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Who Wants To Be A Lemming

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tbf, Caitlin Clark is the only WNBA player that’s profitable, and she’s kinda limited salary wise by the fact that the women’s league in general is not profitable and heavily subsidised by the NBA.
People will removed about how the men’s league gets paid so much in comparison, then proceed to not watch the women’s league…
If you want it to make money YOU need to support it 🫵
- This has always been my stance, Women make up approximately 50% of the population and the WNBA generates 2% of the revenue that the NBA does...
  My wife and her friends go to some restaraunt once a month and they buy brand name workout clothes. Go to a game, buy a jersey, take your daughter and make it a thing.
- This is a great response. If you want to support them, great! Donate, volunteer, watch their games, whatever. For the rest of us, it's an entertainment product. I don't watch WNBA because I don't watch NBA, or any sports. But if you like basketball, yet draw the line at the players' genitals, that's weird.
  
  I would think that the kind of people who watch NBA, would want to watch the WNBA.
  It's the same concepts, but with women. I would think the mostly straight/male sports audience would want to watch their favorite sport where the players are also the gender they like to stare at.
  Yet, here we are.
  
  Have you ever seen a WNBA game? Sure, it's the same sport but that logic applies to middle school basketball teams as well and no one gives a shit about those either regardless of the gender of the athletes involved.
  The reason professional sports are fun to watch is you get to see the best athletes in the world push the limits of what is physically possible for a human to achieve. Top level women cannot compete with top level men in any regularly televised sport, including basketball. No one wants to watch Caitlin Clark on channel 3 when LeBron James is doing way more impressive things on channel 6. That's just the way it is. I don't get why people pretend that isn't obvious and get offended by it.
  
  They should allow light gymnastics in the WNBA to even up the entertainment value. A series of backflips down the court before hitting nothing but net on a 3 would sure get my attention.
  
  Have you ever seen a WNBA game?
  Nope. Can't say that I have. I've also never watched an NBA game.
  I'm not the target audience. I'm just commenting from an outsiders perspective. I don't "get" it, and I don't expect to.
  Have a good day.
  
  Their seasons don't really overlap tho, you're not missing LeBron by watching Caitlin Clark.
  
  It overlaps with other sports where we can see the competition to be the best in the world at another sport.
  
  Ok but that wasn't the point the person I was responding to was making.
  
  The point of WNBA is not to look pretty. They are there because they are good.
  If straight men want to look at women there's plenty of environments where the point is that the women are pretty.
- It's totally unfair to use Caitlin Clark as an example of the pay disparity as well. She's a rookie on a pay scale. Her salary is less than half the average wnba salary. What's really crazy to me is that the average salary is about 150k with only one woman making over 250k. For the salaries to be that flat seems odd compared to other pro sports but it's just a part of the W having less revenue. Athletes have very strong unions also.
  
  It's totally unfair to use Caitlin Clark as an example of the pay disparity as well
  Dunno. It was comparing rookie against rookie.
  250k is 4x the rookie salary. Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant and Nikola Jokic are also around 4x the 12m quoted salary.
  
  Average NBA salary is about 10 million. So Wemby is getting paid like 120% the average in his league. Clark is getting about 50% the average in her league.
- Is bill burr on lemmy?
- In Brazil, is even more common now to people gather to watch the women football national team, not at the level of the men one, but there's even companies where they close up when any of the two teams play, to give people opportunity to see the game.
- I'm gonna bet that corporate executives are bigoted assholes and increases in profits won't substantially go to the women players.
  
  The WNBA is currently operating at a loss.
  Players in the WNBA are unionized and if and when the WNBA starts turning a profit they will be compensated.
  To put things in perspective, the WNBA makes less than 1% of the revenue of the NBA. They got a long way to go before they're making anything near to what the NBA players make.
- I don't like watching basketball (love playing it, though), but oddly enough I know of more people that go to WNBA games than NBA games, which comes to think of it seems odd. Maybe the seats are a lot less expensive...
  
  You can sometimes buy season tickets to the WNBA for the price of similar single-game NBA seats.
- Caitlyn Clark should launch her own merch store or something.
- Why does nobody watch the women’s leagues? Is it because nobody else does? can’t have all the social aspects of sports if nobody else is doing it.
  Imo, they need to stop the segregation. Ditch the women’s leagues, but keep the games and teams. Have both teams play in one league, and contribute to the overall score of the team.
  It’ll add new strategy to the seasons. Spend all of your budget on the dudes and hope they keep winning despite the ladies; build a strong women’s team to carry your b-tier men’s team; or something in between.
  
  This results in zero women playing sports.
  I wish so much that the top women athletes were above the replacement level. It would create so much interest, we could all root for these women. It would be a benefit in terms of equal rights arguments when you could point to a woman being better at a sport than the men.
  But unfortunately that's just not reality. Male replacement level players are better than the best of the best female players. Having women on a team means having a player that's below replacement level on the team. Meaning they could find a male player from a minor league team that could play better. This will never be a winning strategy.
  There isn't really a rule that prevents women from competing at the top level in professional sports at the top level. There just isn't any women that can compete at that level. I remember around 20 years ago there was a woman goaltender that was really good and there were hopes she might be good enough to play in the NHL. Ended up not being as good as the male goalies in the minor leagues, so didn't make the cut to get to the NHL.
  It's just one of those things where reality doesn't conform to what we want it to be from a political standpoint. Women's leagues exist (and should continue to exist) because if they didn't women wouldn't get to play sports. There's always thousands of men that are stronger and faster than the strongest and fastest woman. It sucks, but it's how it is.
  People watch the NBA over the WNBA because they want to be the very best at the sport. It's not a segregation rule that prevents women from playing in the NBA, it's just that there aren't any women that make the cut. Same goes for most sports.
  But in the end it isn't really a requirement to be the best at a sport to deserve equal rights. Sports are sports and it's not really that important that there aren't any women that make the cut at the top level of play. There's more important things to worry about.
  
  Why would it result in zero women playing? I’m not suggesting you merge the women’s teams with the open team.
  But have it so your women’s teams performance counts just as much as the men’s.
  Two teams (men’s and women’s), each playing against their own gender, scoring points in one league.
  No point paying your dudes millions per season to get the best players if your women’s team sucks and loses every game.
  Get teams and fans an incentive to invest and in both genders by playing for the same trophy.

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