens rights and proper treatment, that's wonderful. However doing it by attacking/derailing women complaining about the same issues is not. It's closer to when women's suffrage movement wanted only freedom for white women.
  
  and you brought in another issue caused by the same toxic masculinity
  To be clear, someone else did.
  The fact that someone answered to "actually males are more likely to experience violence" with "eh, but go look who does that violence" prompted my comment.
  And it almost sounds like somehow the focus switched from the victim to the cause, when the victims are men. This is the cause why I decided to comment. Almost like violence and protection of who experiences matters depending on who is experiencing it, as if there would be any difference from a woman or a man experiencing violence, whether it is from a man or a woman.
  However what you are doing here is either trying to derail the conversation, or making it about something that wasn't the original convo
  If this is your argument, it is a weak one, because I specifically commented in a child thread about this very topic, in response to a very dismissive comment (from my POV). There is no conversation that I am hijacking nor it was me who brought up violence on men on the first place.
  However doing it by attacking/derailing women complaining about the same issues is not
  Thankfully neither happened.
  
  I'd like to make a longer response but something here at work blew up, so I'll just say fair. I don't completely agree that there wasn't some sort of derailing, but you weren't the one who did it, and it can be argued the top level comment was the reason for it anyway.
  
  Technically, we can do both. This is not an either or situation. I feel that the awareness train is rolling well for the victims (and should not be stopping), we are needing to now focus upstream so hurt people stop hurting people as well.
- A lot of trans women who possess penises are at extreme risk of violence from men.
  
  And trans men experience struggles with an epidemic of both sexual abuse and domestic violence, which is basically not studied at all.
  
  Yes, but they are still women, and I specifically was referring to men with penises.
  Checkmate, atheists.
  
  I know, I was just being the required-by-law annoying leftist.

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