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lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or "great leaders and allies to the cause", most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.
They are, in reality, removed-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.
- Damn it all. They didn't disclose how I was supposed to behave during the sign up process.
  
  The downside of anything decentralized is that only community pressure reduces scams.
  
  Yeah it's a big trick because the ML owners are Tankie scum but they're also the lead developers and I think the own the page which recommends instances.
- JFC son this is not a roast this is a fucking napalm strike, god damn.
- New user checking in, did you use the two asterisks or the pound sign?
  
  Pound, check out Markdown syntax somewhere online. There's a ton of different flavors, but most of the basics (headings/bold/italics/links/etc) are the same.
  
  The asterisks work for italicized characters, but the c-squared(pound) sign didn't. Maybe cause we're on different instances?
  
  Did you put a space between the pound and your text?
  
  # should look like this
  
  Thank you! I'm still used to Reddit markdown.
- So, tankies? At first I got attracted by the leftist/communist/socialist branding of the instance, but at the time the concept of fediverse was too complex for me when I first registered there so I deleted my account. I'm glad I did, then lol, supporting Putin, Xi, Kim just because they are "the left" is like supporting Hitler just because he is "the right".
- So I'm 100% on board with most of what you said but... What on earth does 'removed-made' mean? It's setting off my women-hating red flags.
  I googled it and scrolled down and got some garbage about a man raised by women, so I have concerns.
  
  removed-made, in the literal sense, as in "of ill birth from a mangy female dog".
  I have heard it used in common street language where I'm from from both men and women, gay and straight.
  
  I appreciate your vehemence and the vigor with which you make your point, and also agree with your point. I only had issue with that particular insult because in my culture, it does initially read as misogynist. I figured I'd ask if you meant it that way because you probably didn't.
  
  I agree, I don't particularly care about shitting on Putin or any other world leader, it's the thinly veiled misogyny/whatever at 'enemies' broadly with people gleefully encouraging it which makes me respond negatively
  
  Diva, we disagree on a lot of things, and we agree on others, which makes you (genuinely) so much fun for me to see in a thread.
  I just told people on another thread that (because of my trauma background) I don't feel anger very often, which means I appreciate folks like you (and conversely, maybe, Rusty here) because I see you leap straight to it with abandon.
  I guess what I'm saying is, it takes all kinds to make a world, and I'm glad you're in it.
  
  Thank you, the feeling is mutual! 😊
- That was beautifully put.
  
  Thank you.
- More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.
  
  "If you don't support Russia, you don't understand international geopolitics " ~dessalines
  
  Ffs. Yes, supporting Russia's invasion is a step too far. However, there is a valid point to be made regarding the West's geopolitical maneuvers leading up to the invasion. NATO expanding east after promising not an inch further, supporting regime change in Ukraine, crossing more of Russia's "red lines," etc. Again, I want to stress that the invasion is morally reprehensible, but it's clear why they did it from a geopolitical standpoint.
  
  Nobody is talking about why Russia did what they did and realistically there's nothing majorly wrong with NATO, it's an alliance of mostly EU countries to band together to prevent another world war and to protect themselves from "another Germany" and Russia has done absolutely nothing over the past 20+ years to assure people that they won't attack NATO EU countries. Quite the opposite in fact.
  In any case, I have them parroting Russia narratives/misinformation here: https://lemmy.world/post/27314050 here: https://lemmy.world/post/27012640 and here https://lemmy.world/post/27288224 shows censoring of people even merely express that EU is also right to be concerned of Chinese and Russian militaries on their front lawn
  
  I agree there's nothing inherently wrong with NATO, but I think you have some of the NATO basics wrong. NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian alliance. There wouldn't be a NATO if there wasn't a Soviet Union, that's not up for debate. Russia wanted to join NATO at one point, ffs. Russia has done a lot fairly recently to show they won't attack NATO countries. For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they're afraid of NATO and don't want to fight it.
  
  NATO was very much an anti-Soviet and then anti-Russian
  Right, because they were considered the biggest threat, if any country was going to go "Germany" it would be Russia/USSR.
  Russia wanted to join NATO
  That doesn't prove anything, Russia excels at Intelligence programs, so if anything there were ulterior motives. "Russia. Crap military, fantastic intelligence agency" ~Some comment I saw here once.
  For example, they attacked Georgia and then Ukraine to prevent them from joining NATO. Clearly they're afraid of NATO and don't want to fight it.
  Are you serious? Attacking sovereign countries to show other sovereign countries in an alliance that you won't attack them?
  Yea no, he doesn't want to attack NATO yet, he wants to slow down its growth because he wants Russias military growth to outpace it first. Then when he feels good and ready then will be the attack.
  Unlike Drump, Putler isn't stupid, he has a plan and he's executing it. And a big thing about plans, you generally want to take certain actions at certain times
  
  Okay great, we agree on the first quote. Why'd you use Germany as an example instead of Russia?
  Second point. You think Russia is super sneaky or something? If they were, then how'd they lose Ukraine and had to invade? They're clearly lacking when compared to the West.
  Third point, yeah, I'm serious. Russia won't attack NATO. They clearly don't want to fight NATO, hence preventing countries within their sphere of influence from joining NATO. Russia would get wrecked even if they somehow won. It's not worth it and if NATO was somehow weak enough that Russia could win, then they wouldn't need to fight. They could coerce/incentivize without invading.
  
  You're very misinformed or just intentionally misrepresenting history here. If you think Russia was ever going to join nato in good faith even if allowed, you're a silly child.
  
  My dear downvoted friend! I think this perfectly answers @Vegeta@lemmy.ca question. If you have any viewpoint outside what is "political correct" you get downvoted, even just saying what the NATO Secretary General Jens "Warmonger" Stoltenberg gloated himself:
  So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.
  So what are socialists to do? They can't help it! And the only thing liberals hate more than fascists are socialists, especially the dirtbag left when they get a little snippy.
  
  Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.
  I have seen evidence to the contrary.
  Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
  
  I have seen evidence to the contrary.
  where the fuck are you finding it? i hang out in these instances often and will rarely see it.
  
  !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
  Oh wait you're on .ml and the admins have censored it from you so you'll have to use this link: https://lemmy.world/c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
  
  Then link it. You’re full of shit.
  
  This guy did a lot of the work for me.
  
  Gathered all by the same dude
  Uses his own posts as evidence
  Considers anarchist instances tankie instances
  So if I gather my own posts as a citation for my own claims that's valid too?
  
  Did you actually read through their links? Because if you did, I don’t think you’d be this confident.
  
  I have. I stand by everything I've written in this post.
  
  Well, I read through them, and they are definitely not making the point that y’all are trying to make. I assume you’re counting on other people not going through them.
  
  👍🏽
  
  Exactly what Rusty wants. I clicked, I checked, saw bad/faulty evidence along the lines of those people who claim "the left wants to remove X" with a tweet with 4 likes.
  I can ignore any claims they want now, since I know they don't want people to read beyond headlines.
  
  I suspect rusty may be a cm0002 alt or colleague. When one starts to drown in comment pushback, the other usually shows up.
  Either way, both can be ignored for the same reasons.
  
  Makes sense honestly with how much they love each other and treat each other as gospel. And they claim Russians bots are a thing.
  I'll probably block him like I blocked cm0002 for being an insufferable troll.
  
  The bad part is that they support him, whether or not they consider him a real leftist is less important
- hey look a post from a lib that's so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can't contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷
  
  I'm gonna show your comment to my wife, and one of my best friends, at whose gay wedding, I will be speaking. Congrats! You're in the speech! Let's face it, we all need to laugh more in life, and judging by your reaction, I prefer to do it at your expense.
  So please, cry harder, because I need more material!
  🫶🏽🥂
  
  'jokes on you, I have gay friends'
  -the person posting homophobia
  maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.
  
  How the hell are you reading homophobia into the original comment?
  
  'verbally fellating" is kind of the tipoff
  the misogyny is the second paragraph
  
  Everybody hear that? All fellatio is automatically gay. Anybody recieving or giving is gay, there is no such thing as a straight man and woman using their mouth during sex.
  Follow Diva for more Kremlin certified intercourse tips, and if you don't follow Putin's demands you will be sent to labor camps.
  
  It's true. Pretty sure I read that on an Andrew Tate post before I left Twitter, I believe he is some kind of gay authority?
  
  🙄
  
  😇
  
  This right here is why ML has the reputation it does.
  
  You are literally inventing things to be outraged about. Do you just really enjoy conflict and drama?
  
  If people are going to talk shit you can bet I'm going to point out when their shit stinks.
  
  You are the instigator here, don't twist the facts.
  
  And yet you live in the manure storage dept.
  Your nose is broken
  
  ML has the reputation it does because most westerners believe the red scare propaganda.
  most arguments against it by the aforementioned people have a shaky connection to reality at best.
  
  ML has the reputation it does because most westerners believe all the red scare propaganda.
  No, it really is mostly the dog-shit method of interacting you've seen above. That and yelling yourselves it's the propaganda and not your complete lack of social skills that are the problem
  
  talk about shaky arguments, thanks for proving my point immediately!
  you expect us to be nice and friendly to people keen on shitting on us at every opportunity? who is really lacking social skills here? i don't think what you hate is the way we talk.
  
  No, I expect you to use basic logic when talking with others, which evidently you also fail at since you thought this was about being nice?
  who is really lacking social skills here?
  You, still, holy shit
  don't think what you hate is the way we talk.
  No, it's the way you argue like shit and act like you've made some smart point. It's exactly like dealing with MAGAts
  
  As I've said before, it doesn't matter if you suck dick or not. It does matter whose dick your sucking (proverbially), which in this case would be Putin, Jingping, et. al.
  
  In the last year I saw way more people being supportive of genocidal libs like Biden and Harris, I judge those people pretty harshly too
  
  "wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?"
  One can hate "The West", their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.
  Doesn't mean one should suck dictators' proverbial dicks because they're "not The West".
  
  banning people for being weirdly racist/homophobic/misogynistic about geopolitical enemies doesn't equal uncritical support for those state enemies
  
  Keep malding about nothing.
  
  maybe you should read your comments first at your hypothetical wedding, see how it goes over.
  I intend to! What a perfect moment to highlight the exploits of edgelords on the internet. I'm sure I'll be strenuously heckled and ostracized for condemning and deriding supporters of Putin, the CCP, and the DPRK on the internet there.
  It's in June, back home in Chicago, so it'll be a joyous affair, of which you're an expert of, no doubt.
  
  I'm sure homophobic insults will go over great with the people you associate with.
  
  There's nothing homophobic about what I said.
  
  I'm sure all your gay friends approve👍
  
  I have no doubt. 👍🏽