'Call This What It Is—Theft': Republicans Approve Largest Medicaid, SNAP Cuts in US History
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This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Oh sure, my blue county would have certainly flipped the entire rest of the red state with my singular vote. If only Democrats had inspired me to believe in them, you wouldn’t have me as your scapegoat, even though not a single thing would change.
inspired
Thank you for admitting there was no logic. You want your feelings pandered to.
Move the goalposts much?
Seeing as this is a reply to OP (a top comment), your reply makes zero sense. It literally can't be moving the goalposts. Just shows how you're squirming to get out of the repercussions of protest non voting. Which ironically is exactly the thought process that got you into protest non voting in the first place.
You can keep doing gymnastics. Ciao.
This is what nominating the lesser-evil got us.
As a party, the Dems suck. Absolutely. And in the long-term, as an opposition party, they are not great.
That being said, are the non-voters and protest non-voters children? The nonsense I'm reading about non-voters not being "inspired" or not being "captured" by Democrats to convince them to vote against fascism sounds like a description of a salesman trying to sell products, not the either-or choice being given to every adult American, which is, as a citizen, their own goddamn responsibility to be party to.
A non-vote is still a vote. You don't absolve yourself of the outcome by choosing not to participate, because if you can vote, you're already participating.
There were three real options this past election: MAGA, Dems, and I-don't-care-they're-equally-bad. So yes, not voting when fascists win means you supported fascism.
Obviously that does not mean non-voters are solely to blame. Republicans accepted fascists, those that voted R chose fascists, Dems suck as a party, and non-voters sat back and allowed fascists to take power. On the list, non-voters are the least bad, certainly, but they still bear responsibility.
You still don't understand.
Arguing with me isn't going to change anything. You should be arguing with the people that nominate establishment candidates.
Go ahead, blame me all you want; I genuinely don't care. If you want me to get out and vote, then your neo-liberal, lesser-evil buddies need to be the ones who 'fall in line.'
Every effort you spend in trying to get me to support establishment candidates is futile.
Lol this is not the flex that you think it is. This just shows the Dems that the left voter will never vote. So there is no reason to cater to them. And history plays this out, every time the Dems rely on the left voter, they don't show up. At this point you'd be an absolute fool to cater to or rely on the left. The real futility here is ever thinking the left will ever show up, so what's the point.
So pat yourself on the back on helping to move the overton window to the right. Yes you. Every single time you protest no vote.
Ok I really have to bow out of talking to you. Like you said it's futile. PS look up what neoliberal means.
This just shows the Dems that the left voter will never vote.
Sorry, I stopped reading after this. You're clueless.
Gonna ignore you now. Have fun wasting your efforts doing the same thing expecting different results.
Bro, shut up, you’re obviously a Trump supporter trying to disguise yourself if some sort of centrist get out of here
You're wrong.
You’re right😩😩😩
Ah the 'lesser evil' nonsense to make it sound like "b b b b b both sides same!"
Neo-liberals become conservatives when their wealth is threatened.
It's a two-pronged strategy that you're supporting right now.
If more of you people directed your grievances towards the greedy scumbags that keep nominating establishment candidates, then we wouldn't have this issue.
I don't expect you to do that, though.
Followed up by demonstrating you don't know what neoliberal means. Ciao.
Damn, really sounds like some sort of political party should have tried to capture voters interest instead of pushing the status quo that has been suffocating folks for their whole life.
This shit is so fucking lazy.
Biden enacted plenty of progressive asks during his term. Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.
Just because it wasn't 100% of what YOU personally wanted doesn't mean it wasn't good legislation.
Hope none of your family dies because of this, because if they do it's on you, mr protest voter.
The percentage of people who don't vote hasn't changed much in 100 years. Call them lazy, uneducated, apathetic, etc, it makes no difference. They don't vote and that's all there is to be said about it. If you're waiting around for them to start voting for your preferred candidate you're going to be waiting for the rest of your life. Stop talking about them and start making other plans.
The difference in non-voters between 2020 and 2024 was enough to swing the election.
And it swung the 2020 election. Biden still holds the record for the most votes of any president ever, Trump was number 2 for the most votes ever in that same election.
You cannot swing for the center and hope to flip some republicans. They vote on a single issue, and that issue is usually, "who will hurt the people I hate most". They like to play it off as "Fiscally republican" or some other shit, but it's all lies and falls apart if you pull on the threads of their reasoning.
Yeah maybe its the job of the politicians to go out and get peoples votes and listen to what they're concerned about rather than just sitting there saying well you have to vote for us cuz that guys worse
If you're so entitled you need to be personally courted to stand up against fascism then Idk what to tell you.
They ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich. Their sitting president was one of, if not the most, progressive president in our lifetimes with a strong economic recovery record. They even listened when their base told them Biden was too old and gave them a younger candidate.
Just admit that the dumbfucks that voted 3rd party or didn't vote were single issue losers who couldn't see the forest for the trees and now we have fascism in America.
Like another plan like move out of the country to somewhere smart ?
so only non voters and MAGATS are left behind to shoot them selves in the foot
I think they are already doing that.
There is plenty of discussion how this last election people didn't move rightwards, they moved couchwards. The absolute numbers voting for president went down substantially. I bet a good number of those were protest non voters.
Biden? Progressive? lol that's funny
The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters. That's a lot more that just one guy you are responding to
Biden? Progressive? lol that’s funny
Can I give you a pro life tip?
Let people wonder whether you're dumb or not. Don't prove to them that you are.
Biden was one of, if not the most progressive president, in our lifetimes. That is a FACT.
But of course you don't know that.
The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters.
By running on universal healthcare and taxing the rich? No, Republicans ran the most effective propaganda campaign in the history of this country (with the help of Russian disinformation) and it worked, because Americans are braindead stupid.
They were quite literally funding a genocide and then somehow thought pointing out [the very real] fascist intent of the Republican plans would play in their favor.
Edit: it seems none of you have understood my point.
You mean this? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/republican-congressperson-wants-to-nuke-gaza-into-surrender/ar-AA1FiCdJ Sorry that's the GOP.
At no point did I say Republicans were not also backing genocide. Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so, to give people an actual choice on that issue.
I understand you prefer binary arguments where saying one bad thing about someone automatically means the opponent has to be good on that topic, but the world doesn't work like that.
Dude they want to nuke Gaza, while Biden was pushing for peace. But to you it's all the same and "b b b b both sides same". This is why you project "you prefer binary arguments". Ciao.
It's amazing how garbage your reading comprehension can be and you still think you have an argument.
I know Republicans are worse. I'm saying Biden did a weak as fuck job pushing for peace which exasperated the already present voter apathy. Continuing to repeat yourself while missing the entire point of what I'm saying does not make you look any less fucking stupid for missing it.
They literally refuse to admit that an entire apparatus of a party wanting something, and then a handful of members wanting something of another party are not the same.
Then they have the gall to complain that the democrats didn't personally promise them a pony and a unicorn so they didn't vote.
Maybe not actively assisting in a genocide = wanting a personal pony
Now, apparently. Like, that bar is literally on the floor, and you're making excuses why they couldn't meet that challenge
Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so
Like, do you not grasp that international relations is a thing?
Do you not fathom that when an important ally, the most important in the Middle East, ramps up a conflict they've had with another nation for our entire lives, that it's not exactly a simple subject? That you can't just say "Welp, you're being mean to someone else, so fuck you our relationship is over"?
Biden repeatedly spoke out against Netanyahu's tactics. He started threatening to hold up arms shipments and impose sanctions. These are the proper steps to take before resorting to losing one of your most important allies.
Then Americans chose fascism and now the situation is much worse.
Ah yes, we're going to downplay systemic genocide as "being mean" now? To make this seem like a simple, laughable little faux pas. What a piece of shit you are.
The proper steps to stopping that shit is not go : " no, please....stop...." And continue shoveling those weapons to them, actively enabling the behavior we want to stop.
Israel was trying to drag us into a war with Iran as well, attacking them hoping they could hide behind the US. For two years. No change in weapon shipments. Clearly he did a bad fucking job. Whining about it being complicated doesn't unfuck up the job he did.
Oh no! Its not like the dems didnt drop the equivalent of 5 nuclear bombs on gaza anyway....
Lol super weird attempt at "b b b both sides same".
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Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.
She also outlined a move to the right and lied about working super hard for a ceasefire
So tired of people pretending the Dems weren't a horrific choice in 24, likely on purpose to give repubs their turn
You have 2 fucking choices. Sitting out means you have no right to complain, because you supported the worst side.
Sitting out means you have no right to complain
Always authoritarian bullshit from you people, pathetic
If you don't vote, your opinion is worthless. You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?
A lack of vote is a valid choice in the system, if it wasn't then it wouldn't be allowed.
You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?
So that they can get your vote next time, should they actually want to win? What kind of moronic question is that, are you guys actually as stupid as it seems the Dems are at understanding basic shit?
So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24
Yeah, way worse than literal fascism.
likely on purpose to give repubs their turn
Lol. Do you still wear your clown nose when you're at home alone? 🤡
Funny how Biden brought up price gouging but then never acted on it
Funny how they brought up corporations buying elections and then never acted on it.
Funny how they could have enshrined abortion or medicaid into law and decided not to because they couldn't even get their own house together to vote for it because they're all paid for by corporations and Israel.
Funny how they couldn't do the basic moral thing and not finance fully a genocide.
Funny how they didnt reach across to any left leaning voters but instead paraded around a family of genocidaires. Funny how they kept leaping to the right instead of even trying to stay as a democratic party.
Funny how they've rigged their own elections since Obama in 08.
Funny how you have no citations but still spread misinformation around.
Here are some facts with citations :
More drugs are coming from the US to Canada. Not the other way around.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-complaints-drugs-guns-border-1.7457605
Because Joe "nothing would fundamentally change" Biden was so progressive.
Hope none of your family died in the years before Trump like the hundreds of thousands of others who die each year from easily fixable causes but weren't because they lived in status quo America.
Quick question, do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
How many billions of dollars in student loan debt did Biden cancel? How much more would have been cancelled if the supreme court didn't act in a blatantly partisan manner?
Yeah, I do hold them responsible. Shumer shouldn't be in leadership and AOC should be on every high profile committee there is.
Not voting solves nothing. You know how you get more progressive legislation passed? By voting for the party that has progressives in it. That's how. More democrats means more people like AOC. It doesn't fucking matter if your personal rep is a god damned blue dog if it means there's one less republican in congress.
How many billions in student loan debt did Biden create by helping establish the predatory student-loan system as it currently exists?
Oh so a person helps fix a problem they were part of, and for you that's not enough.
God you people are so tiring.
"Oh so a person helps fix a problem they were part of, and for you that’s not enough."
Um, no? Is that supposed to be satire?
--Hypothetically, If your dog vomits on the floor and eats a small part of that vomit before looking at you for approval, do you praise them for partially cleaning up the mess they made?
What the fuck are you talking about lol
Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.
Are you stupid? His legislation was VERY progressive. Guy was even the first president IN HISTORY to forgive student loans and to stand on a picket line with striking workers.
do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?
Yes, but not even close to as responsible as I hold American voters for failing their civic duty.
Not "Biden's Genocide". Israel was bombing Gaza before we sent a DIME of aid and they will continue with or without us until someone forces them to stop.
If you are going to spread propaganda with no citation; I’m spreading fact WITH citation regarding the truth of what the MAGA are hiding and trying to distract from:
The average American spends way more in prescriptions vs other countries
Source?
I'll take "Clown Takes" for $500, Alex.
Enjoy that moral superiority when ICE comes and takes you away.
Biden butchered children by the tens of thousands. I want to fucking die because I voted for that monster.
Huh, I had no idea Biden was Prime Minister of Israel. I'd always heard it was that Netanyahu guy.
...he gave him the weapons. And kept giving them after knowing what was happening...
And now thankfully Trump has stopped the genocide, oh wait he accelerated it.
With Kamala there was a chance things would have changed. The dems were at least applying pressure to Israel to find a resolution. I have plenty of criticisms and am pissed we spent tax dollars arming Israel.
However, now our government is enthusiastically supporting the elimination of Gaza. So yeah that didn't pan out
My point was maybe Democrats could have differentiated themselves a bit better by NOT BACKING A GENOCIDE like the Republicans were very willing to do.
People stayed home because the choice between some genocide and genocide isn't a compelling one. But democratic leadership is bought and paid for by AIPAC
Who wanted a ceasefire? Harris.
Who wants to nuke Gaza. Republicans.
You: They're both the same, I'm gonna stand in the corner and not stop the nuking of Gaza.
So did Biden. But saying you want something and actively avoiding doing anything to facilitate that is not an inspiring thing to really behind.
Nowhere did I say they were the same. Holy shit, none of you can fucking read. I'm saying the appearance of really bad and still bad contributes to voter apathy.
My point was maybe Democrats could have differentiated themselves a bit better by NOT BACKING A GENOCIDE like the Republicans were very willing to do.
Maybe Americans had a responsibility to prevent fascists who were very open about their fascism from taking total control of our government and accelerating the genocide in Gaza.
Nah, let's place all the blame on Democrats instead of Americans. It's easier.
Maybe Democrats have a responsibility not be actively helping this fascist takeover happen? Surely someone seeking votes shouldn't be irresponsible enough to completely ignore what their potential constituents want and only listen to their corporate donors, right?
But let's blame the victims instead of the ruling class, that's easier.
Sure, Israel was also a long time ally who suffered a brutal terrorist attack in October. Maybe geopolitics is more complex than "Biden is commiting a genocide!!1!".
Before you get too out to touch, I'll say that any aid to Israel should have been conditional, and we should have stationed Americans relief workers in refugee camps and safe zones to stop Israel from indiscriminately bombing them.
They made up half the shit about that terrorist attack. To justify their ongoing genocide.
No one fucking said Biden did it. He was enabling. It's studying how badly your reading comprehension has served you across two very different topics this week.
And I'm the end you giving agreed with me while still trying to act like I'm wrong about anything.
Not that Israel has shied away from murdering any foreign nationals in the area, either. Way more miles journalists than the entire Russian invasion, in half the time. It's clear they're actively targeting them and aid workers at this point.
No one fucking said Biden did it. He was enabling. It’s studying how badly your reading comprehension has served you across two very different topics this week.
And I’m the end you giving agreed with me while still trying to act like I’m wrong about anything.
Yes. I don't have to knee-jerk disagree with people, and I can agree with some parts of an argument, but not others. It's called nuance.
They made up half the shit about that terrorist attack. To justify their ongoing genocide.
Can you source that? From what I recall, they (Hamas) had armed militants attack civilians venues, killing non-combatants and taking civilians as prisoners.
lol the weird Facebook propaganda gets weirder by the day.
Oh well, since you’re spreading propaganda: I’m gonna counter with facts that US MAGA are hiding from the general public :
Because Canada hasn’t made abortion illegal: it has had lower rates of abortion among population comparison
https://www.arcc-cdac.ca/media/position-papers/54-US-Canada-Abortion-Law-Policy.pdf
Go back to Reddit.
Do... Do you think I'm pro-US?
I hate this demon shit hole country.
Clearly I'm a Russian agent sent to sow dissent on this underwater basket weaving forum. 🙄
Please tell me how Trump is any measure in comparison to Biden, go ahead, I’ll wait, you’re so full of shit. It’s leaking out your ears.
Yeah, he personally turned 26487 children into various meat products for the whit house barbecue. He's a surprisingly good chef, though. Those spare ribs were the best I ever had.
He personally ensured Israel had the bombs and international legal protection necessary to murder all those children. He did everything he could to guarantee those children died in twisted shieking agony. In fact, many of them did burn to death and he his personally responsible for cooking them alive.
Let me put it this way: I don't feel like I deserve to live anymore for my role in the genocide.
Do you feel innocent?
Do you feel innocent?
Yes. Because our 2 options were a fascist, and a Liberal. Liberals may suck, but they can be worked with, and reasoned with. Fascists don't have that perk.
Liberals are just fascists with better PR. They absolutely cannot be reasoned with, as evidenced by the democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans. No reasoning has managed to convince that party that Palestine deserves to exist.
Just admit what you really mean:
"The democrats may be just as genocidal outside of our country, but at least they're not genociding inside our country like the republicans would".
Or, put simply, "the democrats are evil in a way that doesn't impact me".
Liberals are just fascists with better PR.
Can you type more stupid clown comments so I can put them on my Wall of Stupid Clown Comments?
democrats being exactly as complicit in the genocide as the republicans
Weird. I remember Biden repeatedly expressing that he didn't like Netanyahu's tactics, then threatening to stop arms shipments and impose sanctions. I also remember Trump regularly fellating Netanyahu and saying he wants to kick Palestinians out to build a fucking resort.
Herp derp, both duh same.
but at least they’re not genociding inside our country like the republicans would”.
Yeah, I would actually very much prefer a party that doesn't genocide in our own country. That sounds way preferential than genocide in our country.
Of course it's preferable, but don't pretend like it's a good choice in any respect other than not literally being the worst
You're not very smart, are you?
Smart enough to not fall for such an obvious deflection, at any rate.
Well aren't you mentally insane.....dude go see a psychiatrist.
Do you dispute that the US armed Israel for their genocide?
Did I say otherwise? You fucking morons can't read eh?
So, what was so insane? Feeling guilty over contributing to it?
You're the whiniest drama queen I've come across so far on Lemmy.
"Queermunist", implying you are both queer and communist.
Mate you... you know you are the first group of people the turd wants to get rid of?
You deserve what's coming for you, because you are the one asking for it, so when they come for you (because, unless there's a very significant change, it's not an if but a when), remember that you voted for it.
Imagine telling a minority "you deserve to be killed by fascists because you didn't vote for my preferred candidate."
It's like they say! Scratch a liberal...
Imagine being part of a minority that a president has vowed to hunt and actively or passively help that president come to power so he can hunt you.
I live in a red state, my vote doesn't even fucking count in this shit hole country.
Don't be so modest, you're excited for me to get murdered for being disobedient. That's why you won't lift a finger to resist fascism. Voting is the limit of your participation in politics and you aren't going to be allowed to vote fascist away.
I won't be surprised when volunteer to be one of the camp guards because you think you can change the system from the inside.
I live in a red state, my vote doesn’t even fucking count in this shit hole country.
Loser attitude.
Don’t be so modest, you’re excited for me to get murdered for being disobedient.
Whiny bitch attitude.
That’s why you won’t lift a finger to resist fascism.
We voted against it, dipshit. Stop trying to goad others into taking physical action when you're too much of a pussy to do it yourself.
Stop typing. The more you type, the more of a fool you make yourself out to be.
I'm not even american. And every time I can vote, I do against fascism. Because if I have to choose between a literal nazi and someone who's imperfect but it's not a nazi, I kinda prefer to be governed by the one that's not a nazi.
And since we are talking about genocide: remember that the turd YOU helped putting in the white house is allowing the zionazi to run wild and even think of annexing Gaza (after "cleansing" it).
It's called self preservation and acknowledging that America's voting system is fundamentally flawed. You vote for harm reduction not perfection.
It's easier to fight against the genocide in Israel when you're not under a fascist government in your own country
I refuse to choose genocide for self preservation.
In fact, I kind of want to die just for my role as a passive participant in the genocide. I think about Aaron Bushnell a lot.
I refuse to choose genocide for self preservation.
Then you'll get fascism at home. And did.
I kind of want to die just for my role as a passive participant in the genocide.
You sound like kind of a fool.
So by not wanting to be complicit in one genocide you allowed fascism to rise and now are unwilling complicit in more crimes against humanity.
Harm reduction is a simple concept
Imagine telling someone you're fine with queer people being killed at home, because you're so entitled that you sat out to defend those people.
Did I say I was fine with this? I just believe we can do things other than wait for the next election to stop it from happening. Get organized, get a gun, and get ready.
Are you going to act? Or are you going to sit on your ass and wait for another election that is never going to come?
Because if you're waiting for the next election to stop fascism you are going to lose.
There's this nice little thing called OPSEC and talking about such things just makes you a target.
Talking about what? Owning a gun is a right! I certainly would never use it for anything other than paper target shooting on a gun range.
That's all paper ballots are good for - target practice.
But it's not bad opsec to tell people to buy guns. That's just sensible. The people without guns are the ones that are targeted first .
It’s like they say! Scratch a liberal…
It's not like "they" say. It's what idiots say.
Take your clown nonsense elsewhere, clown. 🤡
Are you trying to tell me that pushing to re-elect a guy who was falling apart at the seams and currently has advanced cancer, who previously won by virtue of the other guy's approval rating being in the toilet... then replacing him with someone who would have been completely blown out in a primary at the last minute so she couldn't even mount a good campaign who then got hobbled by her PR team into not mounting any sort of attacks of any meaningful value... are you trying to tell me that they did something wrong???
Are you trying to tell me that pushing to re-elect a guy who was falling apart at the seams and currently has advanced cancer, who previously won by virtue of the other guy’s approval rating being in the toilet
All of these things are better than a felon rapist traitor who is flagrantly disregarding the Constitution. Keep in mind that when you vote for a candidate, you aren't just voting for them, you are voting for their party to have power as well.
then replacing him with someone who would have been completely blown out in a primary at the last minute
It's literally what their constituents asked for. They kept complaining that Biden was too old and it would cost him the election. So they gave their constituents a younger candidate. There was not time for a primary.
But none of this matters. It was non-fascists vs fascists and it was pretty fucking obvious and Americans failed that open book test.
So, between someone who doesn't allign 100% with my views and it's not a nazi and an actual nazi, much better to choose the nazi, right? I mean, I guess it's your vote so you can do as you please with it, but I reaaaaaally hope you don't get any of what's coming for you, because you know... you voted for all this so there is no empathy left in me for someone who's getting what they asked for.
there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for
Is that really something you think anyone here will care about? whether you "have empathy" for them? You have a wildly overinflated ego buddy. Have empathy, dont have it-- it doesnt matter to anyone. But if you could be less tedious and noisy we'd all appreciate that. Why dont you try that angle? Threaten to be yourself unless we do what you want.
"you have a wildly inflated ego, buddy"
writes dissertation on why they don't care, because their opinion is the one that matters
3 whole lines is a "dissertation" to you huh.
Still not caring, huh?
Salty, much?
Lately all the time, man. Its been a really disappointing bunch of years-- I think for most people I know. We are clearly not the people I was raised to think we were.
Dear non voters: You’re hurting no one but yourselves.
So I dunno who you thought you were threatening. But You’re dumb.
And if they don't, let's be sure to actively allow much worse people to take over, that's sooooo much better.
"Democrats aren't perfect. Let's allow the fascists to win."
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And here you are making sure it will happen again.
I really just wanna point out that this person didn’t say anything other than criticize the Democratic Party for ineffectually marketing their ideas. If you hire a marketing company to advertise your product and their campaign spectacularly fails even though your product is obviously much better for consumers than everything else, would you be mad at the consumers for not understanding how your technology works or would you be mad at the marketing company for doing a very bad job at convincing the public of your very obviously much better solution?
This isn't buying an air fryer.
This is politics.
It is every American's civic duty to inform themselves responsibly and not rely on a political party to formulate their reality for them with TV ads.
Every American who did their civic duty and informed themselves responsibly voted for the party that wasn't promising fascism.
Do you think that the more important the product is the less responsibility the marketing company has? Like if you’re trying to sell democracy instead of an air fryer, do you think that means that the marketing company for some reason should be held to a lower standard? Because I don’t know about you, but I think it should be easier to convince people of democracy than to buy an air fryer. So if your marketing company can’t even do that…
People need to know the scientific method and they need to do actual factual research on their own before spouting off online about stuff they knownothing about
I’m just wondering, but do you think that a political party that is literally apparently unable to convince enough people to vote against a literal fascist sounds like they understand politics very well either?
Apathy grows in America every day and it is by far and above a corporate move to make everybody not give a shit about anything so yeah, I blame Corporate America versus the actual Democratic Party. If everybody who didn’t vote voted for Kamala, we wouldn’t be in this mess. I also take issue with everything political being turned into political meme, thereby robbing it of its actual importance
Like do you see how this is kind of like refusing to be angry at a fire department that just stood in front of your house while it burned down because technically they weren’t the ones that started the fire and then getting angry at people who are getting angry at the fire department on your behalf because you’re wondering why they’re not angry at arsonists instead? Have you considered that like you can be angry at a lot of different people all at the same time for a lot of good reasons and that being angry at a corporation though isn’t going to change anything but being angry at the Democrats might change the Democrats, so long people don’t literally resist trying to improve the Democratic Party and make it more effective at convincing people to vote against fascism
Yeah, but the corporations fund the Democrats so I will start at the top no thank you and rally against them. All I want.
I’m not telling you to not do that, and I think you should. It’s important. I just am trying to get you to realize that the person you’ve been responding to is not actually standing in your way at all, and in fact you seem to have at this point acknowledge what they’re saying, which is that the Democrats have constantly failed to successfully play the political game and all this person is saying is maybe we should demand more of them. But for some reason, even just saying that gets everyone to accuse you of a lot of horrible things even though literally all you want is for the people who are supposed to protect you to do a better job.
You’ve changed my mind, thank you for taking the time, I appreciate you
convincing people to vote against fascism
If Americans have to be convinced to vote against fascism, then the majority of the fault lies on Americans, not the Democrat party.
The Democrat party absolutely could have run a better campaign, but you're literally arguing that political parties have to convince Americans to vote against fascism. And you don't think the majority of the fault lies with American voters?
And you don’t think the majority of the fault lies with American voters?
I don’t know, did I actually say that anywhere or are you just assuming this?
What I think is that it’s extremely emotional and self-centered to be more interested in assigning blame than on figuring out where we can most effectively put pressure to actually make change happen.
If everybody who didn’t vote voted for Kamala...
The same could be said about third-parties with better policy plans winning their first election.
Yeah, maybe those 3rd party's first election wins should be in local/state elections instead of a presidential election, which they literally cannot win.
"which they literally cannot win."
How so? With all non-voters committed to a third party candidate, that would put the the popular vote and effectively all of the necessary delegates in that candidates pocket.
It sounds like you should heed your own advice.
Oh shit, you got me with the Uno reverse I’m in shambles🥳🥳🥳🥳
Willingly. We collectively deserve it.
You're disgusting, you're okay with genocide as long as you get your comforts. We protested evil then, and we protest evil now. You only protest inconvenience.
You can stop parroting propaganda now, the elections over.
That genocide you are referring to has only gotten worse under this regime, not sure why you are patting yourself on the back so hard for retaining your moral high ground while fucking over our nation too.
Kinda fuck you honestly.
You didn't protest evil, you stepped aside and said, "I'm ok if the world gets more evil". Your "protest" did nothing to stop or reduce the genocide, it's gotten worse. You've made it less safe for people who actually want to protest the genocide. Your only action was that you feel moral superiority in your own mind.
Yep. Now protesters are being deported. I believe that everyone who sat this out over that issue has blood on their hands and I don’t care if it hurts their feelings to hear it.
We went from having a chance to having no chance.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy0ngd11yzo.amp
Their inaction isn’t entirely the reason, but a lot more people are going to be suffering than otherwise would have, all around the world.
The cuts to medical aid around the world, children going hungry, etc. Who knows, we might even get another pandemic. Wouldn’t that be rad?!
And you’re goddamn right. They ate propaganda and now get to feel good about doing nothing in their own minds.
You are not the fucking moral high ground. If this were a trolley problem, you've elected to kill five people instead of one. Even if the American left wasn't going to move on the issue, the situation would not have been nearly as genocidal. For Ukraine, for Trans and GNC, for the homeless.
Absolutely, unequivocally, and without remorse: Go fuck yourself with a rusty crowbar.
If this were a trolley problem, you've elected to kill five people instead of one
Correct. The problem is that you're not hearing the setup, or you don't care, which solidifies my decision.
The trolley was coming to kill a million of our children. There were two other tracks, one was empty, and one just took an extra loop to hit you first.
And you monsters simply pulled the brakes off and ripped the third completely empty track off so the trolley had no chance of missing anyone. So I made sure it takes you too.
There's no moral high ground, I said we collectively deserve it, I accept my punishment for living in and supporting the genocidal empire. You deserve it for your apathy.
Either way, at least when the US empire collapses when Trump is done with it, it'll stop genociding nations and getting stupid responses like yours.
Scum like you makes this world a darker place because you use "the children" as an excuse to justify your immorality. If you wanted to kill yourself, you could have done it without taking the lives of so many innocents. Instead not only are you the proxy perpetrator of a different genocide, you've simply allowed the world to burn because of your hatred. You can't modify the trolley problem by just saying "uhhh there's ackshually three tracks and one is on a loop so fuck you" or come at me with "but you didn't hear the setup!!". There is no other setup you fucking buffoon. There was a simple binary choice and you chose wrong. You are a moron, through and through. You are the kind of person that makes me realize that actual democracy may have been a mistake, because idiots don't deserve to make decisions. WE don't "collectively" deserve shit because there is no WE. May your precious God have mercy on your soul in the next life, you dishonourable bastard.
Could argue that everyone who didnt give a fuck about genocide because it didnt directly affect them voted to kill 100,000 plus people.
Could argue that the same violence happening in Gaza, the same thought process, is exactly what's happening here. The violence committed 3000 miles away for decades under US rule is coming home to roost.
If Americans were so pissed off about trump they would be out in the streets protesting every single day. But they're too fat and lazy and dont know how to protect their rights. So if you want to sit there and be dickslapped by democrats pointing at Republicans and aaying they're bad while half of them vote alongside them at every single point, then ya good luck. You're not gonna go anywhere except further right. Get in an actual left leaning party with an actual.policy that isn't "keep the status quo that has failed consistently going" and you might have a chance to have a democracy again.
Get in an actual left leaning party
Maybe one should START WINNING LOCAL AND STATE ELECTIONS FIRST SO THEY CAN HAVE SOME FUCKING MEMBERS IN CONGRESS.
But yeah, let's join an effectively non-existent left leaning party with absolutely no clout because they can't even be bothered to focus what resources they have into taking the first realistic steps of winning local elections.
Protests only work on politicians who are beholden to the people.
Trump is only driven by grift. The people who support him are only driven by power.
The whole country could protest, and it wouldn't mean a thing to them.
We are protesting every day, but I believe we've surpassed any option for a peaceful return to government. Maybe... Just maybe if republicans lose every seat in the next 2 congressional elections...
Oh yeah, you really helped stop the genocide. How many thousands did Israel murder this week because there's literally no one in the White House or congress even remotely trying to stop them?
And that would have been different had the woman who lied about trying to get a ceasefire how?
Y'all wanna argue over Israel like that's a winning point for you when it isn't at all close
Because it's your only stance dipshit
Homie can't read and is a hopeless idiot, sad
Let me check homie's notes and context. Yes, I concur that you are indeed a dipshit.
Lol.
Arguing things would be just as bad for Palestine if Kamala had won when Trump regularly fellates Netanyahu and has said he wants to kick Palestinians out to make a resort.
You are giving off hardcore loser vibes.
Biden got several cease fires out of Israel. Until Kamala lost the election they were willing to stop the violence and at least fake a willingness to negotiate. That all stopped cold after election day though. Now they have nothing holding them back.
You've killed everyone in Gaza thanks to your hubris.
You've killed everyone in Gaza thanks to your hubris.
You don't know how I voted and have made yourself look stupid because of it, oof
Your focus on the second part and glazing of the first speaks volumes.
Dont really care what the previous genocidal old cunt did, as he barely did anything. Was more pointing out how much y'all focus on getting one over on someone rather than make sense
Preventing people from starving and dying in the streets isn't comforts.
you’re okay with genocide
Blah blah blah.
Move on to the next boring catchphrase please. This is getting old.
Herp derp, I care more about two nations continuing an everlasting religious conflict on the other side of the planet than fascism in my own country.
We get it. You're dumb. You don't need to keep proving it to us.
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I will never, ever understand that logic. You had a choice, you made the wrong decisions, now own it. The more you justify saying that somehow orange turd mcgee was a better option makes you look like such a damn fool. And yes you said it by your action of "protest voting". You had infinitely more opportunities to protest and affect change if Kamela was elected. Now all of your opportunities are actively being removed and the people you wanted to save are going to be exiled for a new golf course because a lot of you of "moral high ground" contributed to this bleak future. Good job.
I will never, ever understand that logic.
That's because there was no logic. Just emotions.
You had a choice, you made the wrong decisions, now own it.
The pro-genocide protest (non-)voters have bought into the propaganda so thoroughly that I'm doubting that they'll accept responsibility even on their deathbeds at this point. They didn't give a shit about anyone or anything but performative actions to stroke their own egos and telling themselves that they are morally superior. There was one the other day who even admitted that they put their own SO's life at risk but still see no fault in their actions and blame dems and strategic voters for their own choice to support making genocide worse.
Whether you believe in the ends justifying the means or the means justifying the end.. the world you helped create was granting power to evil, putting evil in charge.
You straight up chose the side of evil. Congrats on being on the wrong side of history.
Suck it up, honey, this is partially your fault. If you didn’t vote for Kamala, you can’t outspin this, Truth Hurts.
