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Biden invites Trump to work together to lobby Congress on an immigration bill as both candidates visit border

www.nbcnews.com Biden invites Trump to work together to lobby Congress on an immigration bill as both candidates visit border

The president also criticized congressional Republicans, saying they needed to “show a little spine” and take up a bipartisan border agreement in the Senate.

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Biden invites Trump to work together to lobby Congress on an immigration bill as both candidates visit border

www.nbcnews.com /politics/2024-election/trump-biden-collide-split-screen-trips-border-immigration-spotlight-rcna140899

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Pretty clear neither of these imperialists give a fuck about the people, and only care about its effects on the election. Reps make a big deal out of nothing to use against dems, and dems concede to them.
Just the usual ratchet effect
- Go back and look at the '90s. Conservative Democrats are practically progressives by comparison.
  
  90s Democrats gave us the Telecommunications Act of 1996, and they had previously agreed that yes, conservatives need a bigger voice in media and government. They literally laid the groundwork for fascism, like handing Hitler his PA system
- Wait isn’t the stop in this diagram set up so that the ratchet will loosen?
  It seems that the nut will only move to the left. All the spinning on the right will just be a bunch of loud clatter but it’s barely gonna nudge the nut. All it’s gonna do is give the hand more room to turn the nut to the left.
  I don’t think this diagram conveys what you want it to.
- How are democrats blocking movement back left? Unless it’s refusing to play dirty, like freezing out a Supreme Court nominee for almost a year, or passing knowingly constitutionally dubious laws to let the courts essentially legislate from the bench, I just don’t see it that way at all.
  
  They keep actually leftist politicians out of the race by not having real primaries, instead selecting milquetoast right-of-center candidates that manage to lose against current republicans.
  
  Sanders 2020!
  
  Biden wants to massively increase ICE's budget. Most folks on the left would rather ICE not exist at all.
  
  It's not even refusing to play dirty. Liberals haven't had all 3, POTUS, Senate, and House, at the same time in my lifetime.
  They were within a couple seats in Biden's first 2 years. Manchin and Sinema gave Democrats a majority, but they still didn't have a liberal majority. And with the extremely politicized SCOTUS, there are major limits to what liberals can accomplish.
  Not only that, but conservative propaganda works really well. It's not even always policy. Identity politics are actively working against Democrats. So when something that is policy like immigration gets national attention, Democrats cannot afford to ignore it. If they do, THEY WILL LOSE to the people who are radicals.
  
  You know what's easy though?
  Not bypassing congress to sell arms to a country specifically for genocide. (Biden and Israel)
  Democrats will break rules / norms, it's just almost never for causes that help people.
  He could have simply not done anything, and it would have been better.
  If "Don't go out of your way to support genocide." is asking too much, then don't be surprised when people aren't excited to vote for your candidate.
  
  I agree his attachment to Israel is fucked up. I don't like it. It might cost him the election. He helped with the pause and hostage negotiation and pressed for a ceasefire and that's about it. I know Trump would be worse, but that's not a lot of solace.
  Biden has pressed a lot of student debt forgiveness. And it seems like he pushes a new loophole every day. They have fought like hell to keep abortions legal (travel, medication, etc). They replaced a Breyer to keep the court from becoming even more radicalized. They have pushed against the Texas shit like their death traps and state law enforcement. Pushing the boundaries of what is allowed in the Budget Reconciliation.
  That along with my civil rights being actively attacked by the GOP makes me eager to vote for Biden. And if we ever want abortion rights back in all states, we need a LIBERAL majority everywhere, not just a Democratic majority.
  I think he has done a lot by pushing the boundaries. It's just not sexy to talk about because it's not hurting people.
  
  Student debt has only been folks who should already have received forgiveness. He's not doing shit for most borrowers.
  He's blocking ceasefire resolutions at the UN.
  He has a conservative Republican for an AG.
  I mean, he's milquetoast at best. Most progressive in decades ain't shit when they're all right wing.
  
  So you are less than 14 years old?
  2009-2011, they had all 4, POTUS, Senate (59 seats), House and SCOTUS.
  Seriously learn some damn history. And it's extremely disingenious to claim that the Dems didn't have all 3 from 2021-2023.
  Further the last time the GOP has had all 3 was in 2007. Yet, somehow they manage to get their agenda through.
  
  I'm 34.
  I said liberals not Dems.
  I said liberals not Dems.
  And learn some damn history yourself. Trump replaced 2 liberal justices which only requires POTUS and Senate. And we learned under Trump that it's much, MUCH easier to hurt people than to help people. Thanks everyone who refused to vote for Hillary. You did this.
  You want change? Vote more liberals in. Don't want change? Keep removed.
  
  Yet again, with the disingenious bullshit.
  Liberals = Dems
  And learn some damn history yourself. Trump replaced 2 liberal justices which only requires POTUS and Senate. And we learned under Trump that it’s much, MUCH easier to hurt people than to help people. Thanks everyone who refused to vote for Hillary. You did this.
  You just proved my point, dude. Look you don't need all three branches to actual produce results for your base. The Dems don't produce the results we want because they do not want to not because they're powerless.
  
  I assume his point is that calling Manchin or Sinema "liberal" isn't super accurate.
  
  Liberals = Dems
  If you think that, you probably shouldn't talk politics. And it's probably not worth the time to talk politics with you.
  
  I've got bad news for you. The democrats are indeed liberals, and so are the Republicans. Perhaps it's you who doesn't understand politics?
  
  You should probably learn political terms before telling people not to talk politics. Liberalism as defined by Oxford.
  
  Oh neat. Here's the definition of political by Oxford.
  
  Democrats have made it a point to block or stifle any leftist candidates and progressive ideals. They constantly capitulate to the right while telling the left (i.e. Eisenhower Republicans) to fuck off. Adam Schiff's bid to block Katie Porter from a Senate seat is the most recent example of this. They were stunned when Hillary lost to Obama, and furious when Biden was challenged by Sanders. They have ALWAYS backed conservative candidates over even centrist ones, and only propose popular bills when they know they can't pass them. There will never be a challenge to Citizens United because they benefit directly from it, and the SCOTUS gives them an excuse to never challenge. They refused to codify Roe when they KNEW it would be overturned because they still think it's a cash cow. They will give every excuse imaginable for inaction but never a plan for action.

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