1y ago

A new trend in tipping emerges

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Nobody but your boss has to give you the pay you deserve
- You're not wrong, but anyone who leaves shit like this or the stupid church dollars as a tip is a special kind of asshole.
- Who the fuck is downvoting this?
  
  14 people
  
  You're not wrong.
  
  But they also didn't answer the question. They said how many, not who.
  
  Restaurant owners
  
  Servers making bank.
- If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out or order delivery. Just because the tip system is a terrible system doesn't mean you have an excuse to fuck over the victims of it.
  Until there's a national strike on tipping that could lead thousands of tip reliant workers to quit (like the writers strike), be a decent person and have some sympathy. Instead of eating out and not tipping, don't eat out. The restaurant gets the same amount of money whether you tip or not, I guarantee they don't give a shit.
  
  I have sympathy for underpaid workers. But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such. Actually your commands sound a bit condescending.
  
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  Instead of eating out and not tipping, don’t eat out. The restaurant gets the same amount of money whether you tip or not, I guarantee they don’t give a shit.
  This isn't a "just said", it's a fact. Not tipping isn't a protest, it's a self-imposed discount at the expense of the worker. The business owner makes exactly the same money, the only one who suffers is the underpaid worker.
  
  "I have sympathy for underpaid workers."
  ...but they should feed me while I do nothing to help them, instead I'll be here actively enriching the people exploiting their labor.
  "But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such."
  I'm sure that sounded cool in concept, but basically all this says is that you find the idea of changing your mind due to dialog silly. How sad.
  "Actually your commands sound a bit condescending"
  Oh wow, I hope my analysis doesn't come across like that. You might stop tipping - oh, wait...
  
  All good points. But since tipping is supporting this broken system, and not tipping seems to be worse, what do you suggest then?
  I could just not go out, sure. Just stay out of it. If enough people do that, this wil lead to less customers, more employers closing their business, more employers loosing the job they couldn't afford to quit. I don't see how that helps either.
  So I'm listening. What do you suggest?
  
  If you can't afford to live without tips, don't volunteer to become a potential victim of a terrible system.
  
  If it wasn't so depressing I might find it funny you think people work in bad environments because they want to.
  Minimum wage is not a livable wage, I shouldn't have to tell you this. Your arrogance is genuinely disgusting.
  
  And I find the arrogance of telling people if they can't afford to tip, they shouldn't eat out disgusting. If they can afford it and are just being cheap, that's one thing, but you don't get to act all morally superior while being arrogant the other direction.
  
  If you can't afford something you shouldn't buy it. Just because you don't agree with the system doesn't mean you get to ignore it and then justify it by taking a moral high ground.
  You know the servers wages are dependent on tips and you choose not to pay them. THAT is the social contract. Whether you agree with it or not.
  If you cared about changing the system you'd take steps to change it without screwing the workers. You're just being cheap.
  
  I tip. But there's a difference between "I know the system is terrible, but I rely on tips and would really appreciate it if you're able" and "Don't go out if you can't afford to tip." The second is arrogant and condescending. Not being an asshole goes both ways.
  
  No. It's not. Don't go somewhere you can't afford (including the tip) is not arrogant.
  
  I really should stop going to places that need me to tip. I need to save up my money after my mistakes ruined my life yet again. Im so tired of never being able to make mistakes without nearly losing everything
  
  I see what you mean, but I'm not the one fucking over the employees.
  On the short term you are right, but as long as customers keeps tipping, the system works well enough for nothing to change.
  The more people stops tipping, the closer we get to change.
  And I'm sorry that the change will hurt the employees, but it's not my battle. And tipping does not support the employees battle, just this days income.
  Tell me another way I can support their battle, and I'll listen.
  (I tip when the employees seems to rely on it, or if I feel extraordinarily well serviced.)
  
  Right, lemme just go on a hunger strike to should stop the most predatory Capitalists in existence /s
  
  You do know there are many places to get food without table service, right?
  
  Are you incapable of feeding yourself?
- That's actually inaccurate.
  You can be charged for theft of service for refusing to tip someone. It's happened.
  
  Then it's not a tip, it's wages the customer is expected to pay.

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