You Don't Fix Anything By Getting Rid of Democracy and Transparency
It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.
"And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion?"
-db0
(Emphasis mine)
(IDK why I'm continuing at this point, I'll probably stop after this in case you want the last word. Both sides of the argument have had plenty of airing, and yes I think the modlogs 100% speak for themselves)
I think the modlogs 100% speak for themselves
It all goes down to the drag issue in the end.
Either you think neopronouns are a right (Blahaj, dbzer0) and cannot be removed under any pretext.
Either you think neopronouns can be considered trolling under certain circumstances (LW apparently?)
By the way, you said in a previous comment (https://quokk.au/comment/661634)
Pretending that being trans is equivalent to being a dragon (along with things like encouraging other users to self-harm, because of course this person did, because they are a troll and trying to be cruel to trans people) was the issue.
Drag got banned when drag encouraged people to self harm. The neopronoun thing was a separate matter (see above)
Exactly this. Xenopronouns are just as valid as any other pronoun. PJ and Philip seem to be mostly ok with "traditional" (lol) trans pronouns like "xir/xe" or "they/them" so they think they are good trans allies. But they are only allies to certain types of "mainstream" trans folks. Because everything has to be mainstream before a Democrat will ever consider supporting it, in my experience. The moment the pronouns get "too weird" they all start freaking out. Xenopronouns? Forget about it! I've even seen it argued that xenopronouns are anti-trans (somehow)? Who knows, but it seems there's a bunch of LW folks who seem to be that its fine to hate on folks who use them.
"But I don't hate trans people, I just hate trans people who use the words I find gross" - transphobia.world
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NOW YOU'VE DONE IT
Kidding.
On the substance, I'm just going to refer you to my previous answer, in which I pointed out that me reiterating how precisely I don't agree with what you just said will accomplish nothing at all (and, apparently, it did not.)
The only thing I will add is that the troll was not banned when they encouraged people to self harm. Ada actively refused to ban them for that, and then later, when they shared personal correspondence of Ada's without permission, that was a sin sufficient to justify a ban.
Citation: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23453948/13537569, search for "sharing of private messages".
I cannot believe you are continuing to succeed in getting me to argue about this topic.
I edited the pronoun.
Thanks for the citation.
Even if Ada made a mistake (not banning drag soon enough), the conclusion is still the same: the decision of dbzer0 to keep that stance (neopronouns aren't debatable) is theirs, and if you willingly start to attack that stance, you're going to get actioned upon.
On top of that SoftestSaphic seems to be incorrect
Most of what you are saying is a lie? No one was saying the attack helicopter or litterbox stuff, nor were we defending trolls. What we said is use neopronouns when requested, and report trolls as usual. Refer to people as they ask or ignore them, don’t feed trolls if you think someone is a troll.
People kept engaging with the trolls rather than doing what we asked.
Honestly, people have no idea how to engage with trolling these days (don’t).
Dude I am blocking you. Continuing to pretend that neopronouns are the issue, and a perfect shield for anything dbzer0 wants to do, when they never were and it was instead things like trolling the whole concept of transgenderism and encouraging other users to suicide that was the issue, when no one copping these bans was refusing to use anyone's pronoun neo- or otherwise at any point that I'm aware of, is just pissing me off, and I already addressed it not just once but several times, directly to you, and brought your awareness to the fact that you didn't seem to be picking up on it.
I'm taking your advice. Talk to someone else. Honestly, it's rare that I get actually irritated when talking to someone on the internet, so congratulations. Go back and reread my earlier messages, if you start to feel that you need to hear any more of my opinion on this.
I am blocking you
me too, please
Did you do something? The name is familiar but I don't remember specifics... whatever, I guess get in a long pointless argument with me and I'm sure it'll come to me.
I just want to be blocked
IDK why I’m continuing at this point [...]
I was wondering the same thing tbh. Ciao.